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[tamada]

The "four known Labour MP's" weren't party to drafting the rules they allegedly 'broke'. On the other hand, Dominic Cummings...

Of course he lied. Even if his weak excuse of having no friends to rely on in London and his panicky escape to the family plot up north was remotely excusable, the total sham offered for his wife's birthday outing to Barnard Castle with their son is as risible as it is contemptible. The 'weird eyesight' and test drive excuse would be laughed out of court for the man on the street. On the other hand, Dominic Cummings...

As far as I'm aware, I might be wrong here, but your assumption he drafted the lockdown rules is conjecture? To my knowledge he cannot write laws. Yes he broke the rules but so did the MP's, surely an MP should be more culpable than a mere advisor? If it wasn't so the the Labour whip wouldn't have stood down from her role but where's the media frenzy?

The unaccountable senior advisor to the PM's office then?

Is that better?

AFAIK, nobody from #10 has offered the excuse that Dominic Cummings was NOT involved with drafting...note DRAFTING the rules and regulations... note rules and regulations and NOT laws, regarding self-isolation, social distancing and, as Boris repeatedly reminds us, washing your hands.

The way I see it is yes, he did break these rules but the stiff-middle-finger offered at the Downing Street 'rose garden' was beyond the pale. No apology, no suggestion that he can comprehend why people, not the media, are upset. Watching that episode where his immense social disconnect was so visibly apparent, it made me wonder if autism is hereditary.

[tinpeeba]

Rosie Duffield should resign as an MP for breaking the lock down rules, resigning her position as party whip is insufficient. It was utterly hypocritical of her to frequently exhort the public to keep to the rules and stay at home but then break them herself.
However, unlike Cummings when caught out she apologised and has gone some way to accepting the consequences of her actions.
If Cummings had apologised immediately and not fabricated implausible excuses for his Durham excursions then maybe the public would have felt more inclined to let it pass and move on.

[stattointhailand]

Personally I really dont know what all the fuss is about Durham
Cummings went home to his "sick wife" (possibly Covid not confirmed) he then, having been in contact with her went back to Downing St which was 100% wrong. No way should he have left his house for at least 14 days ........... get on the ol Dog and tell the boss you cant come back to the office as his rules state he MUST isolate at home (The one he was living in at the time) ....... There were no other options or exemptions available to him (except perhaps nipping back to the office and editing what the rules stated which we understand he was quite good at)

[vincemunday]

Tam you're moving the goal posts again to try to justify your argument, ths is something you do this a lot, there's no evidence he was involved in any drafting of any rules and regulations and as he's not a lawyer it's highly unlikely he was. No he shouldn't get away with it Scot free but to lose his job for such a minor infringement is ludicrous and the same goes for the other MP's, if they wish to fall on their swords then so be it but had I been their boss I'd have severely reprimanded them, told them.to apologise profusely then carry on, it's noticeable that the (mainly leftard) media have concentrated their efforts on Cummings and it is 100% because of his role in Brexit and the fact he guides the PM. In the grand scheme of things it's just bull$hit, there are more important things they should all be concentrating on and they should carry on doing what they're paid for.

[AlexO]

Personally I really dont know what all the fuss is about Durham
Cummings went home to his "sick wife" (possibly Covid not confirmed) he then, having been in contact with her went back to Downing St which was 100% wrong. No way should he have left his house for at least 14 days ........... get on the ol Dog and tell the boss you cant come back to the office as his rules state he MUST isolate at home (The one he was living in at the time) ....... There were no other options or exemptions available to him (except perhaps nipping back to the office and editing what the rules stated which we understand he was quite good at)

Just where do you get you information from!! Cummings travelled to Durham WITH his wife and child where he then proceeded to self isolate with one minor transgression on his fathers farm land. He returned to Downing Street AFTER his self isolation and no sighs of the virus. He is no different to any of the MP's who have admitted to breaking the rules and unlike Blackford did he actually come into contact with anyone.

[tamada]

No goalposts moved here. If Cummings is so devolved and distant from the UK government's Covid-19 response, the single biggest issue on their plate at the moment, why does he attend SAGE meetings and cabinet sessions? No, he didn't single-handedly write the rules; that is not what's being suggested here. However, as senior advisor and the man with his finger firmly on the pulse of national public opinion (that's why he was hired by Johnson's stalled and rudderless Brexit initiative), he was fully involved with their design.

