ClimateGate busts things wide open

[ronan01]

How Arctic ice has made fools of all those poor warmists

Two events last week brought yet further twists to one of the longest-running farces of our modern world. One was the revelation by the European Space Agency that in 2013 and 2014, after years when the volume of Arctic ice had been diminishing, it increased again by as much as 33 per cent. The other was that Canadian scientists studying the effect of climate change on Arctic ice from an icebreaker had to suspend their research, when their vessel was called to the aid of other ships trapped in the thickest summer ice seen in Hudson Bay for 20 years.

"For more than a decade now, the belief that, thanks to global warming, Arctic ice was vanishing has been for the warmists the ultimate poster-child for their cause (along with those “vanishing” polar bears). In 2007, with the aid of scientists such as Wieslaw Maslowski and Peter Wadhams, the BBC and others were telling us that the Arctic would be totally “ice free by 2013” (the Independent even cleared its front page to announce that the ice could all have disappeared within weeks).

But, alas, it just isn’t happening. In recent years there has been more polar ice in the world than at any time since satellite records began in 1979. In the very year they had forecast that the Arctic would be “ice free”, its thickness increased by a third. Polar bear numbers are rising, not falling. Temperatures in Greenland have shown no increase for decades.

The greatest scare story of all simply isn’t turning out as their computer models predicted. And no one has been more dangerously taken in by this silly scare story than the warmists themselves."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/1176 ... mists.html

[GT93]

Apart from the psychopathic representative of the Aussie fossil fuel industry, not much happening in here.

[ronan01]

Apart from the psychopathic representative of the Aussie fossil fuel industry, not much happening in here.

Why its Little Bo Peep! Hows your missus? Baa Baa

[GT93]

Same poster, same old story. He's still living a life of hate and denial ...........

[ronan01]

Same poster, same old story. He's still living a life of hate and denial ...........

Same same dimwit

[GT93]

Same poster, same old story ... Ignore the evidence.

[ronan01]

Same poster, same old story ... Ignore the evidence.

What evidence?

[GT93]

Head in the sand ................

The world has turned and not unexpectedly the loyal representative of the Aussie fossil fuel industry hasn't noticed. Come in America. Come in China. What did you say?

[ronan01]

Head in the sand ................

The world has turned and not unexpectedly the loyal representative of the Aussie fossil fuel industry hasn't noticed. Come in America. Come in China. What did you say?

Is that what you call evidence?

China and India are responsible for about 30% of world CO2 and increasing, and have no intention of stopping, they may consider their position in 2030.

The USA has become a net exporter of carbon based energy thanks to its shale deposits.

Evidence! go back to counting sheep Bo Peep. Clueless

[GT93]

The next year is a big year. Has the inertia been overcome?

[ronan01]

The next year is a big year. Has the inertia been overcome?

What 2017 is a big year? Or do you mean the remainder of 2016?

Inertia - do you know what that means? And how the hell would anybody know if its been overcome, nobody knows what your on about!

Evidence????? Present some.

[rick]

First, selective 'evidence' needs to be seen in the full picture. Sure the Ice in the Arctic increased by 30% over 2 cold years in the Arctic - all undone by one warm winter:

http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2015/03/06/arct ... a-new-low/

And as of end of June this year, it is at it's third lowest:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

I wonder why the deniers are making such a hue and cry about 2013 ice now? Trying to discredit the real news?

Also The El Nino this year will probably set new records ....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/59 ... er-Britain

http://www.weather.com/news/climate/new ... -2015-2016

[ronan01]

First, selective 'evidence' needs to be seen in the full picture. Sure the Ice in the Arctic increased by 30% over 2 cold years in the Arctic - all undone by one warm winter:

http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2015/03/06/arct ... a-new-low/

And as of end of June this year, it is at it's third lowest:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

I wonder why the deniers are making such a hue and cry about 2013 ice now? Trying to discredit the real news?

Also The El Nino this year will probably set new records ....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/59 ... er-Britain

http://www.weather.com/news/climate/new ... -2015-2016

Point is it was supposed to be gone by 2013 according to the EXPERT Prof Wadhams. Its not - another failed prediction.

try this:

Increased Arctic sea ice volume after anomalously low melting in 2013

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop ... o2489.html

And from your own link:

Antarctic sea ice extent remained higher than average.

And what about the polar bears increasing in number.

Not much to worry about, unless your an alarmist

[ronan01]

New computer modeling suggests the Arctic Ocean may be nearly ice-free in summer as early as 2014, Al Gore said today at the U.N. climate conference in Copenhagen 2009.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... bfyTLOqqkp

[GT93]

Good links Rick. Thanks.

