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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by SJP17 » February 17, 2019, 10:16 pm

arjay wrote:
February 17, 2019, 7:54 pm
SJP17 wrote:
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arjay wrote:
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After 15 years in Thailand, 7 of which were in Phuket, 1 in Udon and the last 7 in Nong Khai, I relocated back to the UK in 2015, and have been visiting LOS about once a year since.

I am thinking, as I have no ties to LOS whether there are any countries with similar characteristics that I could visit or stay for periods of up to 3 months, instead. I have researched and considered Vietnam, Cambodia, the PI's and Malaysia, and have I think rejected those for the usual reasons,- lack of infrastructure, safety, medical facilities etc. (I have read Bob's reviews of some of those places with interest, thanks).

Ideally I would be looking for a warm+ climate, friendly natives, particularly the female ones, a low cost of living (good exchange rate to the £, - if there is anywhere left now that doesn't have a stronger x rate than sterling!!) and preferably easy to get there, I detest long haul flights.

Does a suitable place still exist? (Sensible replies only please).
Did you just get fed up with Thailand ?
SJP, It was primarily a case of health issues, and not being able to get to the bottom of them in Thailand, along with the prospect of old age approaching and health issues that arise with that. Other factors included, having reached age 65 and receiving a UK state pension, I would not receive the annual increases if I continued to live in Thailand. There was also a touch of anxiety/insecurity creeping in, from things like having to drive myself to hospital when ill (Nong Khai to Udon), not to mention the varying bureaucratic requirements of visa extensions (and which hoop am I to jump through this year!). The poor exchange rate. Plus I didn't want to finish my days in a bar. So I decided to reverse the situation, relocate back to the UK, where I now have a base, and then visit Thailand, as and when. I brought my wife back with me. (But, yes, it is a long and cold winter here!)
Sound move then and you can enjoy holidays with your wife when required sort out health issues free and less stress will improve your well being.

Yes the issues you covered are very important to many i can imagine health care being number 1 though current exchange rates must really be putting the squeeze on some expats.

Which is making me consider going for health care insurance for later down the road when i retire.
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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by arjay » February 17, 2019, 10:54 pm

SJP17 wrote:Sound move then and you can enjoy holidays with your wife when required sort out health issues free and less stress will improve your well being.

Yes the issues you covered are very important to many i can imagine health care being number 1 though current exchange rated must really be puuting the squeeze on some expats.

Which is making me consider going for health care insurance for later down the road when i retire.
SJP, Yes, there are some prescription items that (3 years back @50bt to £1) cost about £100 in Thailand, and that I am not charged for in the UK.

One of the frustrations living back in the UK with an Asian wife, is that she needs a visa to go to any European country, (at least until she has been here 5+ years and has obtained British citizenship). Obtaining a Schengen visa entails a pre-booked appointment at the appropriate Embassy in London, which from where we live necessitates about 4 hours travel each way and an overnight stay in London, - all which adds up to the cost of a holiday to a European destination! Thus we tend to be forced to travel to the Far East destinations where there are no visa issues, or of course stay here. That was where the references to Cape Verde islands and Gambia and came from. She can get a visa on arrival in those places.

Though at C 37 baht to £1 currently, it tends to be a disincentive to go anywhere other than Gibraltar or the Channel Islands!!

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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by 747man » February 17, 2019, 11:02 pm

arjay wrote:
February 17, 2019, 10:54 pm
SJP17 wrote:Sound move then and you can enjoy holidays with your wife when required sort out health issues free and less stress will improve your well being.

Yes the issues you covered are very important to many i can imagine health care being number 1 though current exchange rated must really be puuting the squeeze on some expats.

Which is making me consider going for health care insurance for later down the road when i retire.
SJP, Yes, there are some prescription items that (3 years back @50bt to £1) cost about £100 in Thailand, and that I am not charged for in the UK.

One of the frustrations living back in the UK with an Asian wife, is that she needs a visa to go to any European country, (at least until she has been here 5+ years and has obtained British citizenship). Obtaining a Schengen visa entails a pre-booked appointment at the appropriate Embassy in London, which from where we live necessitates about 4 hours travel each way and an overnight stay in London, - all which adds up to the cost of a holiday to a European destination! Thus we tend to be forced to travel to the Far East destinations where there are no visa issues, or of course stay here. That was where the references to Cape Verde islands and Gambia and came from. She can get a visa on arrival in those places.