I share your expectation that Johnson should at least have reprimanded him and asked that he apologise... or did I misread that ? Despite the broad similarities ie. NOT staying at home, is the "minor" offence he committed somehow only a major one for certain Remainer Labour MP's?

[AlexO]

No goalposts moved here. If Cummings is so devolved and distant from the UK government's Covid-19 response, the single biggest issue on their plate at the moment, why does he attend SAGE meetings and cabinet sessions? No, he didn't single-handedly write the rules; that is not what's being suggested here. However, as senior advisor and the man with his finger firmly on the pulse of national public opinion (that's why he was hired by Johnson's stalled and rudderless Brexit initiative), he was fully involved with their design.

I share your expectation that Johnson should at least have reprimanded him and asked that he apologise... or did I misread that ? Despite the broad similarities ie. NOT staying at home, is the "minor" offence he committed somehow only a major one for certain Remainer Labour MP's?

Tam, Cummings attended the SAGE meetings on behalf of BJ. I would thing he had about as much input to these meetings as Boris would have, neither of them being medical or virology experts and merely there to observe, listen and report back to Boris. He may be a senior advisor to Boris but that is all. He has no real input to final Government policy as this is all agreed by the Cabinet. I would have thought that they fact that he dislikes David Davis immensely but who was still appointed to the Cabinet would indicate just how little real power he has. There are quite a number of people who sit in on normal cabinet meetings (they sit in the back seats) so Cummings is not unique in that sense, again they have no input only there to observe, record and form an analyses of what is being said/agreed. You have to wonder why Fat Slob Donaldson (and his boss Nippy) were shouting to all and sundry that Cummings should be sacked but why his trip of 600 miles including being a passenger on a public ferry to a small island from a highly infected London was a mere trip home according to him.

[tamada]

^ Thanks for placing things in context.

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[stattointhailand]

Personally I really dont know what all the fuss is about Durham
Cummings went home to his "sick wife" (possibly Covid not confirmed) he then, having been in contact with her went back to Downing St which was 100% wrong. No way should he have left his house for at least 14 days ........... get on the ol Dog and tell the boss you cant come back to the office as his rules state he MUST isolate at home (The one he was living in at the time) ....... There were no other options or exemptions available to him (except perhaps nipping back to the office and editing what the rules stated which we understand he was quite good at)

Just where do you get you information from!! Cummings travelled to Durham WITH his wife and child where he then proceeded to self isolate with one minor transgression on his fathers farm land. He returned to Downing Street AFTER his self isolation and no sighs of the virus. He is no different to any of the MP's who have admitted to breaking the rules and unlike Blackford did he actually come into contact with anyone.

If you cant be bothered to read all the facts ..... He went home (to Islington) and then back to Downing St (there were 0% allowances then or even inserted later to fit the story, that gave him any option other than staying in Islington at this point ).
He had already broken the rules so anything that happened later (Durham) is just a continuation of his disrespect for the law, the people and his own family

[GT93]

The incompetence of the Johnson government is beyond belief. It's up there with the US and Brazil. Johnson not attending 5 consecutive Cobra meetings as Covid 19 spread around the world is extraordinary. That will be in the history books.

Undermining social distancing measures by not firing Cummings is also extraordinary. It almost seems as if the Tories are trying to maximize the number of deaths from Covid 19. The Tories need a new leader. Hopefully someone who cares and who does her or his homework.

[tamada]

^ Sod the Tories, they shot their bolt when the gave Bojo a thumbs-up. Let's get Labour back in charge with Starmer, Rayner and Nandy running the show with other sensible and dilligent people like Cooper and Hillier on their back benches to keep them honest.

[AlexO]

Personally I really dont know what all the fuss is about Durham
Cummings went home to his "sick wife" (possibly Covid not confirmed) he then, having been in contact with her went back to Downing St which was 100% wrong. No way should he have left his house for at least 14 days ........... get on the ol Dog and tell the boss you cant come back to the office as his rules state he MUST isolate at home (The one he was living in at the time) ....... There were no other options or exemptions available to him (except perhaps nipping back to the office and editing what the rules stated which we understand he was quite good at)

Just where do you get you information from!! Cummings travelled to Durham WITH his wife and child where he then proceeded to self isolate with one minor transgression on his fathers farm land. He returned to Downing Street AFTER his self isolation and no sighs of the virus. He is no different to any of the MP's who have admitted to breaking the rules and unlike Blackford did he actually come into contact with anyone.

