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English citizen Facing Death Sentance In Laos..Pt 2.

Post by beer monkey » May 28, 2009, 5:40 pm

An update....seems her mother has been to see her at last, and no one is Guaranteeing she will not face the death penalty.
Vientiane, Laos - You can sense it in their agitated voices and exasperated expressions. They wish she wasn't in their prison, they wish she wasn't in their country, and they probably wish she had never been caught when she tried to board a plane in Vientiane last August with 680 grams of heroin allegedly hidden beneath her clothes.

For the Communist officials who run Laos, the case of 20-year-old Briton Samantha Orobator - awaiting trial on heroin smuggling charges that could technically still bring her the death penalty - has become an embarrassment that this landlocked South-East Asian backwater could do without.

What started out as a straightforward case of a young foreign woman acting with what appears to have been crass stupidity has instead brought the harsh light of international scrutiny on a controlling and secretive regime.

The thing that has made Orobator's case a human rights issue is not the manner of her arrest or the conditions in which she is being held in Vientiane's notoriously tough Phonthong Prison. Rather, it is the fact that, eight months after her arrest, she is now five months pregnant.

The Laos government refuses to say how she became pregnant but insists stubbornly it is 'impossible' that she might have been raped inside jail or made pregnant by a prison guard, still defying logic in some interviews to claim she has been pregnant since before her arrest.

Orobator was made to sign a statement in prison declaring she had not been raped and that the father of her baby was not from Laos shortly after her pregnancy was confirmed in March.

A hasty, behind-closed-doors trial now looks likely to take place, possibly within days, after which Laos is expected to hand Orobator over to British embassy officials so that she can be flown home to serve out a prison sentence in the United Kingldom.

Little is known about what led Orobator, a Nigerian-born British citizen described by friends as extremely bright with ambitions to become a doctor, to fly to Thailand and then to Laos where she spent five days before her arrest at Wattaya Airport on August 5 last year.

To the huge annoyance of government officials, however, far more attention has been devoted to the question of how she got pregnant in prison than why she may have tried to smuggle drugs out of Laos - and it is a question to which they are unwilling or unable to give a satisfactory answer.

'This case is not about babies - it is about heroin,' chief government spokesman Kenthong Nuanthasing said with a tone of rising annoyance. 'She signed a statement to say she was not raped. She did not have intercourse with any man in prison. There is no male close to her during her time in prison. All the prisoners are women and all the guards are female.'

Asked who could have fathered the baby, he raised his eyes to the ceiling and said with an impatient laugh: 'Maybe it is a baby from the sky like [the Virgin] Mary.'

So why was she made to sign a statement denying she was raped without explaining the truth of her pregnancy? Nuanthasing said: 'We don't want the outside world to blame us (for her pregnancy). That is why we asked her to write a letter to certify that she was not raped and the baby inside her is not a Lao baby.'

Nuanthasing made it clear that in order to return home to the Britain, Orobator will be expected to confirm at her trial the statement she signed in prison. 'She will tell the court - otherwise she will stay here,' he said. 'Her court case will be dissolved.'

Such a delay could mean Orobator's trial being delayed until after she gives birth and Nuanthasing stressed that the threat of a death sentence could still be invoked as she is only exempt from the death penalty while she is pregnant under Lao law. 'Nobody can guarantee she will not face the firing squad,' he said.

The Laos government insists Orobator is being held in an all-female prison. In fact, Phonthong Prison on the outskirts of Vientiane holds male and female prisoners in separate blocks and has both male and female guards living in shabby quarters in the grounds outside.

A French former inmate who spent five months in the same prison over a business dispute, said, 'As soon as I read about the case of Samantha Orobator, I knew it must have been a prison guard who got her pregnant.

'Female prisoners are fair game for the guards there. They weren't exactly raped but they were coerced into sex with promises. The guards would tell them they could get them off the death penalty or get them or shorter sentence, or make life inside more comfortable for them.'

'There is no humanity and no compassion in that place. It is a place where you are made to feel as if you are nothing. You are completely cut off from the outside world and you're left begging for the smallest sign of hope, the slightest promise of something better.'

