papafarang wrote: ↑November 20, 2020, 7:50 am
Confused again ? The trial is to see if it produces an immune response ,if you have covid or have had covid the your body will already have the antibodies . so if you tested 30,000 people that already have covid the vaccine would have a 100% success rate. If you tested on people that are taking drugs that suppress the immune system again you might find 0% effective.
The tests are to see if they can induce the response of your immune system , as I've said my friend said to me they don't test on sick people ,if you have a cold the data would be wrong. Think of it this way ,people don't die of covid , many die because the immune system goes into overdrive and the body cannot cope. Even scientist will tell you the vaccine will give you 95% response but in the real world it won't be the same . imagine if they gave the drug to someone who was suffering from HIV but had not been diagnosed with it. That would be a very foolish thing to do ,It could have a grave outcome. And would make your data look like your vaccine was a failure. Normally it would take 10 years to find a vaccine, once they know its safe for healthy people then its time to test on the others. Poor or rushed drug testing leads to bad things happening
You are bringing in random cases (adding in Covid infections, which is new)and it seems that you have an incorrect understanding of the trial process, the clinical data or the way that effects are studied, as you are making incorrect statements and drawing false conclusions, because of that.
Your friend is giving you the information that they have, you are expanding that to have meanings it does not have.
once they know its safe for healthy people
Stage 1
then its time to test on the others.
Stages 2 & 3
Poor or rushed drug testing leads to bad things happening
True, see thalidomide.
Please give quotation from medical source that requires only healthy individuals with no underlying conditions (as you say is the case) in stage 3 trials for vaccines. As well as in stage 2 trials.