Though at C 37 baht to £1 currently, it tends to be a disincentive to go anywhere other than Gibraltar or the Channel Islands!!
I Know it's Sh*t, But It's Still just about 40 Baht to the Pound Here Richard,Is it ONLY 37 There ??

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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by glalt » February 18, 2019, 8:51 am

Some think the simple answer is to get Thai health insurance. Obviously you have not tried that route. When you hit 65 years old, the premiums would make you choke. That's if you could even get health insurance. I had insurance for a number of years and my policy stated that they could never cancel me because of age. There was no mention of pricing me out, which they did. I am now self insured.

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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by yartims » March 11, 2019, 6:15 pm

tamada wrote:
February 12, 2019, 10:39 am
The Gambia
apparently the Gambia has fallen off in terms of chummy women who wont leave you alone ..dunno whats happened ..time was when elderly gents with a bad leg were seen with hot babes wandering the streets doing the old GFE :shock: :D
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Faraday wrote:
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Merthyr Tydfil.....

It's in south Wales UK.

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haha might as well recommend canvey island
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Post by hairyharry » March 11, 2019, 6:21 pm

Kings Holiday Camp no less

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Post by 747man » March 11, 2019, 7:04 pm

I Believe Jaywick Sands is Quite Nice.....

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Post by saint » March 13, 2019, 1:42 pm

Damascus is cheap at the moment .

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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by 747man » March 13, 2019, 5:34 pm

saint wrote:
March 13, 2019, 1:42 pm
Damascus is cheap at the moment .
So Is Caracas Doug..... :lol:

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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by Jhonny » April 20, 2019, 1:22 am

Vietnam is a really great place.I have just been there for two weeks. It is a beautiful country with some of the most friendliest people I met in SEA. The cost of living is also very reasonable as mentioned by fdimike above. Da Nang is a nice city.

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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by Canman63 » April 24, 2019, 10:09 pm

Just returned from danang, nicest city I have seen in 9 years in Asia. By far, clean, cheap, great people, easy visa( no 800k), international airport, 20 mile beach, river and boardwalk in the city centre, beautiful woman. $1 beer. Great expat and tourist base, no rift raft. The country actually wNts us there, unlike Thailand. Weather is fabulous also.
Goodbye Thailand.!!!!!!!

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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by TicToc » April 25, 2019, 9:55 am

Canman 63
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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by DuiDui49 » April 25, 2019, 12:15 pm

Canman63 wrote:
April 24, 2019, 10:09 pm
Just returned from danang, nicest city I have seen in 9 years in Asia. By far, clean, cheap, great people, easy visa( no 800k), international airport, 20 mile beach, river and boardwalk in the city centre, beautiful woman. $1 beer. Great expat and tourist base, no rift raft. The country actually wNts us there, unlike Thailand. Weather is fabulous also.
Goodbye Thailand.!!!!!!!
easy visa
what kind of VISA is "easy"?Retirement VISA or Tourist VISA?

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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by tamada » April 25, 2019, 1:30 pm

yartims wrote:
March 11, 2019, 6:15 pm
tamada wrote:
February 12, 2019, 10:39 am
The Gambia
..time was when elderly gents with a bad leg were seen with hot babes wandering the streets doing the old GFE :shock: :D
Could have sworn I witnessed the very same on Soi Sampan just last month while filling my pie hole at Harry's Handlebar. One athletic chap was observed simply hurtling towards the Viking Bar on his zimmer.

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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by the-monk » April 25, 2019, 1:40 pm

[quote=Canman63 post_id=542278 time=1556118573 user_id=50506]
Just returned from danang, nicest city I have seen in 9 years in Asia. By far, clean, cheap, great people, easy visa( no 800k), international airport, 20 mile beach, river and boardwalk in the city centre, beautiful woman. $1 beer. Great expat and tourist base, no rift raft. The country actually wNts us there, unlike Thailand. Weather is fabulous also.
Goodbye Thailand.!!!!!!!
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I like Da Nang, clean ??? no .... Easy visa...,??? . Great expat community ??? Would you please provide explanations....
Have a nice hot day....if in UD....

