Giggle wrote: ↑

November 11, 2017, 4:27 pm

Do you know the author, Henry Gates? He is the authority on American slavery. You will not find a better source than Gates. Poor deflection. Try harder.

No deflection attempted; I don't have a horse in this race. I know exactly who Dr. Gates is (and he lives about ½ mile from me in Cambridge, Massachusetts). He is, indeed, a respected scholar. And his opinion has great validity; although if he really does disagree with what the U.S. Census has reported, then some further analysis may be indicated.

In any case, I didn't mention Dr Gates; my comment was directed at the publication cited, the Federal Observer (and Jeff Bennett indirectly). Given that Dr. Gates' article is widely available from numerous respected sources, I thought it interesting that the Observer was the source cited. It's hardly known as a scholarly and objective publication.

BobHelm wrote: ↑

November 11, 2017, 7:49 pm

Between 1600 & 1800 the world population increased from 580 Million to 890 million - an increase of 53% & you are trying to say that an increase from 380,000 to 3,950,000 (1,000 %) is natural??

Slaves began arriving in the British colonies in the early 1600s. All the offspring they produced there are not included in importation figures. Do you see where your logic has fallen off the rails?

http://www.slaverysite.com/Body/facts%2 ... igures.htm

Pay close attention to the last chart.

I am sorry Giggle you are have to go & do this again for me..
So, what figure are you now saying of slaves were imported into the USA from when ??
I am merely taking YOUR figures & projecting them from the census reports?
Are you now saying one is wrong??
I am interested because the figures you have quoted just don't add up..
If you are now saying that some of your figures are wrong - then say which...
It is still 1000% increase in population - which is ridiculous!!
Please explain??

Oh f***k you really are not suggesting that slaves came in as Immigrants (as the White population increase is done) are you Giggles??

Ha, ha that is just so funny - I see where you got your ID from..

388,000 to 4,000,000. It's spelled out for you.

Fewer than half a million. Hardly worth mentioning.

Giggle wrote: ↑

November 11, 2017, 10:11 pm

388,000 to 4,000,000. It's spelled out for you.

Fewer than half a million. Hardly worth mentioning.

Ah so no answer to anything then..
Why I am not surprised??

You're not having much luck there Vlad. The thread has got stuck back in time.

Since the fuss in the US about the confederate symbols, there's been a bit of a discussion about cringe-worthy historical monuments in my country (NZ). It seems they will remain but will have an additional modern plaque added to them. There are too often issues with the original plaque.

I would guess white supremacists who think they're entitled to kill have a few psychological issues. It's hardly indicative of a pleasant or successful life.

Giggle wrote: ↑

November 11, 2017, 4:27 pm

Do you know the author, Henry Gates? He is the authority on American slavery. You will not find a better source than Gates. Poor deflection. Try harder.

Henry Louis Gates and his work was the centerpiece of a Black American Literature class in my master's degree program. Gates compiled and edited a universally accepted work titled The Classic Slave Narratives. Based on what I know of his works and of his background, I would consider him to be an authority.

Gates also came under heavy fire from Black activists for being honest about the origination of slavery, which was carried out by Africans against Africans for profit. The man is honest.

Regarding this census debate, I would point out that those interested should read up on "The Three-Fifths Compromise" to learn the motivation for Southern States artificially inflating slave numbers.

Aside from that, I did notice on one of the census documents produced in this thread that only 8% of families in America owned slaves. That falls in line with just about every text and source that I have ever read or seen in my almost three decades of teaching.

So you are happy to accept as true a census document that says slave ownership was highly restricted to a few families but believe that census material that says your view is incorrect is fraudulent, Lone Star??

Why am I totally unsurprised by that??

It is good that you still don't worry about facts interfering with your view of the world...

there's no doubt that a small percentage of southerners actually owned slaves. What you can't forget though is a huge amount of the Southern Economy was based on slave labor. That tied in plenty of the population who didn't own slaves.

The upshot is that no-one should feel ashamed to be white. In fact, white people should be proud of their accomplishments if you get my drift.

By the way, I find little difference between the tactics pursued by white supremacists, black lives matter and the radical leftists, who are beholden to Mao and Stalin.

Laan Yaa Mo wrote: ↑

November 12, 2017, 10:27 am

By the way, I find little difference between the tactics pursued by white supremacists, black lives matter and the radical leftists, who are beholden to Mao and Stalin.

