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Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 29, 2010, 6:42 pm
by wazza
Its amazing how their losses just dont add up.

1 guy arrested for match fixing , and what looks like good evidence from the News of the World.

http://www.news.com.au/world/allegation ... 5911555290

Their unexplained drop in form for a match every series, just makes u wonder ?????

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 29, 2010, 6:58 pm
by BobHelm
England have just won the series. England beat Pakistan by an innings and 225 runs.
Very strange series. :shock: :shock:
I think Pakistan won the first two tosses & then batted. This in typical English summer weather - very overcast conditions ideal for swing bowling. England easily won the first two tests just on the back of being able to bat in the afternoon in both & piled on the runs then when the mornings were virtually impossible to bat at all.
The ball ruled the bat in all 4 tests for both sides & the only time Pakistan managed to get to bat in some decent conditions (in the third test) they won it. Nearly every time 1 or 2 English batsmen only managed a good score, batting in good conditions, but that was enough. I don't think that ANY batsman from either side especially covered themselves in glory (especially Pietersen, who had another terrible series) & it was certainly a series to bowl in.
Hence I was mystified by the decision to bat in the first two.

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 29, 2010, 7:05 pm
by jackspratt
Also big talk now about the miraculous victory by the Aussies at the Sydney CG earlier this year. Dropped catches, missed run-outs, a flurry of bad shots to get out etc etc.

Min mak mak.

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 29, 2010, 7:18 pm
by wazza
Firstly they havent got a country to play in, and soon they wont have a national team, all suspended for match fixing. The problem is the ICC know it goes on, and once again the Sub Continent Block vote allows its all to be swept under the carpet.

I recomend that John Howard be appointed as the independent head of match fixing claims.

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 29, 2010, 7:23 pm
by BobHelm
In a team game I think it is quite difficult for 1 (or even 2) players to effect the final result without it being obvious. The problem with the mass growth in internet betting is that it is now possible to bet only almost any aspect of the game, not just the result.
I gather that the betting scam in the UK is centred around the number of no-balls bowled. That is certainly something that a dishonest bowler could quite easily manipulate... :(

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 29, 2010, 7:43 pm
by wazza
Im betting the ICC have no balls to take this on.

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 29, 2010, 7:52 pm
by DermotC
If found guilty as it seems they have to be given the evidence on Sky News last night, Pakstan should be banned from playing test cricket, or any cricket for that matter for at least 3 years.

I remember when it was a pleasure for any international sportsman to put represent their country. How could anyone do this? Although with rumours about international aid going in the back pockets of Pakistani politicians i guess it shows that the problems are deely rooted in society there!

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 29, 2010, 7:56 pm
by BobHelm
:D Very good Wazza :D
Part of me says "What the heck". So a bookie somewhere will lose a few quid (OK, probably 1,000s :D ) because of 3 no-balls in a row in over 20. It is not going to effect the outcome in a Test match. Dam stupid bet to take in the first place. :D - You may notice that my opinion of book makers is only slightly above that of lawyers & estate agents. :D

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 29, 2010, 8:05 pm
by Texpat
Pakistan is known the world over for playing both ends against the middle.
Is it a surprise to anyone a Paki would lose a game to make some cash?
It's not surprising to me at all.
They're probably also busy petitioning the world cricket organization for cash infusions to organize minor teams. The cash will vanish into thin air.

When will westerners realize their concept of integrity doesn't exist in other places?

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 29, 2010, 8:06 pm
by BobHelm
Yes, serious head on now Dermot, you are, of course, 100% correct - it should be an honour.
Sadly cricket in the Indian sub-continent has been plagued with rumors of 'interference' by book makers ever since I have watched cricket. The 20-20 IPL has some serious questions to answer at the moment, but I doubt if that will happen -money talks. :(
I know that sport & politics should not mix, but sadly they do... :(
I think it would not be an especially positive move to ban Pakistan from Test cricket - although I agree 100% that anyone would be insane to tour there.

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 29, 2010, 8:18 pm
by DermotC
When will westerners realize their concept of integrity doesn't exist in other places?[/quote]

Unfortunately texpat, Im afraid it doesnt really exist over here now either!