Orobator's mother Jane, who lives in Dublin, visited her daughter in the company of government officials and issued a statement afterwards to say her daughter had told her she was not raped and that the father is not a prison guard.

That statement, while failing to resolve the nagging questions about Orobator's pregnancy, will have pleased the Vientiane government and may help speed up the process of her trial and deportation.

Human rights lawyer Anna Morris, who spent a fortnight in Laos helping her government-appointed Lao lawyer prepare for the case, said: 'We will only know the truth about her pregnancy when she is home in Britain. Our priority is to get her home as soon as possible.'
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Briton's drug trial in Laos may be delayed until her baby's birth

Postponement increases death penalty fears for Samantha Orobator

The pregnant British woman facing a possible death sentence for drug smuggling in Laos might have to wait for her trial until after the birth of her child. The Laotian authorities are anxious to find out who the father is and say they could use DNA testing on the baby, which is due in September.
Originally the trial of 20-year-old Samantha Orobator, from Peckham, south London, who became pregnant in jail, was scheduled for this week. It was hoped she would be allowed to return to the UK after being sentenced, to serve time in a British jail.
Orobator was stopped at Wattay airport, near Vientiane, Laos, last August and her luggage was searched. Officials found 680g (1.5lb) of heroin in her case, an amount that constitutes trafficking, which carries the death penalty. She denied knowledge of the drugs.
Any plans for a delayed trial, to take place after the birth, would raise concerns about the sentence Orobator might get. At the moment, she is protected from the death penalty because of her pregnancy: expectant women cannot be executed under Laotian law. Orobator became pregnant four months after her incarceration.
Her mother, Jane Orobator, who has been in Laos for two weeks, has visited her twice at the Phonthong prison in Vientiane.
Today she told the Laotian Times that her daughter seemed well. "Samantha is looking well, she has no problems," she said. Asked if she believed her daughter would receive a fair trial, she said: "Yes, I think so because now that I have seen everything with my own eyes … I can see she is not being maltreated." Jane Orobator, who lives in Dublin with her three younger children, has asked the Laotian authorities to speed up the trial process. "I want to beg you all to hear the cry of a mother," she said.
The director of the Laotian drug control department, ­Lieutenant Colonel Khamphonh Sihaphancha, said the case needed further investigation to discover how ­Orobator became pregnant.



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Re: English citizen Facing Death Sentance In Laos..Pt 2.

Post by westerby » May 28, 2009, 6:19 pm

A hasty, behind-closed-doors trial now looks likely to take place, possibly within days, after which Laos is expected to hand Orobator over to British embassy officials so that she can be flown home to serve out a prison sentence in the United Kingldom.
Yeah, I stand by what I said on the related post - my opinion is that there'll be a deal done and she'll serve a little while in Laos before being sent home to serve the rest of her sentence. I wonder if there's a guard sweating somewhere, waiting for the DNA results after the baby has been born.

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Post by Aardvark » May 29, 2009, 8:25 am

I wonder if the Baby will go missing so British Doctors can't do there own DNA tests 8)

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Post by beer monkey » June 3, 2009, 4:56 pm

The Trial Begins..


(The Times Online)
A pregnant British woman held on heroin trafficking charges in Laos goes on trial today as questions continue about how she managed to conceive whilst behind bars.

Samantha Orobator, 20, was arrested at Wattay airport in August after allegedly boarding a filght to Thailand with ith 680g (1.5lb) of heroin; a quantity which, if she is found guilty under Laotian law, could theoretically result in her facing a firing squad.

The Laos government has confirmed that under the country's criminal law, a pregnant woman could not receive the death penalty, but officials delayed her scheduled trial date in May because of questions about how she became pregnant.

Ms Orobator, from South London, arrived in court amid tight security wearing a blue prison outfit and smiling at reporters. She was escorted by female prison guards but the young woman, who has been denied all contact with lawyers, was not in handcuffs or ankle chains

Even if convicted, Ms Orobator is not expected to spend much time in a Laos jail thanks to a prison transfer deal struck between David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary and the Laos government last month. Laos officials, however, could still veto her return to the UK.

