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Re: Bye Bye Elephant Bar

Post by pal52 » October 8, 2018, 1:14 pm

macca46 wrote:
October 8, 2018, 11:53 am
Study the law then we will see who is right and who is wrong, until then shut up you F/Wit.
You should study the law if you want to insult people.

There has been a law for more than 30 years about it being illegal for people to ride in the back of Pick-Up trucks unless they have a Govt. approved roll cage fitted such as the local taxis.

More people have been killed by accidents travelling in the back of Pick-Ups than being killed by secondary smoke in Thailand.

The Government know it happens every Holiday Period and every day but have publicly said it is OK.

If you do not want to visit Restaurant/Bars which allow smoking in open air areas do not go to them as Vince does.

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Re: Bye Bye Elephant Bar

Post by macca46 » October 8, 2018, 5:15 pm

If you must know Sport I gave up smoking years ago but two years ago after having a CT Scan here in Udon was diagnosed with Chronic Emphysema even inhaling second hand smoke affects my lungs.

If you need proof I can furnish you with the hospital report for your cynicism.

At the moment I am very close to having permanent oxygen.

I been to your bar once.

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Re: Bye Bye Elephant Bar

Post by pal52 » October 8, 2018, 6:02 pm

macca46 wrote:
October 8, 2018, 5:15 pm
If you must know Sport I gave up smoking years ago but two years ago after having a CT Scan here in Udon was diagnosed with Chronic Emphysema even inhaling second hand smoke affects my lungs.

If you need proof I can furnish you with the hospital report for your cynicism.
At the moment I am very close to having permanent oxygen.
I been to your bar once.
So what do you want sympathy.
That is no excuse for being nasty & telling people to check the laws when you were wrong.
A bar or Restaurant is not a Public Place it is a building which is privately owned.
it is not a government building or a railway station for example.

Do not go to bars /Restaurant's which allow smoking in open areas as Vince does.

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Re: Bye Bye Elephant Bar

Post by macca46 » October 8, 2018, 6:09 pm

I would suggest that you should also read the laws which were legislated here in Thailand in 2008, I will guarantee you I am not wrong.

I am not looking for sympathy just stating my case.

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Re: Bye Bye Elephant Bar

Post by joudon » October 8, 2018, 7:53 pm

Why do you not go back to the country that you came from. Nanny state, PC controlled ,cannot do this or that. I enjoy Udon for the reason of real freedom of choice. I have NEVER smoked in my life, but smoking in any pubs or bars never bothered me . I would rather have people allowed to smoke in pubs rather than lose pubs altogether. As for the Elephant bar, open to the wind on 2 sides, and an excellent friendly venue. I doubt you will be missed.

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Re: Bye Bye Elephant Bar

Post by vincemunday » October 8, 2018, 8:11 pm

Actually guys, macca46 isn't a bad bloke and although it's his right not to eat or drink in places that allow smoking he's not put his case forward as he meant to. Smoking is a VERY emotive subject, some like me find it very offensive and some people aren't bothered by it, personally I don't give a sod what the law says, I choose not to eat or drink where they allow smoking and it's the restaurant owners choice which way they decide to go, pretty rich from an ex 60 a day man eh! I agree though there are one or two keyboard warriors on this thread but macca46 isn't one of them.
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Re: Bye Bye Elephant Bar

Post by mech_401 » October 9, 2018, 12:56 am

if go into a bar/ sports bar I would expect smoke
they aren't making any money on food I don't think

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Re: Bye Bye Elephant Bar

Post by vincemunday » October 9, 2018, 7:23 am

I'm pretty confident there aren't many beer bars in Udon making much of a living despite the crow of some of the owners, beers are usually very cheap and when you go down places like Day and Night, if it's not empty it's full of born again teenagers supping their half pint drooling at the not so pretty girls. There are some exceptions but my guess is that some of the family style restaurants beat them hands down and I'm 100% confident that a lot of the beer bars that cater mainly for Thai people are in a different league completely, Yok Yai the one we go to is usually rammed 7 days a week full of people eating and drinking "pros", the Farang customers don't even figure with them. Oh by the by, they don't allow smoking in or near the bar, you have to walk across the road to have a cigarette, none of the smokers moan they just do it as a matter of course.
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Re: Bye Bye Elephant Bar

