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Post by parrot » April 17, 2016, 7:59 pm

blondieaka wrote:Hi can anyone give me the contact details for Udon Phit school...phone number I have appears to be incorrect. Thank you :D
All the websites I see show
042 221 960
042 212 693

School's been shut down for the Songkran Holiday........but you should get an answer if you call tomorrow.



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Post by 12345 » April 17, 2016, 11:43 pm

Teaching / teachers here, is a failure........plain and simple. Links below a few years old........BUT
Teachers fail exams on own subjects

An exam requirement says examinees who earn a mark of less than 59% are considered to have a low standard of knowledge.

Obec said up to 88% of 3,973 teachers who specialise in computer sciences failed the test. A high number of failing teachers was also found in biology (86% of 2,846), maths (84% of 5,498), physics (71% of 3,487), chemistry (64% of 3,088) and astronomy and earth sciences (63% of 529).

Obec has announced information and computer technology and English exam results of school directors. About 95% of about 40,000 directors failed the tests, Mr Chinnaworn said.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/edu ... n-subjects



Taking from the Post article above, I'm guessing........

80 per cent of Thailand's teachers fail own subject

HIGH school test results in Thailand have revealed a failure rate of more than 80 per cent in mathematics, biology and computer studies - among the teachers.

The failure rates for teachers who took exams in their own subjects were about 88 per cent for computer studies, 84 per cent for mathematics, 86 per cent in biology and 71 per cent in physics, the education ministry said.

And almost 95 per cent of about 37,500 secondary school directors did not score a pass mark in English and technology, according to the ministry.

The poor results have ignited controversy in Thailand about educational standards.

"Even teachers fail, so how can we raise the quality of students?" Education Minister Chinnaworn Boonyakiat was quoted as saying by the Bangkok Post newspaper.

More than 84,000 teachers and school directors took the exams, the first of their kind.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaki ... 5877646775

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Post by Barney » April 20, 2016, 8:01 am

I suppose it is good that they are trying to find the root cause of failures in the system by testing people. But a follow up plan may not have been thought of as they would not have predicted the crap results. ASEAN may be prompting this.
The all powerful lefty teachers union would not let this happen where I come from. Testing people that is.
I'll assume they did not test foreigners to see how many of them have no idea.

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Post by fatbob » April 20, 2016, 10:13 am

Barney wrote: by Barney » April 20, 2016, 8:01 am

I suppose it is good that they are trying to find the root cause of failures in the system by testing people. But a follow up plan may not have been thought of as they would not have predicted the crap results. ASEAN may be prompting this.
The all powerful lefty teachers union would not let this happen where I come from. Testing people that is.
I'll assume they did not test foreigners to see how many of them have no idea.
Having a young son attending school here and realizing how hopeless the teaching standards and education system is I find it surprising you are criticizing the Australian teachers unions who have helped create a world class system, wishing something similar was here.

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Post by Barney » April 20, 2016, 10:37 am

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Barney wrote: by Barney » April 20, 2016, 8:01 am

I suppose it is good that they are trying to find the root cause of failures in the system by testing people. But a follow up plan may not have been thought of as they would not have predicted the crap results. ASEAN may be prompting this.
The all powerful lefty teachers union would not let this happen where I come from. Testing people that is.
I'll assume they did not test foreigners to see how many of them have no idea.
Having a young son attending school here and realizing how hopeless the teaching standards and education system is I find it surprising you are criticizing the Australian teachers unions who have helped create a world class system, wishing something similar was here.

Coxo not bashing or criticising the Australian education system at all.
I have had, some time ago, kids go through it and happy enough.
But, in NSW many years ago they introduced the primary school common tests across all the schools which was just the 3rd and 5th grade students it was found that over the years some schools were falling behind. When the question was asked about the skill level of some of the teachers and if they should be checked or tested on individuals capability it was quickly squashed by the aforementioned group. To me that was not trying to improve anything for the kids education. I'm just saying at least the Thias are trying to find a cause.

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Post by marjamlew » April 20, 2016, 11:03 am

Professional educators were I am from have always known that teacher performance is a significant factor in student achievement. As the union sub branch president at my school I work hand in hand with the school leadership and departmental representatives to make sure that all member teachers are given the opportunity to attend professional development sessions relating to improving teacher performance and practice so as to benefit student outcomes. If you google CITW (classroom instruction that works) and GANAG you will see what I mean and what may be introduced in Thailand some time next century (or if and when the powers that be in Thailand want the citizenry to learn how to think). Teacher performance is measurable and data based and progress along the pay scale depends on the data.
I know that NSW is a long way behind what we do here Barney ( and I'm truly not having a dig just telling it how it is) but even they are light years ahead of any government school in Thailand.
There are less than 10 schools in all of Thailand and none within 500km of Udon where I would even consider sending my son and on a lowly Australian teachers salary I could never go close affording any of them.
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Post by GT93 » April 20, 2016, 3:32 pm

If western education and people are so clever and Thais are so stupid, then what the Thais achieve with language is absolutely amazing. Thais, even unsophisticated Thais, in farangland typically learn more than a bit of English, but a very high % of farang in Thailand can speak sod all Thai. Many might not be able to read a single word of Thai.