Ms Orabator, who was not pregnant before her arrest in August, is due to give birth in September. According to Laos officials, she initially told authorities she was pregnant by her boyfriend in England, but tests after she was arrested showed no signs of pregnancy.

Ms Orobator's mother Jane recently denied speculation that her daughter had not been raped by prison officials or fellow prisoners.

Officials in Laos said that the pregnancy might save her from execution and that the death penalty was not, in practice, applied to foreigners convicted on drugs charges.

Laotian police claimed in the state run newspaper Vientiane Times yesterday that Orobator admitted she secretly obtained sperm from a fellow prisoner to impregnate herself to avoid the death penalty.

Survivors of Phanthong prison, where Ms Orabotor has been held since August, recently described the horrors of incarceration in the notorious jail where malnutrition, disease, abuse and torture are part of everyday life.

Kay Danes, an Australian who survived ten months in the same cell block that Ms Orobator is being held, said: “If she goes into early labour or starts miscarrying, nobody will come however much she screams," she said..

"I’ve heard all the prisoners yelling at the top of their lungs, shouting for the guards when one of the inmates was dying, and nobody comes. Nobody ever comes.”

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Post by beer monkey » June 3, 2009, 8:52 pm

Crikey....That was swift......started then finished, no over night stays in hotels for the jury for several weeks then.
Probably do a few years then be transfred to blighty.
Laotian police claimed in the state run newspaper Vientiane Times yesterday that Orobator admitted she secretly obtained sperm from a fellow prisoner to impregnate herself to avoid the death penalty
I read this last week on another forum....guess we will wait till she sells the story, what a way to come into the world for the innocent little baby.

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Post by tutone » June 3, 2009, 9:07 pm

beer monkey wrote:Crikey....That was swift......started then finished, no over night stays in hotels for the jury for several weeks then.
Probably do a few years then be transfred to blighty.
Laotian police claimed in the state run newspaper Vientiane Times yesterday that Orobator admitted she secretly obtained sperm from a fellow prisoner to impregnate herself to avoid the death penalty
I read this last week on another forum....guess we will wait till she sells the story, what a way to come into the world for the innocent little baby.
What did she use? A spoon?

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Post by arjay » June 3, 2009, 10:26 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8080968.stm

The BBC Article includes a short video clip.
Pregnant Briton sentenced to life

A pregnant British woman accused of smuggling heroin has been found guilty in Laos and sentenced to life in jail.

Samantha Orobator, 20, from south London, was caught with 1.5lb (680g) of the drug at Wattay airport in the capital, Vientiane, last August.

Her trial had been delayed while Laotian officials tried to find out how she became pregnant in prison.

She would have faced a mandatory death sentence, but the execution of pregnant prisoners is not allowed in Laos.

The court took only three hours to reach its verdict, and during questioning by the prosecution and the three judges, Orobator admitted to carrying more than half a kilogram of heroin in an effort to try and take it out of the country to Australia.

Pregnant in prison

Orobator's mother was in court. She did not say anything; nor did Orobator as she was taken back to prison. British officials have applied to see her to ask what she wants to do next.

Daniel Painter, from the British Embassy in Thailand, attended the trial. He was asked if the proceedings had been fair.

He told the BBC: ''We don't comment or interfere in the judicial proceedings of other countries. If Samantha has concerns about fair trial issues then we can take those up with the Laos government.''

The UK has recently signed a prisoner transfer agreement with Laos, which means Orobator could serve any potential sentence in a British jail.

Above all we're concerned about her health and the health of her un-born child
Reprieve

She has 21 days to appeal against the sentence. If she applies for a transfer, she may see out much if not all of her sentence in the UK.

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) said that British authorities would enforce any sentence imposed by a foreign court, although British release arrangements would be applied.

Transferred prisoners are not able to appeal through British courts.

An FCO spokesman said officials would soon be in touch with her to discuss what she wants to do next.

