Udon Immigration office lately

[noosard]

notice application for visa extension

would think think that means an extension to a visa not extension for permission to stay

Immigration is known for using inexact or even incorrect English.

Yes just your like your permission to stay
It is only in my passport once on the extentsion I got yesterday
All the border stamps have admitted till

[Bandung_Dero]

With all due respect STWW.

As I said A visa is never/can never, be extended.

I think you are confusing the issue some what! I have been in Thailand since 2001 on one form of Non Immigration VISA or another including "B" with work permit.

My last was a 12 Month multiple entry Non "O" Immigration "VISA" issued out of Brisbane in 2011. I have been extending that "VISA" ever since. Through any sort of language 'permission to stay' is an extension as such the application form, TM7, calls it an Extension!

I am not confused nor am I confusing the situation, that’s what you are doing

A VISA is never extended.
A VISA can never Be extended.
A VISA Gives permission to enter Thailand (subject to the IOs discretion)

On entering Thailand (if you have a single entry visa) it is marked as used. You are given permission to stay
Your permission to stay can be extended.
Your permission to stay Is not a visa
Your permission to stay Is not an extension of a visa.

So with your infinite wisdom how do you explain the wording of the TM7 form you submit every year (assumed).

[noosard]

1486547929418.pdf

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Seems you need a visa to fill this form out

[sometimewoodworker]

1486547929418.pdf

Seems you need a visa to fill this form out

Do look at the name
APPLICATION FOR EXTENSION OF TEMPORARY STAY IN THE KINGDOM

No you do not need a current visa.

You had a visa that is now dead, you need the information from that (dead) visa

[sometimewoodworker]

So with your infinite wisdom how do you explain the wording of the TM7 form you submit every year (assumed).

You are claiming for me something I never do, but thank you.

Which words are you referring to?

Do you mean ( I hereby apply for extension period of temporary stay in the Kingdom for……………days. ) ?

[mickojak]

No you do not need a current visa.

You had a visa that is now dead, you need the information from that (dead) visa

That makes sense, as I will be applying for more 1 yr extensions of stay from my current visa that runs out in Sept.
Yeah?
And maybe Forever?
Yes?

[noosard]

then why do you have to write said visa number on a form

[sometimewoodworker]

No you do not need a current visa.

You had a visa that is now dead, you need the information from that (dead) visa

That makes sense, as I will be applying for more 1 yr extensions of stay from my current visa that runs out in Sept.
Yeah?
And maybe Forever?
Yes?

Almost but not quite.

You extension of stay is from the permission to stay stamp that you got when you entered using that Visa or extension/extensions from that permission to stay

Yes you will need to refer to the visa you used to enter Thailand, each year. Yes you can continue for as many years as you like (if you fulfil the conditions)

The visa itself will expire/has expired

Thailand is rather different from most countries. It is usual that you can not stay past the expiration date of your visa. Thailand regards the visa just for entry and allows stay periods of up to 364 days after the visa dies.

[sometimewoodworker]

then why do you have to write said visa number on a form

Immigration requirements are that an extension of stay refers back to the original (dead) visa when you
“ apply for extension period of temporary stay in the Kingdom for……………days.”
Nowhere do you apply for an extension of visa.

[noosard]

So you need at least a dead visa for your permission of stay

[noosard]

permission to stay is IO wording
If not been to IO it will not be in your passport
but your visa will be with border stamps
Strange that

[noosard]

Now lets get back to IO today what is need to stay here, not pedantic wording

[jackspratt]

So you need at least a dead visa for your permission of stay

No.

If you have a single entry visa, it will be "dead" (for want of a better word) when you enter Thailand, and get your "permission to stay" according to the terms of the visa (generally). This could be 350 (or whatever) days before the visa expiry date, or may be 1 day before. If you want to leave and come back within the term of that permission, you need a re-entry permit.

If you want to stay a further period (say 12 months) you need to apply, and qualify for, an extension of your permission to stay (not your visa).

If you have a multi entry visa, it will not be "dead" until the expiry date. And you can come and go as often as you like before the expiry date, and will be given permission to stay each time according to the terms of the visa (generally 12 months). And if that permission runs into a period after the expiry date, you will need a re-entry permit to keep that permission alive.

What woody is saying is not pedantic - it is correct. It is when terms/expressions are carelessly thrown about that confusion reigns.

[sometimewoodworker]

Now lets get back to IO today what is need to stay here, not pedantic wording

If you don’t want the correct complete information then, you need enough money and documents. Is that non pedantic enough?

If you actually want to know exactly then are you applying for an extension for retirement, marriage, or taking care of Thai family members.
The requirements are different for each of these. Also are you British American or Australian (my guess from the passport copy that you are not).

[noosard]

Now lets get back to IO today what is need to stay here, not pedantic wording

If you don’t want the correct complete information then, you need enough money and documents. Is that non pedantic enough?

If you actually want to know exactly then are you applying for an extension for retirement, marriage, or taking care of Thai family members.
The requirements are different for each of these. Also are you British American or Australian (my guess from the passport copy that you are not).

Thanks i have the correct information as IO gave me a pamphlet
Application for visa extension in case of foreign husband with Thai wife as of the 3rd Dec 2008

[sometimewoodworker]

Thanks i have the correct information as IO gave me a pamphlet
Application for visa extension in case of foreign husband with Thai wife as of the 3rd Dec 2008

The pamphlet you were given does not mention that you will need a local witness when you apply.

Also you can apply up to 30 days before your current permission to stay finishes, the 1 year is added on to your time, so going early makes no difference to the total time.

[noosard]

Thanks i have the correct information as IO gave me a pamphlet
Application for visa extension in case of foreign husband with Thai wife as of the 3rd Dec 2008

The pamphlet you were given does not mention that you will need a local witness when you apply.

Also you can apply up to 30 days before your current permission to stay finishes, the 1 year is added on to your time, so going early makes no difference to the total time.

Yes it does No 13
Thai witness (not a relative) with photocopies ID card and house book

No14The Immigration Officer reserves the right to ask for any other documentation not included in the present list

[noosard]

AS my multiple re-entry visa expired in March
and my 90 days ends on June 15th, if I had not resuscitated my visa with the 60 day extentsion
I would not be able to apply on that visa for the yearly visa extentsion
even though I can stay till the end of July
So techinally my visa and all your visas are valid if you have done your extentsions on time

[noosard]

Now Jack and Woody I will be pedantic
Stop using permisson to stay
That is only been used once from Udon IO
at the border you admitted

[semperfiguy]

Thanks i have the correct information as IO gave me a pamphlet
Application for visa extension in case of foreign husband with Thai wife as of the 3rd Dec 2008

The pamphlet you were given does not mention that you will need a local witness when you apply.

Also you can apply up to 30 days before your current permission to stay finishes, the 1 year is added on to your time, so going early makes no difference to the total time.

Just to be clear, when I went to Udon Immigration on May18th for my extension of stay and changing from "reason of Retirement" to "reason of Married to a Thai National" (my original visa in 2010 was Non-Immigrant O-A), I was told by the good Captain that my one year extension would have to start as of that date and not my current extension's expiry date of June 18th. Therefore, I have lost a month on the extensions, but that is fine with me since I can change to a marriage extension and avoid the need to show proof of health insurance had I extended based on Retirement. If I were extending for reason of Retirement, then the new extension would have started on June 18th.