US Health Care Plan

Ok but what coverage are we going to have here and will we have to pay for it.??????

I had health coverage from the job I retired from here, a portion paid for by the County, that's a good deal. It would not cover me here. So I'm not covered I canceled and purchased Medical Insurance here. County kept that money. Will it be the same again for us?

Infant Mortality rates, that not as big surprise with a many crack heads giving birth to children in America, there are 58 counties in California, each one had a General Hospital for people to go to if they could not pay. Anyone notice that California went broke?

I'm not against health care. But, one way or another it will be paid for. We need jobs, that has went so far down on the pecking order it's not even funny.

I can't speak to other states in America. But, California had a system in place.

So does anyone really know what is in the bill?

I don't and may have just purchased it. Let me say it again in a different way I don't know of any federal budget that didn't go over.

A friend just came over and had surgery at Baumreguard, he said he would have had to wait for five years under his National Health care program. he was Canadian, Now those were his words not mine. So what have we just been mandated to be paid for.

This didn't happen without pork, anyone know what it is, I don't.

Veterans were turned away from V.A. hospitals for years and that was something they earned. What this will really be is yet to be seen. We going to cover all the illegal aliens as well?

I won't argue the moral aspect of this a great idea, but it still has to be paid for. Do you really believe the rich will pay? The worker on the street will get a break, never have before.

In my mind this may be a good thing, but it's the wrong time, unemployment still over 10%. So you can go to the doctor, but you can't have decent food and for many a roof over their heads. The last thing on the agenda seem to be getting people back to work.

I have two daughter's both laid off, both with a child. So where do they go when the unemployment run's out.

Give us your tired ect, that meant a opportunity to pursue happiness no guarantee they would get it. I can only speak from my experience and make no claim to no other area. In California we had career welfare people. Why they could make more money have better benefits not working then getting a job. There is something terribly wrong with a system like that.

You want the health care cost to go down they answer was in Tort reform, so doctors could actually afford Mal practice in insurance. Regulate the makers of the wonder drugs. sit a cap that is fair on how much they can make for medicines they developed, paying for the research expenses, They deserve to profit on he their work. But, not forever. Or was that what Generic drugs came into o play?

Maybe the person who said the Senate would hammer this down to something realistic I hope so.

Where is this going to put the individual states, the feds were famous mandating the states to do something then never fund it.

There are to many unanswered questions in my mind to be supportive of this. Don't have much choice now. Wonder how long it will take before the legal issues are attacked. of a mandate like this. He did say he was going to make change he never said it would be logical or what would be best for the country. seems to me he has kept his promise.

I will keep an open mind to this. But, I would really like to know what it really is. I'm not so sure anyone does right now.

Nice stats, Jimbo, but even you know that an infant mortality rate has nothing to do with a sick child being denied care by a hospital and left to die, which was the dramatic unsubstantiated point being made by LDB.

Infant mortality can be due to just about anything, including poor pre-natal care, physical issues with the mother, etc. Specifically, the rate in the US is 6 deaths for every 1,000 births (0.006%) according to this chart/map: http://www.indexmundi.com/map/?v=29

And why is it always social progressives, who generally support abortion, who are so concerned about infant mortality rates? What's the difference whether you kill them between 3 and 9 months in the womb or within 12 months after birth?

I'm still waiting for LDB's list of infants left to die.

Point of clarification for those following the thread who may not be familiar with US history - especially the Civil Rights era and the political upheavel:

Skipping the details, which I encourage you to google for yourselves, racists and pro-segregationist lawmakers joined or defected to the Republican party en masse following Barry Goldwater's loss to Lyndon B. Johnson. During that election, which was after Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law, Goldwater carried the southern states (infamous for their plantations, institutionalized dehumanization of non-Whites, and other sicko behavior) but lost decisively just about everywhere else.

The Republican Party has been infested by such idealogues ever since. During the Bush Sr. and Clinton years, the party was evolving to include more moderate voices. However, during the G. W. Bush years and since, the party has again devolved into the hate-spewing mobs you see now. It's a last gasp effort for those misguided souls who felt and still feel America is anything other than what it is. The quote from Ellis Island's Lady Liberty posted previously is a very appropriate reminder.