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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by tamada » April 25, 2019, 2:21 pm

DuiDui49 wrote:
April 25, 2019, 12:15 pm
Canman63 wrote:
April 24, 2019, 10:09 pm
Just returned from danang, nicest city I have seen in 9 years in Asia. By far, clean, cheap, great people, easy visa( no 800k), international airport, 20 mile beach, river and boardwalk in the city centre, beautiful woman. $1 beer. Great expat and tourist base, no rift raft. The country actually wNts us there, unlike Thailand. Weather is fabulous also.
Goodbye Thailand.!!!!!!!
easy visa
what kind of VISA is "easy"?Retirement VISA or Tourist VISA?
Vietnam is very nice; been working there off and on since 2005. Da Nang has an increasingly good name, more so since the former coastal jewel at Nha Trang, despite having massive but well organized construction and being cleaner than anything Thailand can offer, has become large, crass with a fair helping of stroppy Russians and messy Chinese. Even the back-packers are giving it the body swerve. I just visited Cam Ranh where a lot of the 'build it and they will come' plots of land among the sand dunes from 5 years ago are now showing all sorts of 5-star digs. The golf course is supposed to be very good as well.

Regarding visa, the only thing that's easy is the Tourist visa which can be even easier for a select 9 European nationalities who can get a 15-day visa-exempt entry with only proof of a return ticket. They are included in this list of all visa-free nationalities. Note that the 15-day, visa exempt entry has a 30-day block in that you can't use this method again until 30 days has elapsed from the previous visa-exempt entry. However, a visa or visa on arrival is acceptable within that 30-day block. One could juggle, visa-exempt, visa and visa-on-arrival for long(ish) stays over multiple entries. More trouble than it's worth IMHO. Otherwise, get a single-entry Tourist visa and you have 30-days to explore or get a multi-entry Tourist visa and you have 90-days/entry to explore.
visa-free vietnam.jpg
Vietnam visa exempt nationalities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Vietnam

I understand that Americans have the following choices for visas.

•One month, single-entry: You are allowed one entry into Vietnam and your stay may last up to one month.
•One month, multiple-entry: You are allowed to enter and exit Vietnam several times within a one month period.
•Three months, single-entry: You are allowed one entry into Vietnam and your stay may last up to three months.
•Three months, multiple-entry: You are allowed to enter and exit Vietnam several times within a three-month period.
•Six months, multiple-entry: You are allowed to enter and exit Vietnam several times within a six-month period. You may only stay up to 3 months per entry.
•One year, multiple-entry: You may enter and exit Vietnam several times within a one-year period. You may only stay up to 3 months per entry.

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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by Canman63 » April 25, 2019, 8:53 pm

I had a tourist visa, and got an extension easily. Yes danang is very clean, they have workers pruning , cleaning the boardwalk along the ocean, expats you can actually carry on a conversation with, something Thailand lacks.far more value for my money. Several teachers were in town from Chang Mai, they all agreed danang was a jewel compared to Thailand.
They made the move upon returning to Thailand. Udon Thani leaves something to be desired, it really isn't a very nice place to be, let's be honest.
Danang rocks.

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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by tamada » April 26, 2019, 10:42 am

^ Easy visa extension compared with? Can you share the procedures, costs and limitations?

Not sure where you're hanging out in Udon if the 'expat conversation' is lacking. You certainly haven't met me and my clique of like-minded, refined, enlightened, educated, eloquent, beer swilling, been-there, done-that, noob-disparaging, know-it-all snobs.

Chiang Mai teachers. Now THERE'S a glowing endorsement, eh?

By all means blow your trumpet about Danang; it is an exceptionally nice place but please leave the 'Jewel of Isaan' and why it doesn't float your boat out of it.

BTW, here's a quick squizz at the comparative cost of living.
udon thani v da nang.jpg
same-same but different...

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Re: Alternatives to Thailand

Post by Raoul Duke » April 26, 2019, 11:25 am

tamada wrote:
April 26, 2019, 10:42 am
BTW, here's a quick squizz at the comparative cost of living.
udon thani v da nang.jpg
Where is this data from?
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