[rick]

Yes Ronan; unfortunately their are idiots on both sides of the debate. I only ever extrapolate into the future on what current trends are achieving and on actual results. Although i am sure most computer models are fairly accurate, they are so only as far as there programming is correct. algorithms are accurate, and lastly the data is correct. The old adage, garbage in, garbage out, applies. As a programmer and analyst i lost count of the glaring errors i have spotted in both INPUT and OUTPUT data, which a casual glance would tell you were odd. This has included my incompetent boss using my data about electrical consumption to write a report about energy costs and leaving the decimal point for pence out - it got published and i immediately spotted it was wrong - but when i raised this with his boss was told to 'not rock the boat' - a retraction would be more embarrassing. Stunning? And future investment policy of a 10,000 member organisation used this to justify changing equipment!
An example of climate change policy I'm afraid. It did save energy, but not at an economic cost.

[ronan01]

Yes Ronan; unfortunately their are idiots on both sides of the debate. I only ever extrapolate into the future on what current trends are achieving and on actual results. Although i am sure most computer models are fairly accurate, they are so only as far as there programming is correct. algorithms are accurate, and lastly the data is correct. The old adage, garbage in, garbage out, applies. As a programmer and analyst i lost count of the glaring errors i have spotted in both INPUT and OUTPUT data, which a casual glance would tell you were odd. This has included my incompetent boss using my data about electrical consumption to write a report about energy costs and leaving the decimal point for pence out - it got published and i immediately spotted it was wrong - but when i raised this with his boss was told to 'not rock the boat' - a retraction would be more embarrassing. Stunning? And future investment policy of a 10,000 member organisation used this to justify changing equipment!
An example of climate change policy I'm afraid. It did save energy, but not at an economic cost.

Yes, Garbage In = Garbage Out.

None of the climate models can model the current 20 year pause, yet the same models are the ones being used to predict our demise if we dont stop emitting CO2 NOW.

It is obvious the models are wrong and not fit for purpose.

There has been no warming for about 20 years despite massive increases of CO2, currently over 400ppm, which must be a tad embarrassing to Mr McKibben, founder of 350.org, and who contends we are doomed if CO2 rises over 350 - another failed alarmist prediction.

Also, the demonising of CO2 is a strange thing, especially when C02, or Carbon Dioxide, is referred to as Carbon or Carbon Pollution (especially by the obnoxious and most miserable failure for a PM Australia ever had - Julia Gillard).

Try this from Patrick Moore, co-founder of greenpeace:

The Truth About C02

https://youtu.be/WDWEjSDYfxc

[ronan01]

Study Finds Long Term Solar Cycle and Predicts Cooling

New research claims to have found evidence of long term oscillations in solar activity which span around 9,500 years and affect the climate.

The paper follows research reported this month to the UK Royal Astronomical Society's National Astronomy Meeting in Llandudno, Wales, by physicists who predicted that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the “mini ice age” that began in 1645.

It also follows a Nature Communications paper published in June which stated that solar activity was declining faster than at any time in the last 9,300 years and that there was a 15-20 per cent chance that the Sun will return to the extremely low levels of activity last seen during the time of the “mini ice age”.

http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/ ... oling.html

[ronan01]

Final Report - Australian Senate Committees - Select Committee on Wind Turbines:

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Bus ... nal_Report

Recommendation 1: final
6.5 The committee recommends that an Independent Expert Scientific Committee on Industrial Sound (IESC) be established by law, through provisions similar to those which provide for the Independent Expert Scientific Committee on Coal Seam Gas and Large Coal Mining Development.

Recommendation 4: final
6.15 The committee recommends that a provision be inserted into Renewable Energy (Electricity) Act 2000 stipulating that wind energy generators operating in states that do not require compliance with the National Environment Protection (Wind Turbine Infrasound and Low Frequency Noise) Measure (NEPM) are ineligible to receive Renewable Energy Certificates.

The rest of the recommendations are worth a read.

[ronan01]

Saudi Arabia may go broke before the US oil industry buckles

It is too late for OPEC to stop the shale revolution. The cartel faces the prospect of surging US output whenever oil prices rise

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/oilp ... ckles.html

Shale oil, gas production lead to pollution, global warming: says a study conducted by the Arab Monetary Fund (AMF), a regional Arab financial organisation, established by Arab countries in 1976.

http://timesofoman.com/article/64927/Bu ... ming-Study