So, when you encounter references to what the Republican party did for the country pre-Civil Rights, keep in mind that it is an apples-oranges comparison to the Republican Party of today.

WBU ALUM wrote:Infant mortality can be due to just about anything, including poor pre-natal care, physical issues with the mother, etc. Specifically, the rate in the US is 6 deaths for every 1,000 births (0.006%) according to this chart/map: http://www.indexmundi.com/map/?v=29

I wish to correct a miscalculation. The rate is 0.006 for every thousand births or 0.06%.

Texpat wrote:How does this affect us living in Thailand?
I suspect that if you're on a taxable pension, you will be taxed for health care but will have NO access to it.

Do you think expats will be exempt form the taxes and penalties? I don't know, but I doubt it.

I also wonder how many gremlins have been intentionally nestled away into the massive bill that nobody seems to have read. This is very scary -- unless you trust the US government. I don't.

IMO a very sad day for America and Americans.

Will we be exempt....not hardly. Only ones exempt from paying into the scheme would be the lawmakers and their cronies. (The backroom deals and all) As stated previously, that's the way politics work.

No one is in disagreement the system is broke and needs fixing. Why can't they do it open and honest like they promised in '08? Again, reguardless of party affiliation

It looks like the reconciliation package isn't starting out to be all that smooth. There are an awful lot of Democrats in the House who will be upset if the Senate strips some or all of their little "deals" from the package after they voted on it Sunday.

Nelson to oppose reconciliation package, cites student lending bill

Some are getting the message.

Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) said Monday he would vote against a reconciliation package that included changes to healthcare reform and student lending legislation.

Nelson said he opposed the package because the student lending bill would make the federal government the originator of student loans, replacing private lending institutions. Nelson said that would cost 30,000 jobs.

WBU thanks, what is in there, that's the question? What happen's when the supporters see their pork removed. I will speak of myself there is just to much I don't know to be happy or upset about this. Something tells me this is going to longer then the baht tread. See something that indicates what is there please post it.

Researchers from Harvard Medical School say the lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States — a toll that is greater than the number of people who die each year from kidney disease.
“If you extend coverage, you can save lives,” said Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, a professor of medicine at Harvard who is one of the study’s authors. The research is being published in the December issue of the American Journal of Public Health and was posted online Thursday.
The Harvard study found that people without health insurance had a 40 percent higher risk of death than those with private health insurance — as a result of being unable to obtain necessary medical care. The risk appears to have increased since 1993, when a similar study found the risk of death was 25 percent greater for the uninsured.
"We're losing more Americans every day because of inaction ... than drunk driving and homicide combined," Dr. David Himmelstein, a co-author of the study and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said in an interview with Reuters.
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ScienceDaily (Dec. 13, 2008) — The vast majority of children who die while hospitalized are newborns, according to a new nationwide study. Additionally, death rates are higher for hospitalized children without insurance compared to those with insurance, the researchers found.
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"If you are a child without insurance, if you're seriously ill and end up in the hospital, you are 60 percent more likely to die than the sick child in the next room who has insurance," says lead investigator Fizan Abdullah, M.D., Ph.D., pediatric surgeon at Hopkins Children's.
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"Thousands of children die needlessly each year because we lack a health system that provides them health insurance. This should not be," says co-investigator Peter Pronovost, M.D., Ph.D., director of Critical Care Medicine at Johns Hopkins and medical director of the Center for Innovations in Quality Patient Care. "In a country as wealthy as ours, the need to provide health insurance to the millions of children who lack it is a moral, not an economic issue," he adds.
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I'm still waiting for LDB's list of infants left to die.

okay, here's a small list; just 47,000

http://www.samefacts.com/2007/09/health ... -the-dead/

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ANYONE who thinks an infant in the USA without health insurance has the same
chance of survival as an infant with health insurance is wearing blinders.

Uh, I have yet to read about an infant diagnosed with something life-threatening (non emergency), without insurance and being left to die.

LDB, your initial point wasn't about infant mortality, which can occur for many reasons -- some of which have nothing to do with the immediate care being given to the infant.

