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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by stattointhailand » December 5, 2019, 7:55 pm

"I can only imagine what's going through his head right now"

If history is anything to go by, the answer to that has to be NOT A LOT :lol:



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Post by Kenr6583 » December 5, 2019, 8:21 pm

stattointhailand wrote:
December 5, 2019, 7:55 pm
"I can only imagine what's going through his head right now"

If history is anything to go by, the answer to that has to be NOT A LOT :lol:
So true. I'm sure Sean Hannity and those fine legal scholars at Fox and Friends will tell him what to think.

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Kenr6583 » December 6, 2019, 4:08 am

BREAKING NEWS!!! President Donald Trump just declared sanctions on the entire world. President Trump did not appreciate being mocked by Justin Trudeau and laughed at by Emmanuel Macaron and Boris Johnson, claiming "Don't they know who I am?" More on this story at 11.

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by TJ » December 6, 2019, 6:11 am

Now back to reality. The only relevant question or issue is who might replace President Trump in 2025.

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Kenr6583 » December 6, 2019, 6:18 am

TJ wrote:
December 6, 2019, 6:11 am
Now back to reality. The only relevant question is who might replace President Trump in 2025.
There's no doubt he's getting re-elected, the question will be though is how much damage will be done.

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by Sateeb » December 6, 2019, 6:46 am

TJ wrote:
December 6, 2019, 6:11 am
Now back to reality. The only relevant question or issue is who might replace President Trump in 2025.
Kanye.
"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet." - Gandhi.

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Post by Kenr6583 » December 6, 2019, 8:12 am

Sateeb wrote:
December 6, 2019, 6:46 am
TJ wrote:
December 6, 2019, 6:11 am
Now back to reality. The only relevant question or issue is who might replace President Trump in 2025.
Kanye.
Unfortunately that's pretty much the direction this country is going in.

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by tamada » December 6, 2019, 10:54 am

Kenr6583 wrote:
December 6, 2019, 8:12 am
Sateeb wrote:
December 6, 2019, 6:46 am
TJ wrote:
December 6, 2019, 6:11 am
Now back to reality. The only relevant question or issue is who might replace President Trump in 2025.
Kanye.
Unfortunately that's pretty much the direction this country is going in.
Yes! The Kardashians in da big house!

Y'all be careful what ya pray for, ya hear?

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Post by Kenr6583 » December 8, 2019, 6:55 am

A member of the Saudi Arabian military who was training at a Navalbase in Pensacola, Florida shot and killed 3 people and injured 8 others. According to the POTUS, individual Salman called and extended his condolences.

Here's my question, why the f*** is the Saudi Arabian military training on US soil? How many thousands of troops did we just send to Saudi Arabia to protect their oil fields? Is this a joke?

Since this happened the POTUS hasn't mentioned this again. Do you know what he is tweeting about? F****** toilets! He is claiming that it takes 10-15 flushes to properly flush. It may take him 10 or 15 flushes each time because he is so full of s***. He has the EPA looking into this issue. But a Saudi Arabian military person who killed three Americans an injured eight others at a Naval base in the United States? Not newsworthy to him.

This is the country that was the the mastermind and culprits of 9/11.

Please, please someone try to defend this b*******!!!

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by dragonz » December 8, 2019, 8:58 am

get a grip on yourself man ,. this is not a thread for trump derangement syndrome . this is about the deaths of usa servive personel and get you facts straight . This is to do with congress who should pass bills to stop this happening but of course cannot pass any bills as to busy going after trump .
This is from washington post
The Saudi military student who shot and killed three people on Friday at a naval base in Florida was part of U.S. foreign military training programs that go back decades at bases and colleges. Military officers, usually handpicked by leaders in their home countries, receive training in U.S. military doctrine and tactics — including how to use U.S.-made weapons, which often their countries have purchased — as well as instruction in the American political and legal systems.

Since the end of World War II, the Pentagon, the defense industry and others have championed these programs as a crucial way to cultivate allies, boost military partnerships and maintain reliable channels for U.S. arms sales.

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Post by tamada » December 8, 2019, 11:54 am

^ Because despite the claims to being oil and gas self-sufficient, the US doesn't have enough readily exploitable reserves to feed their MAGA-ness whereas the KSA still has loads of it on discount. That and some fanciful notion that the KSA is a bulwark against mid-east domination, ie. destruction of Israel, by those nasty Persians so the US feels obligated to train their soldiers and airmen.

Years ago, my buddy was assigned to serve with a US Army team that were ostensibly there to train up KSA's own equivalent of the National Guard. One of the biggest challenges in the early days was securing cupboards and other out of the way or unused places where the local trainees would slink off to for a bit of bum buggery.

Mind you, many years later, I had to fire a half decent Chinese chief mechanic after he was caught ass-raping a junior mechanic in the workshop. That was in China, just another festering pit of inhumanity with delusions of grandeur wrought of mythical historical and cultural excellence mostly invented by hopelessly lubbed-up westerners.