They are also share the fact that they are an extremely small minority of the populations that they claim to represent and struggle to gain much acceptance due to their intolerant and violent threats and activities. They are making the same mistakes of US labor unions in the early 20th century.

A couple of white supremacists are no more representative of all white Americans than the terrorist BLM are representative of all black Americans.

The video is a hoot. That journalist needs to fire his tailor. And have a word with his dentist. I would consider that a disreputable source of news and respectfully ask the moderators to remove it from this forum -- like they did with my link to Dr. Gates scholarly work.

Mod.: If you're going to accuse us of over-moderating, at least try to get it right. The link to Dr. Gates' work is still exactly where you put it, in the 12th post in this thread.

Giggle wrote: ↑

November 11, 2017, 11:38 am

Of the 12 million Africans who were transplanted to the New World by Britain, Spain and Portugal, no more than 6 percent—around 400,000—went to the Northern Hemisphere. Almost all of them went to South America. Those Britons sure have a lot to answer for.

At the peak of slavery in the South, just 6% of Southern whites owned slaves. If you include the North, it means just 1.4% of white Americans owned slaves at the HEIGHT of slavery. It's hardly worth mentioning.

Humm you have cherry picked your data

The 1860 data shows that of the states that owned slaves the average percentage of families owning slave is about 25%

In The 1790 census of the 16 states the percentage of slaves is 17% of the population
In the 1860 data of the 15 states listed the percentage of slaves is 32% of the population

The origin of the people held in slavery is almost irrelevant. In fact the captive breeding programs were even worse and more degrading in many ways.

Hardly worth mentioning!!!

As Flying High, LA, 12345 points out yes we have the group's here 2, that are now banned the big Difference is One of our white supremacist's wannabees wouldn't walk into a Church and shoot Black Woman and kids then Drape himself in a Union Jack Flag, Unlike as Devon Kelly did in the first Baptist Church shooting when he thought it was acceptable covering himself in a confederate flag big Difference.

What are you on about Vlad?

There are many blatant racist crimes & indeed murders in the EU & the UK everyday.

I deplore the rise of violent crime in the U.K. much (most of the rise) of it is drug related.

While the violent crime rate is rising in the UK and some of it is due to race prejudice we have a very long way to go before getting anywhere near the USA levels.

Most days ( taking an average) see 1.5 murders in the UK however the majority are not race related

Conversely the USA with about 5 times the population has a murder rate of 47.2 or 30 times greater per head.

Now of course that rate includes infants shooting their parents and each other, but it is much more probable that race murders (or multiple race murders) happen every day in the us than in the U.K.

The extreme difference is that virtually all the people of African or West Indian origin in the U.K. came to make life better for themselves, they were not forced to make life better for their masters. Little inherited resentment

The majority of murders by weapons in the U.S.A. is a result of blacks killing blacks. Look at the murder rates in places like Memphis, Chicago and so on during a week and you will see the blm has a lot of work to do ridding the black gangs of guns; however, I do not think it is part of their agenda to do so. Crime within black communities is deplorable and a real tragedy. Why is no-one talking about this? If you want to hang your head and cry about the large number of blacks who die through violence do so,but do not shy away from the fact that it is a problem created within black communities. White people are not responsible for this. Black people are through a lack of leadership, no sympathy for their fellow citizens and, it seems, no sense of responsibility for their actions.

One does not see murders like this on a weekly basis, for instance, in white or Asian communities. Why?

Laan Yaa Mo wrote: ↑

November 13, 2017, 9:41 am

The majority of murders by weapons in the U.S.A. is a result of blacks killing blacks. Look at the murder rates in places like Memphis, Chicago and so on during a week and you will see the blm has a lot of work to do ridding the black gangs of guns; however, I do not think it is part of their agenda to do so. Crime within black communities is deplorable and a real tragedy. Why is no-one talking about this? If you want to hang your head and cry about the large number of blacks who die through violence do so,but do not shy away from the fact that it is a problem created within black communities. White people are not responsible for this. Black people are through a lack of leadership, no sympathy for their fellow citizens and, it seems, no sense of responsibility for their actions.

One does not see murders like this on a weekly basis, for instance, in white or Asian communities. Why?

FACTS.


90% of murders of Black Americans are committed by other Black Americans. Whitey isn't riding in pickups through Black neighborhoods and killing innocent Black people, but the progressive media would have you believe it; and I think some of those believers are in this thread.

https://youtu.be/bu0dbCWg_YI
Racial Crime Statistics

Why don't the YouTube videos post anymore within the youtube brackets? What's the new trick?