'No reason for delay'

The spokesman told the BBC: "We will be discussing with Samantha if she wants to apply for a transfer. There is a prisoner transfer agreement; it will be up to her."

He said he was unable to say whether Orobator would be transferred back to the UK before the start of the third trimester of her pregnancy on 6 June - as has been called for by British human rights charity Reprieve.

Orobator has been held for nine months in Phongthong prison, where she reportedly became pregnant in December.

Reprieve has called for her to be returned to the UK before the final stages of her pregnancy.

In response to the verdict, a Reprieve spokeswoman told the BBC: "We're relieved that she's had her trial and we are keen that the British government brings her home to the UK.

"Above all we're concerned about her health and the health of her unborn child."

The spokeswoman added that she hoped the transfer would happen in about two weeks.

"There's no real reason for delay," she said.

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Post by wazza » June 3, 2009, 10:34 pm

Now then the Lao Govt signed a treaty for Prisoner transfer only 3 months ago with the UK.

So that means they knew of the trial fro sure and worked behind the scenes to sort it ??

So much for her claims and others, that she hasnt even seen a consulate official etc.

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Post by arjay » June 3, 2009, 10:44 pm

Wazza, re your last sentence,
- So much for her claims and others, that she hasnt even seen a consulate official etc.
she hadn't seen a lawyer etc before/until all the publicity and diplomatic representations brought the matter into the open.

The British government only found out that she was being detained in Laos after she had been detained for many months because it was mentioned to an Australian diplomat when he was visiting one of his country folk and he passed the info on to the British Embassy official (in Bangkok).

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Post by wazza » June 3, 2009, 10:52 pm

RJ

Yes the Oz Embassy does look after the Brits in Lao, until the calvary arrives from BKK.

I still think that once the UK Embassy in BKK was aware of this, they did work hard and thru the red tape that the Lao government would have put up to get this buried.

Sadly this wont be the last expat held in jail in SE Asia with poor or little representation etc, look at the debarcle and lies that Aussie women said in Phuket.

Interesting when you leave Australia the warning signs for carrying drugs etc are in your face already, let alone the signage and doumentation once you arrive in certain countries.

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Post by beer monkey » June 3, 2009, 10:52 pm

Yes i believe it was a long time before anyone noticed she was missing.... :?
What did she use? A spoon?
There will be a $$$tory behind this soon enough.....

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Post by wazza » June 3, 2009, 10:59 pm

What are the laws in the UK in relation to profits from the proceeds of crime.

In Oz, she cant sell her story as she is guilty and cant even sell it via an agent etc

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Post by arjay » June 3, 2009, 11:05 pm

She won't be able to sell her story if she is "inside", whether it be in a Laos jail or an English one, and rightly so.

I guess her Mum could blab a bit. ;)

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Post by beer monkey » June 3, 2009, 11:10 pm

What about if the crime is done outside of UK... :-k plus plenty of ex-cons have written books and done films regarding their experiance.....sure there will be a film based on the whole episode, she could be out in a few years anyhow...and yes her mum could blab....£££

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Post by konstabel els » June 3, 2009, 11:18 pm

I have just seen on the telly she has been given a life sentence and the government are confident she will serve it in the UK - glad to see this goverment meeting their promises on ' securing our borders' and getting tough on crime - you cant f***ing make it up!!

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Post by seymourbutts » June 3, 2009, 11:51 pm

Here Here =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> Nmaby pamby brigade about to strike again!!!!

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Post by Irish Alan » June 4, 2009, 12:02 am

She'll probably come out of Holloway in a few years with a degree, have Max Clifford as her agent, sell her story to the papers for thousands and do the rounds on the talk shows and talk about her horror in a Lao jail.

All together now, awwwwwwwwww!

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Post by westerby » June 4, 2009, 12:59 am

seymourbutts wrote:Here Here =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> Nmaby pamby brigade about to strike again!!!!
ooh behave! You love it when I do mamby pamby.

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Moving on, any ideas on how long she'll do inside before she's out on parole?

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Post by Irish Alan » June 4, 2009, 1:03 am

MMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm, 3-4? That'll get her her Open University degree in Economics.

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