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Post by Kenr6583 » December 9, 2019, 4:05 am

So where do we draw the line? From 9/11 to the Khashoggi murder to the current 3 murders and 8 injuries, when will the Saudi Arabian government be held accountable? Trump is 100% responsible for the latest incident.

In May 2017, the KSA and the POTUS signed an arms deal. Shortly afterwards, Congress blockef that arms deal. Trump, the only way he knows how to get things done his way, invoked an emergency declaration in order to bypass Congress. In doing so, the Saudi Arabian military we're able to come to the United States under the FMS traning program.

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Post by Kenr6583 » December 9, 2019, 4:11 am

This allowed this individual and six others, who were subsequently arrested after the killings, to enter the United States and commit these terrorist acts.

But because the POTUS no doubt has personal business interests in Saudi Arabia, he refuses to hold that government responsible. Yet, he wants to label the drug cartels terrorist in order to invade Mexico.

These individuals would have never been on capital US soil if the POTUS had not once again abused his authority by claiming an emergency when there wasn't one. These deaths are on him.

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Post by Stantheman » December 9, 2019, 4:48 am

Hate to tell you Kenr, but having Saudi military trained here in U.S. is nothing new and been going on long before the Trumpster took over. I can personally remember seeing them at Lowry AFB in Colorado in 1975 when I was there for school.
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Post by Kenr6583 » December 9, 2019, 5:55 am

Stantheman wrote:
December 9, 2019, 4:48 am
Hate to tell you Kenr, but having Saudi military trained here in U.S. is nothing new and been going on long before the Trumpster took over. I can personally remember seeing them at Lowry AFB in Colorado in 1975 when I was there for school.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... Al&ampcf=1
I'm not saying it's anything new. From what I understand there are over 150 countries that conduct training here. What I am saying is he overrode Congress and declared an emergency to sell arms to the KSA when there was no emergency, which allowed these particular individuals to enter the US under the FMS training program. And the fact that he refuses to condemn the Saudi Arabian government for the actions of their military personnel makes it even more disturbing. This was a terrorist act, period. To say otherwise would just add insult to injury. And how quick is he to single out anyone from the Islamic faith as terrorists, but not in this case? The only reason he won't refer it as a terrorist act is because he does not want to upset the Crown Prince or his father. And no matter how much money he thinks the Saudi Arabian government is going to compensate these American victims, it won't be enough.

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Post by Kenr6583 » December 9, 2019, 5:58 am

All I am saying is how many Americans must be murdered by a Saudi national before the Crown Prince and his father are held accountable?

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Post by Kenr6583 » December 9, 2019, 6:02 am

Just to clarify, FMS is the US Air Force Foreign Military Sales Training Program. It is required whenever the US sells arms to foreign countries.

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Post by dragonz » December 9, 2019, 8:08 am

You need to educate yourself on middle east affairs to understand why we sell arms to the saudi`s instead of writing hate trump posts
Between 2011 and 2015, Saudi Arabia was the destination for nearly 10% of all U.S. arms exports. In 2016, the Obama administration proposed a series of arms deals worth $115 billion, including warships, helicopters, and maintenance.

The US (trump)president has vetoed resolutions in Congress to block the sale of $8.1bn (£6.5bn) worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.
do you also hate obama now as his $115 billion is a lot more than trumps $8.1 billion and that was only in 2016

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Re: U.S. Politics

Post by tamada » December 9, 2019, 8:38 am

dragonz wrote:
December 8, 2019, 8:58 am
...Since the end of World War II, the Pentagon, the defense industry and others have championed these programs as a crucial way to cultivate allies, boost military partnerships and maintain reliable channels for U.S. arms sales.
...as well as facilitate the greatest single loss of American lives on American soil through acts of terrorism.

Winning!

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Post by Kenr6583 » December 9, 2019, 9:00 am

tamada wrote:
December 9, 2019, 8:38 am
dragonz wrote:
December 8, 2019, 8:58 am
...Since the end of World War II, the Pentagon, the defense industry and others have championed these programs as a crucial way to cultivate allies, boost military partnerships and maintain reliable channels for U.S. arms sales.
...as well as facilitate the greatest single loss of American lives on American soil through acts of terrorism.

Winning!
And in Trump's eyes the only important part of that is maintaining a reliable channel for US armed sales and of course to make the defense industry rich, which in turn makes his friends and donors rich. What has he done to his allies? Insult and degrade. What has he done for dictators and monarchs? Worship them. These are our allies now, Russia, Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and to a certain extent North Korea. That's a fine group to be associated with. Its funny that neither the POTUS nor the White House wants to discuss this right now. Why is that? If this Saudi military national had been an immigrant Muslim from a different country or a Hispanic and did this on US soil Trump would the tweeting about this 24/7. This is not about politics, it's about money. But again, if Trump had not bypassed Congress those three Americans would still be alive today.

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