Careful, your knickers....err......blinders are showing.

The case of Deamonte Driver, a 12-year-old boy who died because his family could not afford private dental treatment.

"The thing about Deamonte was his smile, he was always smiling," says Gina James, principal of The Foundation School in Maryland, where Deamonte was a popular and promising student.
It was while he was at school one Thursday in February that Deamonte complained of toothache. On the Saturday he had emergency surgery. An abscess had spread to his brain.

A few weeks later he died.

"Everyone here was shocked," says Ms James.
"They couldn't understand how he could have toothache and then die. We sometimes give the little kids candy as a reward; well, for a while they stopped taking it because they would say 'if I get a cavity, will I die?'"

Alyce Driver could not afford to pay to have Deamonte's tooth extracted.

LoveDaBlues wrote:The case of Deamonte Driver, a 12-year-old boy who died because his family could not afford private dental treatment.

"The thing about Deamonte was his smile, he was always smiling," says Gina James, principal of The Foundation School in Maryland, where Deamonte was a popular and promising student.
It was while he was at school one Thursday in February that Deamonte complained of toothache. On the Saturday he had emergency surgery. An abscess had spread to his brain.

A few weeks later he died.

"Everyone here was shocked," says Ms James.
"They couldn't understand how he could have toothache and then die. We sometimes give the little kids candy as a reward; well, for a while they stopped taking it because they would say 'if I get a cavity, will I die?'"

Alyce Driver could not afford to pay to have Deamonte's tooth extracted.

How did he get emergency dental surgery?

This is it? This is the only case you could dig up of babies dying because of no health care? I was really expecting some data/stats that showed the number of purposely neglected infants left to die by hospitals or physicians because of a lack of insurance. Apparently, this doesn't happen as often as some think

But I did find this:

In February, 2007, a young boy in Prince George’s County Maryland died from a brain infection caused by bacteria from tooth decay. His name was Deamonte Driver. His Medicaid coverage had lapsed, and even with the help of social workers, his mother was unable to find a dentist who would treat him.

And now there is a group of dentists working to prevent this from happening again.

http://www.deamontesdentalproject.org/about.html

http://www.namesofthedead.com/story.php?id=3115

Cindy Rhea
30's, Knoxville, TN

David Twiggs writes:
Cincdy was a custodian who worked for Southeastern Custodial Service, I think that was the companies name. They had Knox County Governments custodial service contract. I work for the Election Commission of Knox County. Cindy was assigned our building. The contractor, non-union, of course, did not provide insurance for it's workers at Cindy's level. How I know this is because one of the employees who works in the HR department of this company was my daughter's best friend in high school. Anyway, Cindy had a heart condition and had to take medication regularly to survive. She did a good job and was always friendly. One day she didn't come in to work. We found out later that day that her teenage son found her dead in bed! He was a senior in high school! Cindy couldn't afford her medication as it was prescribed so she just alternated her medication to make it last longer. Cindy was not educated enough to realize that this made the medication not work as intended. Not having healthcare killed Cindy and left an indelible impression upon her son. This is unconcionable in the United States of America. The next time I saw my daughter's friend, I brought up Cindy. She is a fundamentalist, born again Christian, Republican conservative. She was at loss of words. She knew exactly who I was talking about. All I can say is she better pray that God is the God of us liberal Episcopalians and not her judgemental God. I cry every time I think of Cindy!

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http://www.namesofthedead.com

Those of you against health care reform please stay away from the above
website; it might make your blinders fall off and we can't have that.
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Enough comments on this thread from me. The losers will keep hurling sour grapes
and the winners will keep pushing for health care for ALL AMERICANS which
should have happened decades ago. Keep up the fight Obama!

Boy, that's a great site. And Alan Grayson at the center of the storm.

You're correct. We'll move along now and get back to the legislation.

Marlowe wrote:
Bravo. Well done, Mr. Pres. You did what you said you would do when you campaigned; got elected, and did it. Yes, this is what change looks like, people - get used to it, there's lots more coming!

indeed, congratulations to the Great USA



History was written again and Obama will indeed be remembered in the US History as a great President



Next to come: Immigration and Financial reform.

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