Post by GT93 » October 9, 2018, 3:03 pm

mech_401 wrote:
October 9, 2018, 12:56 am
if go into a bar/ sports bar I would expect smoke
they aren't making any money on food I don't think
I wouldn't go into a bar or restaurant where it looked liked like I'd be hit by cigarette smoke. If I saw someone smoking inside, I'd walk straight out. The same with someone smoking so nearby that smoke was drifting in. That can be a problem even in farangland.

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Re: Bye Bye Elephant Bar

Post by Giggle » October 10, 2018, 12:07 am

I can put up with anyone if they're interesting. I've never smoked, but grew up with two parents who did. If someone has something interesting to say, I might suppress my aversion to smoke to have a listen. I don't suffer fools.

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Re: Bye Bye Elephant Bar

Post by papafarang » October 10, 2018, 5:44 am

here's the bad news , as an ex smoker I now know I can smell cigarettes at 20M , it don't bother me. there are plenty of other foul smells to enjoy in Thailand too, a good plate of somtam has the aroma of rotting rubbish and 3 day old unwashed a@@hole as far as i'm concerned. smoking should not be allowed in enclosed spaces , like farting you should go outside to do it. anyone running a bar/eatery should make arrangements for all it's customers, smokers and non smokers.
by the way , there is nothing worse than an ex smoker bitching about smoke, and if cigarette smoke is the best you got to moan about then you better never leave your house.. or move to Finland if it's that bad
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Re: Bye Bye Elephant Bar

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » October 10, 2018, 8:52 am

Smoking does not provide any benefits to anyone on the planet. Ban it from the face of the Earth, forever !
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Re: Bye Bye Elephant Bar

Post by hairyharry » October 10, 2018, 9:08 am

Depends

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Re: Bye Bye Elephant Bar

Post by papafarang » October 10, 2018, 9:43 am

Laan Yaa Mo wrote:
October 10, 2018, 8:52 am
Smoking does not provide any benefits to anyone on the planet. Ban it from the face of the Earth, forever !
phillip morris and 100,000 of share holders would disagree with that statement. I try now to encourage people to stop smoking , bitching at them don't help, encouraging them does. I feel it's the responsibility of governments to help people quit. just putting taxes up is shirking their responsibility .they take the tax ,they should pay to clean up the mess they should have done 60 years ago. the best way is to stop people starting in the first place. Raise the age limit by one year every year and make people show ID to buy them, in 20 years from now you would have to be 38 years old to buy them and in 50 years no more smokers
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Elephant Bar - A Great Place for Food & Drinks

Post by tamada » October 10, 2018, 9:47 am

So, in summing up, is this thread yet another stitch up of a regular Udon farang bar owners business or a legitimate gripe about smoking in other bars and restaurants?

Since the suggested list of places for smokers to avoid still hasn't been put up by any of the usual bellyachers, the title of the thread stands as an incorrect and improper reference to the actual complaint of the (no-longer responsive) OP. So I've taken the one-off opportunity of changing the title just for this post.

The Elephant Bar is OPEN AIR with FANS and a great social venue with very good food. If a waft of ciggy smoke gets on your tits, you'll have a gay old time when I drop by an light up a stogie. As a special favor though, I'll wait until the food you ordered has been placed on the table before firing up.

I guess the upside of a specific 'clean air dining venue' thread (that STILL hasn't been created BTW), will be the broad notification of the very few places where all the namby pamby, limp-wristed, perpetually gurning, legends in their own lunchtime farangs hang out, swap notes on who's saying what on which forum, how much they drop on a tab, just how simply bloody wonderful they are and how most clever bar owners would be a fool not to want them as a regular paying customer.
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