Thai-farang couples nearly always speak in English. Even if living in Thailand. Perhaps only extraordinarily stupid farang live with Thai women?

As for western education systems, I suggest some posters try employing staff in farangland. You might be surprised at the limits on the literacy and numeracy skills of products of farangland education systems. You can't even assume university graduates in farangland are semi-literate or numerate. That idea was abandoned long ago when the hoards of full fee paying international university students were permitted to enrol, pay high fees and graduate.
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Post by Aardvark » April 20, 2016, 4:34 pm

Not many Thai's move to farangland in their 50's+. Learning a new Language in your later years can be anything from very hard to impossible. I know many farang who can converse with the locals in their own language ....

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Post by Bandung_Dero » April 20, 2016, 4:39 pm

Completely guilty as accused by GT. 15 years @ about 11 months per year in Thailand and zero Thai language skills. Am I proud of it? = No. Have I tried? = yes and as I get older it gets harder!

I'm going to blame a psychological (joking) disorder I have where it comes to foreign languages. As a 12yo, 1st year high school student (N.S.W. Australia) we were FORCED to enroll into French classes! French = WTF, although, for the most part I'm 3rd generation Australian 75% of my friends were immigrant Italian, German, Yugoslav, Maltese (my Mothers Father) etc. from working families. All, to a Tee had NO respect for the French which rubbed off on me.

Well anyway, after the 1st year (1961) I could hardly fill in the header on the examination papers and failed miserably BUT got the message across "I'm NOT interested" and consequently thrown out.

Anyway, as I'm discovering through my step Daughter it's not only the Thai education system which is lacking but the attitude of the student. As a maturing 21 yo and into the later stage of her 4 year collage education her English has improved exponentially as well as other grades and skills. TW and I had put her through Private Schooling most of her early life which was basically a waste of money. At 18 her final grades from the high school were no better than her peers from the government school system.
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Post by Khun Paul » April 20, 2016, 5:10 pm

BD ditto, I too have tried to learn but in all honesty it is very hard , GT in my youth I could converse in Latin, Greek, passable French and also learnt German, however the years have gone by, my classics are failing me, French we will not tlak about, I can still get by with some German if needs be. it is the fact that Thai is based on Sanscript and the way they phrase the words and the difficulty even Thais have in reading their own language just makes it even harder to learn.
God knows I have tried I will try again as I have more time on my hands . however to get passable Thai would require almost total immersion as the Canadians do with French and here, that will never happen as every time I tried to speak Thai they want to speak English. Even my students stated that English being exact was far better to learn than Thai.

So before you pour scorn on the oldies living here, some do speak passable Thai some very well , but in truth the majority I fear do not and never will. Not because we do not want to, it is just bloody difficult.

What is a fact amongst Thai students is they do not have challenges they all pass whether they learn or not, failure is not in their vocabulary as they always ,move up a grade, the really first time they may have problems is M3 to M4 where they often have to take a test to continue education, some schools do not bother but at DB it is very hard and 200 is whittled down to maybe 80= , where do the rest go to Udon Pitt or other schools , that says it all really.

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Post by fatbob » April 20, 2016, 5:52 pm

Can GT speak Thai?

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Post by pal52 » April 20, 2016, 6:05 pm

The biggest problem of schools in Udon is they do not teach pure Thai.
The teachers speak in Isaan which is different to pure Thai.
I know this from experience with my son who started his primary education in Pattaya at Best International school but when we moved to Udon he had to learn Isaan.
He then went to International School & I was totally surprised when they told me he needed extra lessons in Thai Language with regards to Technical & Legal terms in Thai language as he had been taught in Isaan language.

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Post by fatbob » April 21, 2016, 7:58 am

pal52 wrote: by pal52 » April 20, 2016, 6:05 pm

The biggest problem of schools in Udon is they do not teach pure Thai.
The teachers speak in Isaan which is different to pure Thai.
I know this from experience with my son who started his primary education in Pattaya at Best International school but when we moved to Udon he had to learn Isaan.
He then went to International School & I was totally surprised when they told me he needed extra lessons in Thai Language with regards to Technical & Legal terms in Thai language as he had been taught in Isaan language.
I think you will find the teachers teach and speak in the Kings Thai, it is in the playground where the kids speak Issan as it is how they communicate at home.

