Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

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Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by tamada » February 6, 2021, 9:21 am

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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by noosard » February 6, 2021, 4:03 pm

Just see it now the peasants out with burning torches and pitchforks
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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by tamada » February 10, 2021, 6:36 am

After about four hours of arguments from both sides, the Senate has voted 56-44 to go ahead with the second impeachment. There will be much (more) wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Trump is apparently displeased with his defence team.

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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by jackspratt » February 10, 2021, 9:32 am

The video played as the impeachment trial unfolded - required viewing, particularly for those who hold the misguided view that the Bloated Orange Bullshiitter should be acquitted.


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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by FrazeeDK » February 10, 2021, 11:50 am

it only matters what 17 Republican Senators think.. If 17 can't be convinced to convict and right now it looks like that's not going to happen then the Impeachment trial is nothing more than political grandstanding by the Dems. It will be all about the evil Republicans who support an insurrectionist.. I fully expect a list of vitriolic talking points to spew from the Dem leadership up to the 2022 mid term elections...
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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by stattointhailand » February 10, 2021, 12:03 pm

That's the problem ......... getting Republican Senators to THINK

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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by Mosquito » February 10, 2021, 12:42 pm

Democrats really have nothing to lose and quite a lot to gain with the Impeachment trial.

1. (best out come) Trump gets convicted and barred from running again. List of Republican Senators that voted against conviction public knowledge.
2. Trump found not guilty, but still Dems might proceed with getting him barred from running again. Again, list of Republican Senators that voted against conviction public knowledge.

Part 1a/2a. FrazeeDK noted the 2022 elections. Expect between now and 2022 most of Trump's illegal activity will be public knowledge (tax returns/campaign finance violations/etc/etc). Thus, as FrazeeDK noted it'll follow Republican candidates up for re-election in 2022 and don't see Democrats letting the voting public forget about it.

IMO, both sequence of events will ensure Democrats hold the majority in both the Senate and House.

Additional part of sealing the Congressional Majority for the Democratic Party after the 2022 mid-term elections is the Republican Party's obstruction / delaying of Biden's Covid Aid Package.

My only negative nightmare would be Biden and Congress going overboard with social services spending. Do expect the 2 main Conservative Democrats will keep that in check, and expect a few middle Democrats to also help keep it in check.

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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by jackspratt » February 10, 2021, 1:37 pm

FrazeeDK wrote:
February 10, 2021, 11:50 am
it only matters what 17 Republican Senators think.. If 17 can't be convinced to convict and right now it looks like that's not going to happen then the Impeachment trial is nothing more than political grandstanding by the Dems.
The outcome depends on how 17 Republican Senators vote.

On the other hand, what matters is that the full light of exposure is cast on his egregious behaviour, and upon those in the Senate who are happy to support, and in some cases cheer, such behaviour.

Grandstanding in support democracy - sounds good to me.

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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by tamada » February 10, 2021, 2:38 pm

jackspratt wrote:
February 10, 2021, 1:37 pm
FrazeeDK wrote:
February 10, 2021, 11:50 am
it only matters what 17 Republican Senators think.. If 17 can't be convinced to convict and right now it looks like that's not going to happen then the Impeachment trial is nothing more than political grandstanding by the Dems.
The outcome depends on how 17 Republican Senators vote.

On the other hand, what matters is that the full light of exposure is cast on his egregious behaviour, and upon those in the Senate who are happy to support, and in some cases cheer, such behaviour.

Grandstanding in support democracy - sounds good to me.
The outcome is already decided and the GOP will castigate and expel those that didn't toe their line. All this while Trump claims another overwhelming vindication of his supreme being which will cause the less talented that frequent gun shows to get all rowdy about having the civil war that they consider is enshrined in their (poor understanding of the) Constitution.
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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by tamada » February 11, 2021, 10:45 am

So far the prosecution have focused on Trump's pre- and post-election Twitterfest as evidence of fomenting the attempted insurrection. They are also coming up with previously unseen video, harvested from the public social media of the idiots that broke into the Capitol. There's been hints about his team fretting about his inactivity after he returned to the White House and his passive observation of the unfolding violence. If any of those around him posted anything about it on social media, it hasn't been mentioned yet.

