US Presidential election odds

[Mex]

The plot is thickening...HOTA will respond with infantile deflection, no doubt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyn6OJFjwvU

[Doodoo]

The problem nowadays is anyone and I mean anyone, anywhere can dump crap out there for people to watch.

Then you get lunatics racing around with guns, cammo, professing that they are the ones to listen to.

I can remember 20 some odd years ago when the world ran into Y2K December 31 1999, at 23:59 Hours when they said the world would crash. One of the leaders in North America the Reverenc Gerry Fallwel his fix for his Desiples was to go out and BUY MORE AMMO AND BIBLES!!!!
The internet has been a Blessing and, well you can put your own words in here

[Whistler]

This from the guy that poo pooped the virus that it first emerged as just another....... It was obvious then with anybody that half a brain....

Go back to March doodoo when you and tamada did exactly the same as Trump, and stated it was tin hat day

[Whistler]

Mex, I a, sure you know who all these people are like HOTA etc, but I am struggling to understand on some of your posts who you are talking about

[glalt]

A political party, either of them, that attempts to fiddle with Social Security would be guilty of political suicide. The program has been taken advantage of by people collecting disability benefits they certainly don't need or deserve. Crooked doctors create that situation. I think most of us see that. The main drain is Medicaid. No way should that be funded by the Social Security program. That is plain and simple welfare. The program does need to be cleaned up.

The bottom line for me is that it makes very little difference who gets elected. I am retired, live in Thailand, collect Social Security and no longer pay any taxes. My Social Security won't be affected regardless of who is elected. I do think it would be a shame and very dangerous if the country continues to lean towards socialism.

[papafarang]

Very odd I thought all Americans save and invest for retirement ? Social security is socialism , the UK has social security ,we pay a small amount in and then get a pension if we live long enough. Its now called the DWP , but it is socialism

[newtovillagelife]

Very odd I thought all Americans save and invest for retirement ? Social security is socialism , the UK has social security ,we pay a small amount in and then get a pension if we live long enough. Its now called the DWP , but it is socialism

Most Americans are just to dumb to recognize that Social Security is part of Socialism. Most lack any critical thinking, that is why a Moron like Trump gets elected.

[glalt]

You know nothing about socialism or the Social Security program. US citizens pay directly into the Social Security program all their working lives. It is not a small amount. I think it is 0ver 6 percent of your gross wage, gross wage means that is paid in before any taxes are deducted and your employer matches that. The amount you receive after you retire depends on how much you paid in. It's more like a mandatory savings account. Some posters are too stupid to understand how the program works and then reveal how stupid they really are by calling it socialism.

[Whistler]

I always have a wry smile when the word 'socialism' is used on this and other forums, websites etc.

Too many times the connotation that any government support system is 'Socialist' or even 'Communist' as opposed to a government policy that tries to even out the bumps that effect peoples lives and legislate for a fair go for all.

The same can be said for conservativism, there is a huge difference to Alt-Right and Neocon, as opposed to 'Right of Centre' conservatism that existed back 30 or 40 years ago.

Now, there is this deep divide, an unhealthy lack of respect, it started with the Reagan/Thatcher era, grew stronger with the rise of the Tea Party and is now destructive. Time for well meaning conservatives to fight back against the noisy and destructive alt-right that is destroying what has always been a sensible conservative movement. One that encouraged free enterprise without demonizing everybody that wasn't rich, that did not have a white complexion and did not feel compelled to treat anybody that does not share their ideals as being unpatriotic.

Trumpism is a strange cult like phenomena, but its foundations were built by elements like the Tea Party that are hell bent on establishing an Oligarchy to replace Democracy.

[tamada]

You know nothing about socialism or the Social Security program. US citizens pay directly into the Social Security program all their working lives. It is not a small amount. I think it is 0ver 6 percent of your gross wage, gross wage means that is paid in before any taxes are deducted and your employer matches that. The amount you receive after you retire depends on how much you paid in. It's more like a mandatory savings account. Some posters are too stupid to understand how the program works and then reveal how stupid they really are by calling it socialism.

"It's interesting to remember that the U.S. got the idea for a social-security system from 19th century Germany. That very capitalist monarchy launched an old-age social insurance program in 1889 at the behest of Chancellor Otto von Bismarck, partly to stave off radical socialist ideas being floated at the time. The original social security was actually an anti-socialist maneuver by a conservative government.21

Nevertheless, because the American government plays such a dominant role in the U.S. Social Security system—deciding how much and when employees and employers pay into the system, how much individuals receive in benefits when they get them, and preventing almost everyone from opting out—it only seems fair to call the Social Security program a form of socialism.

The program requires workers and their employers, along with self-employed individuals, to pay into the system throughout their working years. The government controls the money they contribute and decides when and how much they get back after—and if—they reach retirement age."

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/r ... ialism.asp

Contrary to popular opinion, especially among seniors, Social Security is not a retirement program. No one “contributes” into a Social Security retirement fund, which then earns interest, and then is later available during one’s retirement years. Moreover, there are no individual lockboxes at Fort Knox with each person’s name on them containing his Social Security “contributions.”

Social Security is nothing more than a socialist program, no different from food stamps and public housing. It uses government to forcibly take money from people to whom it belongs and gives it to people to whom it does not belong. That’s classic socialism, in that it embodies the Marxian principle “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”

https://www.fff.org/2019/10/11/the-soci ... -security/

The key is it is mandated, administered and managed by the US Government. It is neat and handy and beneficial but beyond all that, it is still socialism so deal with it.

