Visa (O-A) rules

trubrit wrote:Just an update on the yearly renewal . Did mine today. Immigration used a straight 48bht to the pound to calculate my pension. Confirmed they want a new original embassy letter every year .Three guys in front of me, all had problems . The first was just 30k short in the bank for a marriage extension .Apparently no pension yet . The next didn't have a registered address. Said staying with friends .The third I couldn't grasp his problem, a German . They simply handed his passport back and told him to go to Laos .So while they are very friendly it is obvious they are sticking tightly to the rules . So make sure your paperwork is in order before going . .

TB, I'm going for my first extension using Pension & Cash.
Do they use Gross or Net pension when calculating?
I assume my P60 and Details of the current years pension will be adequate evidence?
Any other info greatfully received.
Cheers
Taff

According to law it should be net income. But it depends what your embassy writes in their letter as Immigration normally does not want to see your actual pension statement from abroad as they cannot read it anyway.

Thanks Guys
Notice of my 2010/11 pension is printed on the back of my P60, includes Gross and Net so I will just have to work out my cash side as if they use Net.
Thanks again for your prompt replies.

The term extensions is in fact everything to do with a Visa O/A, however it seems that as per normal that the bar information ( I use that term to describe info gained from a person in bar ) is wrong or misleading.
I said sometime ago a new letter is required for your pension back in February this year. The letter has always been worked out using gross NOT NET . On a mix situation Cash/Pension, the cash part must be in your account for some time before applying ( as I understand it).
Yes I will concur that the Immigration at the Airport are sticking to the rules religiously and for that we can be gratefull, no sudden changes and they do explain any points quite clearly, it should be noted the days of a person going to immigration hoping they turn a blind eye on a small error is gone, you have to be 100% on your paperwork and your monetary information otherwise they ain't going to grant diddly squat.

Khun Paul wrote:The term extensions is in fact everything to do with a Visa O/A, however it seems that as per normal that the bar information ( I use that term to describe info gained from a person in bar ) is wrong or misleading.
I said sometime ago a new letter is required for your pension back in February this year. The letter has always been worked out using gross NOT NET . On a mix situation Cash/Pension, the cash part must be in your account for some time before applying ( as I understand it).
Yes I will concur that the Immigration at the Airport are sticking to the rules religiously and for that we can be gratefull, no sudden changes and they do explain any points quite clearly, it should be noted the days of a person going to immigration hoping they turn a blind eye on a small error is gone, you have to be 100% on your paperwork and your monetary information otherwise they ain't going to grant diddly squat.

Paul
The info I receive is mixed to say the least, some sites say they use Gross others are saying that they now use Net Pension, I shall have to wait and see (hence my asking Truebrit who has done it so recently)
As to the cash part again I understand that if using the combination method cash & pension, cash does not have to be there for 2/3 months as per the 800,000 in bank method.

Thats what I figured I will have to do, I've asked my Pension Provider to send me a pension statement with only the gross figure on it, whether they do remains to be seen.
Thanks again.

Khun Paul wrote:The term extensions is in fact everything to do with a Visa O/A, however it seems that as per normal that the bar information ( I use that term to describe info gained from a person in bar ) is wrong or misleading.
I said sometime ago a new letter is required for your pension back in February this year. The letter has always been worked out using gross NOT NET . On a mix situation Cash/Pension, the cash part must be in your account for some time before applying ( as I understand it).
Yes I will concur that the Immigration at the Airport are sticking to the rules religiously and for that we can be gratefull, no sudden changes and they do explain any points quite clearly, it should be noted the days of a person going to immigration hoping they turn a blind eye on a small error is gone, you have to be 100% on your paperwork and your monetary information otherwise they ain't going to grant diddly squat.

This statement is incorrect. The English translation of the Thai law says clearly that the income/tax whatever sum required is NET. There is of no interest to the Thailand how much tax is retained in your home country. But, as I also said, what your embassy writes in their letter is another matter,
It is also incorrect that by using the combined method income+bank money to reach 800.000 bht, there is no time the money has to be in your bank before.
Thisis not appllicable if your basis is on marriage with a thai.

To clarify a small point, maybe the Thai law does ask for NET however most pensions letters I see state gross, therefore the money calculated is in fact gross. Tax paid i this or that country are subject to personal and country differences and as I understand it as the UK and Thailand at least have a tax agreement, therefore Thailand cannot ask for tax on your pension and the Uk cannot ask for tax on any earnings you may makle here. hence although gross is possible in true legal terms wrong it is taken as the norm that gross is used, I have never been questioned about it, the Embassy sends the letter I give it to the Immigration, to have 800000 net would mean I earn almost a third more , as a pensioner ????