If you cant be bothered to read all the facts ..... He went home (to Islington) and then back to Downing St (there were 0% allowances then or even inserted later to fit the story, that gave him any option other than staying in Islington at this point ).
He had already broken the rules so anything that happened later (Durham) is just a continuation of his disrespect for the law, the people and his own family

He was still working numbnuts, same as many other essential workers. Go to work, go home. What part of that is too difficult to understand. Then family was potentially sick,go to a remote farm area and isolate. So you actually believe he did something more wrong than the hordes of gutter press parked outside his house???

[AlexO]

^ Sod the Tories, they shot their bolt when the gave Bojo a thumbs-up. Let's get Labour back in charge with Starmer, Rayner and Nandy running the show with other sensible and dilligent people like Cooper and Hillier on their back benches to keep them honest.

The party that the whole nation rejected as a bunch of left wing idiots just last December and you think that they will do a better job? Do you have a source for Buckfast no one else has??

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[Khun Paul]

The incompetence of the Johnson government is beyond belief. It's up there with the US and Brazil. Johnson not attending 5 consecutive Cobra meetings as Covid 19 spread around the world is extraordinary. That will be in the history books.

Undermining social distancing measures by not firing Cummings is also extraordinary. It almost seems as if the Tories are trying to maximize the number of deaths from Covid 19. The Tories need a new leader. Hopefully someone who cares and who does her or his homework.

For a New Zealander talking about the UK government is really rich, suggest you talk about your own Government or keep quiet, your ramblings about other countries governments is boring and mostly completely wrong . But you could always move to those countries so you can speak with KNOWLEDGE eventually !

[jackspratt]

For a New Zealander talking about the UK government is really rich, suggest you talk about your own Government or keep quiet, your ramblings about other countries governments is boring and mostly completely wrong . But you could always move to those countries so you can speak with KNOWLEDGE eventually !

Too blooody right KP .......... you'd never talk about other countries' governments - Trump and the US for example - now would you.

[stattointhailand]

Personally I really dont know what all the fuss is about Durham
Cummings went home to his "sick wife" (possibly Covid not confirmed) he then, having been in contact with her went back to Downing St which was 100% wrong. No way should he have left his house for at least 14 days ........... get on the ol Dog and tell the boss you cant come back to the office as his rules state he MUST isolate at home (The one he was living in at the time) ....... There were no other options or exemptions available to him (except perhaps nipping back to the office and editing what the rules stated which we understand he was quite good at)

Just where do you get you information from!! Cummings travelled to Durham WITH his wife and child where he then proceeded to self isolate with one minor transgression on his fathers farm land. He returned to Downing Street AFTER his self isolation and no sighs of the virus. He is no different to any of the MP's who have admitted to breaking the rules and unlike Blackford did he actually come into contact with anyone.

If you cant be bothered to read all the facts ..... He went home (to Islington) and then back to Downing St (there were 0% allowances then or even inserted later to fit the story, that gave him any option other than staying in Islington at this point ).
He had already broken the rules so anything that happened later (Durham) is just a continuation of his disrespect for the law, the people and his own family

He was still working numbnuts, same as many other essential workers. Go to work, go home. What part of that is too difficult to understand. Then family was potentially sick,go to a remote farm area and isolate. So you actually believe he did something more wrong than the hordes of gutter press parked outside his house???

How f*in' thick are some people ........ his wife was sick ......... he had to remain indoors for 14 days and NOT GO TO WORK

[stattointhailand]

Great move by the Bojo brigade ... It is now illegal to have sex with your lover in your house if he/she does not reside with you ....... (unless she is at work which is an exception) which means you can hire a prostitute, or even possibly have an orgy (with up to 6 people in your garden )

[GT93]

Scary times for hookers. And for the UK with such a bumbling boss and the R rate poised to leap above 1 as restrictions are eased and the Cummings fiasco knees UK social distancing efforts in the balls.