[papafarang]

You know nothing about socialism or the Social Security program. US citizens pay directly into the Social Security program all their working lives. It is not a small amount. I think it is 0ver 6 percent of your gross wage, gross wage means that is paid in before any taxes are deducted and your employer matches that. The amount you receive after you retire depends on how much you paid in. It's more like a mandatory savings account. Some posters are too stupid to understand how the program works and then reveal how stupid they really are by calling it socialism.

"It's interesting to remember that the U.S. got the idea for a social-security system from 19th century Germany. That very capitalist monarchy launched an old-age social insurance program in 1889 at the behest of Chancellor Otto von Bismarck, partly to stave off radical socialist ideas being floated at the time. The original social security was actually an anti-socialist maneuver by a conservative government.21

Nevertheless, because the American government plays such a dominant role in the U.S. Social Security system—deciding how much and when employees and employers pay into the system, how much individuals receive in benefits when they get them, and preventing almost everyone from opting out—it only seems fair to call the Social Security program a form of socialism.

The program requires workers and their employers, along with self-employed individuals, to pay into the system throughout their working years. The government controls the money they contribute and decides when and how much they get back after—and if—they reach retirement age."

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/r ... ialism.asp

Contrary to popular opinion, especially among seniors, Social Security is not a retirement program. No one “contributes” into a Social Security retirement fund, which then earns interest, and then is later available during one’s retirement years. Moreover, there are no individual lockboxes at Fort Knox with each person’s name on them containing his Social Security “contributions.”

Social Security is nothing more than a socialist program, no different from food stamps and public housing. It uses government to forcibly take money from people to whom it belongs and gives it to people to whom it does not belong. That’s classic socialism, in that it embodies the Marxian principle “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”

https://www.fff.org/2019/10/11/the-soci ... -security/

The key is it is mandated, administered and managed by the US Government. It is neat and handy and beneficial but beyond all that, it is still socialism so deal with it.

Yes some posters are too stupid to understand , if its a mandatory savings account then who get your social security if you die before retirement ? And who gets the remainder of the money that has not been paid out if you die at 70 ? Then of course there's the issues of if your lucky to outlive your 'savings account' .is there some kind of cut off age ,like you get a letter from the government saying sorry your account is empty ? By the way I'm not even being sarcastic , I'm truely interested how your system differs from the socialist British system. We have to pay and for that we get free healthcare and a pension , I tell you how bad it is . if someone was unfortunate to be born with severe health problems and were never able to work , our government would let them use our healthcare system and if they reached retirement they also get a pension too. That's disgusting isn't it glat ( that was sarcasm )

[glalt]

The only socialist part of it is funding welfare Medicaid from people who paid into the program for their old age medical expenses (Medicare) and their living expenses. Most people don't receive enough to live on and must rely rely on savings and/or a private pension to make ends meet. The more you pay in the more you get back.

Some people live to an old age and others die young. If you die young, and have a wife and children, they continue to receive a check. If you have no dependents, the government uses that money to pay to those who who live longer than the average person. There is no old age cutoff. When I die, my Thai wife will receive nothing. That's just the way it is. Since I live in Thailand, my Medicare is useless. Civil service retirees have insurance the covers them here in Thailand.

[papafarang]

Yes glat sounds exactly the same as the British social security system , good old socialism

[Kenr6583]

How dare you contradict glalt!

Given the fact that social security contributions are paid into via "payroll tax", and it is mandatory, and it is controlled by the government, makes it a socialist program.

And don't think for a minute that your benefits can't/won't be reduced in the future. All they would have to do is change the bend points and index factoring, kind of the same way Trump wants to change federal employees retirement benefits, and make it retroactive.

If Trump were to ever get his way and get the payroll tax eliminated, Congress would have to approve funding for it on a yearly basis through the budget. And where is that money going to come from?

[Stantheman]

Still trying to figure what all this crap about Social Security has to do with the election odds on how bad the Trump will lose.

[papafarang]

Yes what are the odds today ?

[glalt]

You can call Social Security whatever you like. The program worked well until the politicians couldn't stand to see the fat trust fund. They then decided to "borrow" those trillions of dollars, yes trillions. They also tacked welfare programs onto the program. Welfare programs, in particular Medicaid were never meant to be funded by Social Security. They also changed the contribution rates as well as increasing the age when you could start to collect. Leave it to the politicians to make changes to programs that actually worked as designed. Is it surprising that congress has a different different lucrative retirement program?

[Kenr6583]

You can call Social Security whatever you like. The program worked well until the politicians couldn't stand to see the fat trust fund. They then decided to "borrow" those trillions of dollars, yes trillions. They also tacked welfare programs onto the program. Welfare programs, in particular Medicaid were never meant to be funded by Social Security. They also changed the contribution rates as well as increasing the age when you could start to collect. Leave it to the politicians to make changes to programs that actually worked as designed. Is it surprising that congress has a different different lucrative retirement program?

Congress has the exact same retirement program, CSRS and FERS, and they also pay into Social Security and Medicare, as every other federal employee.

And Medicaid is not funded by Social Security.

[Laan Yaa Mo]

Apparently, if the Washington football team (Redskins) wins at home just before the election, the incumbent will win as has happened previously. Washington defeated the Cowboys today, 25-3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskins_Rule

The means nothing to me as I follow Canadian Professional football and its season has been cancelled. However, it may bring a small sliver of hope for those wanting Trump to win.

[Kenr6583]

Apparently, if the Washington football team (Redskins) wins at home just before the election, the incumbent will win as has happened previously. Washington defeated defeated the Cowboys today, 25-3

The means nothing to me as I follow Canadian Professional football and its season has been cancelled. However, it my bring a small sliver of hope for those wanting Trump to win.

Well, given the fact that Washington doesn't play next weekend, and you are correct they did beat Dallas today, it's official, Trump will be reelected.