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 29, 2010, 9:30 pm
by Texpat
But to watch international governing bodies -- sports and otherwise -- you'd be led to believe everything the world over was perfectly level.

It's not. To pretend it is is pure fantasy.

These Intl Olympic Committee, United Nations, FIFA idiots live in a fantasy world. They desperately want parity where parity will never exist.

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 30, 2010, 12:14 am
by DermotC
Point taken and fully agree with

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 30, 2010, 11:02 am
by BobHelm
I was very disappointed to see that Amir was one of the bowlers involved in the fiasco.
Only 18 years old & the youngest bowler ever to take 50 Test wickets. Surely had a fantastic cricket career ahead of him. Was the Pakistan player of the series & took wickets consistently.
I watched some of the interview with captain Butt & their manager yesterday. Looked very uncomfortable. Certainly left me with the impression that the taking of money was a systematic thing by the team & not just some dicey individuals cashing in on their own.

Have to surprise myself & say that, for once, I very much agree with what you are saying about sporting world governing bodies Tex. In some the deceit is actually encouraged & manipulated from the very top for their own personal ends. I am not so sure that is necessarily true of the cricketing one, but neither do they offer much positive direction in developing or policing the game either!!

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 30, 2010, 11:26 am
by jackspratt
A pretty reasonable perspective in this column (IMO):
Don't blame players for rotten state of game

CRICKET is rotten to the core.

No one should be surprised that players take dirty money from illegal bookmakers, given the game's administrators cuddle up to corruption.

Before any players are brought to account following the latest damning allegations against members of the Pakistan team, the representatives of the 10 Test-playing countries on the International Cricket Council should be investigated.

This incompetent and, in some cases, despicable rabble are destroying the game................
The rest can be found here http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sp ... 5911608941

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 30, 2010, 2:18 pm
by pienmash
Without wishing to be contoversial or racist in any way my take on this i simple , during the current bad times that Pakistan is going thru seemed like the cricket was one thing that still bonded the masses there , now even thats been tainted with these match fixing allegations , bearing in mind the bowler involved did bowl 3 no balls right on cue how the hell can he not admit the charges ........ i smell a rat curry !!

Am i also the only one who can plainly see why aid from certain parts of the world has been slow or non existant in its arrival to Pakistan ? being the LARGEST exporter of terror to Europe and the USA and calling for all westerners to be killed in attacks ............ DOOOH i think it does effect the mind set of those being asked for aid (cash)............. a simple test if someone knocked on ur door and said were collecting for the foods in Pakistan how many would give ?? i would not , and i beleive a large % of Brits woild be the same , especialy those with relatives involved in Iraq, Afganistan etc............ and now these millitants have said they are gonna attack any aid workers and or people who work with the aid agencies INCLUDING PAKISTANIS .
I realise this is a major humanitarian disater but the memories of all the prvious terrorist attacks all over the world must cloud the aid giving issue.

any how back on topic - this bowler should be banned for life and the other fella jailed IMO .

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 30, 2010, 9:13 pm
by Zidane
Corruption is so rife in Pakistan its just a way of life.
At the news conference yesterday the captain,Salman Butt,would neither confirm nor deny that he knew about these no balls in advance,he just said all his team gave 100% in the match......what sort of reply is that ?? [-X
So,at the very least,it looks like he as well as the two bowlers are implicated.
Dont be surprised if the whole squad and officials knew about it and were going to split the money and dont be surprised if it turns out Pakistan have done this sort of thing a few times this year.

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 30, 2010, 9:33 pm
by Galee
Butt is implicated 100%. He has to make sure that the bowlers who have taken the bung are bowling at the correct time to bowl the "no balls".
Also look at one of the photos in the UK press. He's looking at the bowler as he's bowling the "no ball", instead of looking at the batsmen. Another sure give away that he knew a "no ball" was being bowled then.

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 30, 2010, 9:35 pm
by Galee
Zidane wrote:Corruption is so rife in Pakistan its just a way of life.
Just as well that Thailand don't play test cricket then. :D

Re: Pakis - Match fixing in England Test

Posted: August 30, 2010, 9:47 pm
by MALC
they said they where going to donate all that cash that was on the table to their flood victims.scout;s honour