US Congresswoman shot

Zidane wrote:Just a sad piece of information whilst Texpat reloads.....
Christina Taylor Green the 9 year old girl killed in the shooting was actually born on 9/11 and featured in a book-Faces of Hope,Babies Born on 9/11- about some of the children born on that day.

OMG, what has become of us!

DermotC wrote:OMG, what has become of us!

Isn't that the sad truth.

Fahlep Yai wrote:iewpoint that you need to resort to name calling, [/color] who did i call a name? what did i call them?
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Try this for size
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Roughly 8 years ago my brother was at his girlfriend's house. She was divorced and her ex-husband was a big guy (6'2" , 250 pds)with a mean jealous streak. Around 10pm they heard a loud crash come from the back of the house. My brother grabbed his gun (small calibre; .380 if my memory is correct) and within seconds was confronted by the ex-husband who had taken out a glass slider with an aluminum baseball bat. He told my brother he was going to kill him and his ex-wife and swung the bat at his head. My brother threw up his left arm in defense; he was lucky to not get a broken arm but it later swelled to about 3 times normal size. My brother backed down the hall all the while telling the intruder he didn't want to shoot him. The guy kept coming and was about to swing again when my brother shot him twice; once in the left belly area and once in the right belly area. The intruder went down and my brother told him not to get up or the next shot would be in the head. The police were called and hauled the guy away. This is an obvious case of a gun used in self defense to save a life and possibly two lives.

I've never asked him but I'm pretty sure my brother doesn't want to give up his gun.

I was on duty as a Paramedic in Tasmania, on April 28th 1996.

My pager went off in the ER room, ring Comms urgently - chopper job

My Ops Supervisor advised me of a multiple shooting incident at a location called " Port Arhur " and I was being sent to sort it out by chopper.

We were shot at in chopper , as we did our finals , aborted and came in a different way.

The scene was sureal - quiet and literlaly hundereds of people standing around like stunned mullets.

I conducted triage on over 40 people in the immediate vicinity , all with fatal , critical and stable conditions ( secondry wounds from bone fragmentations from dead victims )

Final patient count for that afternoon was 35 dead, and 22 live patients, all because some guy who legally owned a suite of weapons decided he was going to make a statement about his thinking etc.....

That day changed the way the Australian government dealt with previous poor and individual state laws on gun ownership

Hundreds of peoples lives have now been saved since then ( well reseached and published in this post ) , due to better and national regulated gun ownership laws.

Approx 2 weeks before Dunblane - UK had an incident similar incident

Not sure about 8 years ago, but certainly now you can get a stun-gun/taser, or serious pepper spray, etc. The cops are using them all the time nowadays. You could also think about, what if the guy was packing a shotgun when he broke in.
Nothing is every going to be perfect. But controlling or eliminating guns would definitely reduced the probability of the event that started this thread, and thousands of other deaths every year.

I just saw on the news that Arizona will allow the carrying of concealed weapons into a bar. As some Arizona county sheriff I just saw on the news said, Arizona has become like Tombstone. OK Coral anyone? Yee Haw

From what I can make out, the murderer, Jared Lee Loughner was a non muslim American nutter. He legally got a weapon to kill fellow unarmed Americans. He's a brave soul - isn't he ? same as the rest of the cowards that can't handle themselves.

OT.................

Bob said the the loss of life is "needless" Im not sure what to make of that. I have come to grips with the fact that people are occasionaly going to get shot by psycos. Are bicycle and swimming pool deaths "needless" or is that just what happens when you have seemingly stupid things that provide us smiles and comfort?
I provide no remedy to what happend to the Congresswoman and the others that were killed. I have no solution, it's just the work of a madman and I can't wish it away any more than I can wish myself taller. This guy will get the electric chair and im looking forward to it. I think events like this will unfortunatly happen again and again and I am willing to accept that. I'm more scared of the idea fairys that want to make sweeping changes following a sad event than I am of a gun in the hands of an occasional madman.

Read this article for a very balanced unemotional article on the relationaship between gun deaths and the availability of guns in the UK

www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/aug2007/ukgun_crime.html

Fahlep Yai wrote:when other Americans do not agree with your viewpoint that you need to resort to name calling, who did i call a name? what did i call them?

more than a week later. nothing. a certain accuser is lacking credibility. it was nice spin for your followers at the time though, mr. helm.

I didnt relise the Neuro surgeon who performed the crainiotomy on her was called 'Prayers "

http://www.news.com.au/world/prayer-sav ... 5992103482