A couple of days after the siege, there was a comment from R-Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma who claimed, "I've never seen Pence as angry as he was today." Pence was the one who had to pick up the phone and dial 911 for the National Guard and not his boss. Unfortunately, that anger hasn't manifested itself anywhere impactful yet. We don't know if it ever will or if his anger ever really existed and was only imagined by Inhofe and amplified by MSM. After all Mr Grimace isn't one to let any emotions show now is he?

I am not sure if there are any plans for the prosecution to seek Pence as a witness or indeed if they can. Maybe Pence could plead the Fifth and decline or have some other legal/political caveat that precludes him being asked to give testimony. However, even if there was an explosion of witnesses willing to come forward and heap more damning evidence of his attempt to grab power, I can't see any of the GOP who are currently standing resolutely behind Trump changing their minds.

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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » February 11, 2021, 11:02 am

Unless 17 republicans in the Senate switch their votes, this impeachment is dead in the water. But, it's great for CNN to give on-the-spot coverage.
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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by glalt » February 11, 2021, 11:28 am

The first big question is how can they impeach a president who is no longer president? May be their hate Trump campaign will continue to keep them busy and prevent more damaging laws.

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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by Doodoo » February 11, 2021, 1:07 pm

Once again Glalt you need to research.
Can they impeach a president who is out of office , have a read
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/n ... -convicted

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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by tamada » February 11, 2021, 2:34 pm

Doodoo wrote:
February 11, 2021, 1:07 pm
Once again Glalt you need to research.
Can they impeach a president who is out of office , have a read
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/n ... -convicted
When this impeachment results in another non-conviction, can Trump then sue the US Constitution for defamation?

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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by Doodoo » February 11, 2021, 2:45 pm

You mean Donald "I got ta sue ya" Trump
I think he can slide one more in , why not. Have a look at the list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... nald_Trump

"Trump and his 3,500 suits: Prosecutor and author reveals in interview his portrait of 'Plaintiff in Chief'"

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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by tamada » February 12, 2021, 8:03 am

Day three saw the prosecution showing footage of the VP being hustled out the back door of the chamber about two minutes after Trump tweeted his direct attack on Pence for ratifying the electoral college counts and NOT supporting his fallacious claims of election fraud. The chronology of Trump's provocative tweets and the words and actions of those leading the Capitol incursion would seem pretty damning.

However, that's their opening arguments over and Friday will see the defence touting Trump's First Amendment (free speech) rights and there being no case to answer for.

During the first impeachment, the Republican Senate denied the Democrat's wish to call witnesses. This time around, the Democrats chose not to call witnesses. Funny old world, eh?

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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by tamada » February 12, 2021, 8:14 am

glalt wrote:
February 11, 2021, 11:28 am
The first big question is how can they impeach a president who is no longer president? May be their hate Trump campaign will continue to keep them busy and prevent more damaging laws.
Asked and answered within 4 hours of day one of the impeachment trial. Try and keep up.

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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by Mosquito » February 12, 2021, 12:29 pm

After watching the Impeachment Trial....amazingly I give it a 50/50 chance of a conviction.

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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by Whistler » February 12, 2021, 12:37 pm

Doodoo wrote:
February 11, 2021, 1:07 pm
Once again Glalt you need to research.
Can they impeach a president who is out of office , have a read
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/n ... -convicted
Apart from the Senate already answering this question, the law relies heavily on precedents. The 1876 impeachment of Secretary of War William Belknap, the house agreed to impeach Belknap after he had already resigned.

Just because Trump has left the scene of the crime........
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Re: Witch Hunt part deux... The Second Impeachment

Post by Udon Map » February 12, 2021, 12:59 pm

Whistler wrote:
February 12, 2021, 12:37 pm
Apart from the Senate already answering this question, the law relies heavily on precedents. The 1876 impeachment of Secretary of War William Belknap, the house agreed to impeach Belknap after he had already resigned.

Just because Trump has left the scene of the crime........
IMO the calculation for the Republicans is whether or not they want Trump to run again. I'm having trouble figuring which Republicans would want him in a future race. The Trumpers, like Cruz, want him out because they want to claim the Trump wing of the party (or the new party that Trump keeps threatening to form). The traditional Republicans, like, say, McConnell, would want him out because Trump will cost the Republicans votes from the center in the long run, if not sooner. (There is already a move among traditional Republicans away from the party -- apparently many voted for Biden because they couldn't stand Trump.) The center/left Republicans, like Romney, just can't stand him and all that he stands for. So which Republicans want to keep him? The only way they can prevent him from running again is for seventeen of them to vote to convict him.

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