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Post by stoneman » April 21, 2016, 9:36 am

Our son completed the 6th grade at Pattana Panya and we started thinking about other schools for the 7th grade...He took the advanced English program tests at Don Bosco and Udon Pitt and and was accepted into both programs...I went to Don Bosco and talked with them concerning their Advanced English program..According to the info given to me by the priest, there are 3 hours a week of English instruction given by a native English speaker...this is standard for all students..The advanced program consists of 2 hours a week of "English Science and English Math...taught by a native Thai speaker..I also learned that each class size is 50 students and there will be 200 7th graders...Was not impressed...Met with Udon Pitt and got exactly the same answer from them, including the class size...The comment was also made that there are more students at Pitt than they have classrooms and that some classes are actually taught outside...

So our son will be returning to Pattana Panya for the 7th grade...At the end of the first semester, the 7th, 8th and 9th grades will be moving to a new campus which is under construction...Oh yes, last year there were 21 students in his class and that will be about the same for the 7th grade (lots of interaction with the teachers)...Also the school is adding an additional grade each year...And the amount of native English speakers is much greater...

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Post by 12345 » April 21, 2016, 10:52 am

A wise choice....... =D>

Daughter goes to DB, and I'm not impressed, though much better than St. Mary's was. Thankfully her last year, and her class size is 24, I think, and down to only 2 class rooms, which is down from 4 from 9th grade, and class sizes gets smaller every year, as the students can't make the grade to go to next level / grade, so thins things out a bit. This will be one of the smallest graduating classes, along with one of the dumbest. And Father is not pleased. He does try his best though.

Good news, majority of grads, most, do continue to Uni studies, and not Ratch-a-stupid. Thimk 38 went to KKU last year or year prior. Some getting into med school.

Was considering KKU, but now switched over to MFU, which she will take and hopefully pass the entrance exam in October. Not top rated school, but actually better for what she wants to study. I like the idea of being a much smaller school, less distraction, and outside a smaller city, again, less distractions. Along with being part of the Royal family foundation, so a bit cheaper........ another win win..... :lol:

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Post by stoneman » April 21, 2016, 11:48 am

We are not looking at college choices yet...I am an Oklahoma University grad and sure would like for our son to follow in the family tradition..

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Post by rct » April 18, 2020, 5:00 am

Wow, no update in 4 years....I seek input regarding high school options - with emphasis in English.

My kids at Don Bosco until 2017-2020 we moved to in Phuket for "EP" at Kajonkietsuksa school middle of 3rd and 5th grades. EP in this case means 70% of instruction is in English, 30% Thai.

We have now decided to return to Udon, with my youngest accepted in new EP at Don Bosco for 6th, and we are seeking the right place for my oldest in 8th. He lost some confidence to learn mostly in Thai (DB has no EP for his age), though we have not entirely decided against it.

These seem to be the options:
Don Bosco mostly in Thai
Udon Pitt International Program
UDIS (I believe a bit too small)
ICS will open in August 2020
Pattana Panya has a new campus for Jr. High?

Am looking for feedback on any of the above, or other bright ideas.

Thanks!

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Post by Doodoo » April 18, 2020, 7:42 am

RCT
Cant provide any feedback re the schools listed excet a contact for the ICS. Good Luck
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Post by Khun Paul » April 19, 2020, 7:27 am

In all honesty asking about schools in relation to the so-called EP programmes is a risky business. Schools themselves will tout how good they are, offer a price which is generally ridiculous and guarantee good English speaking teachers.
All of which it generally total BS.

I worked in a few schools in Udon Thani, none afforded the native English speaker free rein to teach English, it was all about filling the books supplied and dealing with the many tests supplied by a Thai test maker in which a goodly percentage of the questions were suspect as were the answers.

Only one DB with a modern thinking director started a programme which enhanced English, even allowed tests written by the teacher to be implemented , going against the grain of many other teachers as the students were asked questions about what they had learnt in the year. It was DB Smart was good at its inception, now I feel a Money making scam by DB . At first was good , but now not so good until that is you get into M4-M6.

Schools adherence to tests and results outweigh any thoughts about learning and teaching their adherence to grammar is also counter-productive. Not one I know reaches students to write .

So you need to seek advice from current parents and how they view their child's progress, money does NOT buy good education, just gives you expensive BS. Good teachers help a child get a good education , some of the best teachers I have seen in schools not mentioned in this post yet.

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Post by Doodoo » April 19, 2020, 8:14 am

KP
Have you answered rct's querrie at all????
Sure dont look like it , again.
You have ranted about education and how you used to teach and it was so much better FOR YEARS and how bad the system is or was Give it a rest

The fella is moving back to Udon so how about helping him out as it certainly seems he is concerned about his childrens' education

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