Here is my opinion, and I am sure many will not agree. That is what makes this fun for all of us.
Starting with the bar girls vs. Pattaya. Pattaya girls give super service and pretend to enjoy everything the farang says and does. In other words, they give value for money because there is too much competition. Udon bar girls give as little as possible, show little appreciation, and the service is poor. As far as Udon ladies go, here is a story. I have a Thai friend who has a website of Udon ladies looking for farang. These ladies are older, some not poor, and all are from the countryside. In the interview, he asked all 18 why they wanted a farang. All 18 said,”Money.” No problem here, that is the way of the world. But in the old days you got value for money, and things were not so up front.

You said :I don't mind to spend more than the lady who is with me as I know I should have more money than her,but it can get annoying if I should pay everything to be seeing only as an ATM machine(even if she spread her legs..that's not the point)

In LOS, (land of smiles) it is expected and the custom for the farang to pay for everything. There are very few exceptions to this. Get used to being seen as an ATM machine. It is the custom for men to pay in most places in the world, only more so in LOS. Sharing expenses with a Thai girl is something new to me. I have many friends with successful relationships. All husbands need to have tight control on the money, with solid rules. That is the only way it can work. IMHO, the Golden Age to find a Thai wife was 10 to 15 years ago. Now is the Golden Age for sex. Pattaya is full of super, exotic, gorgeous, great girls who know how to please farang and give value for money.

As for attitude, go and see for yourself. My friends and I agree that Atitude is a problem with most Udon ladies, but, sure you may find a good one. Obviously not everyone is bad. Two words of advice: Remember that in LOS NOTHING is ever as it seems. And, my friend, be very very careful. My bet is that you are heading for a very painful experience.

Monaliza

If you look outside the bar scene, u might be suprised.

Ur post seems very sterotyped IMO

Seemingly looking through the wrong end of the telescope, must be the distance from PI and greener fields.

A bank or a hospital is tops for single flange,,,in my humble opinion

pienmash wrote:A bank or a hospital is tops for single flange,,,in my humble opinion

or the small soi 2 adunyadhet rd near to chern chim .

Even the second time around grasshopper.

As for attitude, go and see for yourself. My friends and I agree that Atitude is a problem with most Udon ladies, but, sure you may find a good one. Obviously not everyone is bad. Two words of advice: Remember that in LOS NOTHING is ever as it seems. And, my friend, be very very careful. My bet is that you are heading for a very painful experience.

You don't say then why do you seem to be in udon then, your post is very , how can one say it politely, anti Udon ladies, there that was the polite version the other version is ............................a life, and stop boring us with your puerile posts.

Thank you Paul, that is an excellent idea. I did not realize that I posted twice. I definitely will not post anything again.

...and stop boring us with your puerile posts.

IMO, monaliza's post's are very insightful.

I'm reminded of the movie "A Few Good Men" and this particular exchange:

Kaffee: I want the truth!
Col. Jessep: [shouts] You can’t handle the truth!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104257/quotes

Back to topic...
ejwalk, once again...have fun , there are good ladies to be found everywhere in Thailand. And, that is where your fun will be...in your quest . IMO

monaliza, I for one think your postings on this matter are interesting. K. Paul represents only himself when he tell you to stop posting, not the rest of us.
What did Mickael Jackson sing... "dont let one bad apple spoil the whole tree" or something like that.

plien wrote:monaliza, I for one think your postings on this matter are interesting.........

Interesting ................ now there is an interesting word

hmm this post turned into a lively discussion ..very good what is the name of thai friends website monaliza ? ..


thanks

pompui wrote: Maybe the best place for you would be Mr Tongs,they have quality,

On the subject of Mr Tongs, yes i agree you do get some good looking women in there, but not all are single.
My wife occasionally likes a "girls night out" with her friends and sometimes end up at Mr T's. Inevitably some guys come and try and chat to her. I understand this, it's a bar/disco where people go to meet, but she does get frustrated with the farang who can't take the hint despite the "sorry not interested" and flashing the wedding ring. Many farang think that just because they can flash the cash they are Gods gift to women. They are not. No means no and guys trying to meet a women should respect this.

Perhaps they really believe all those girls who call out "hello sexy man" or "Hello handsum man",

can we stereotype?

Gold ear-ring, necklace (either gold or fake seashell- usually white), fake 'designer' t-shirt (or singha/Laos/Red bull t-shirt), beer belly, held up with one of those small pouch bags on a belt, bermuda shorts, sandals and the oh so important white socks.

Makes a few geriatric type 'moves' on the dance floor and thereby believes that every girl in the place with a pulse will be falling over themsleves just to be with this 'adonis' - because he is a farang (and that is about ALL he has in his favour)

Never mind - if he fails to pull in there - he can always go to the G/F of the complex tomorrow.

Were they to try the same back in their home countries - the response would surely go something like
"F***k off Grandad you dirty old Pervert".


Back to the post:
Perhaps the OP should be directed towards the D&N area (or similar) where he might find what he is looking for (and somethings he is not too !)- and they really don't mind about white socks too

One of the wonderful things about LOS is that there is something and someone for everybody. Paul’s friend above can take home the most stunning bar girl in Pattaya -IF he has the money, and he can keep her as his house pet IF he has the money. This is SEA and this is the custom and it has been this way for hundreds of years. Those with money will have access to cheap labor, servants, and women and men if that is their choice. Well, I am one of those geriatric dudes, and I can still dance and get whatever girl I want, if she needs money. I also lift weights, have trained with Marco, and do a total 1000 sit-ups and leg raises every day.

My first criteria for a new lady is that I must be at least 35 years older than her mother. Taking offense at this is taking offense at the culture and customs of Thailand and SEA. My wife is gorgeous and 22, and from a very, very poor family who often had not enough to eat. Those who criticize the Old Man with the young lady do not understand that now her father has a buffalo, and a new motorcycle. One sister is in Uni, and the other is always no.1 in her class but now will have the opportunity to become a doctor.

Before, old age garnered respect from the young, but this is hardly true with today’s Wailoon (teen agers).Grand dad may be considered an Old Pervert in USA, but this is NOT the USA and this why many of us are here. I accept things as they are in the culture and country I live in. I been in SEA for many years, I speak Thai and Lao. I am a Buddhist and follow Buddhist teachings. (Thailand is really not a country that follows the teachings of the Lord Buddha).

Guys who are in their fifties or forties that think the young Thai girls are more attracted to them than the Old Fart, may be quite mistaken. The girls and women of Thailand are with farang because they need security. If you think that that is not true, just stop the money. But do not be hard on LOS ladies; their lot is difficult and there are no safety nets. Women with Thai children have very little chance of finding a new Thai man, and if they find one and the woman has daughters, the daughters may be at risk.

I understand that all may not agree with my posts and that some will take offense. I mean no offense to anyone, and I am certainly not positive that all of my ideas are correct: they are just what I believe from having lived in SEA for many years. I try to treat all men women with the same respect, it makes no difference what their status and work are. Lord Buddha teaches that Love and Respect are equal for all, love to be love means that it is equal and given equally to all persons, and not special for some individuals and different for others. The American Indians had a wonderful saying, “Do not judge any man until you have walked in his moccasins. “

I realize that I am in interloper on this board. I enjoy writing and sharing. I understand that my controversial style may not be welcome here.

I think that is a very different post from the one you made before monaliza.
I also do not think anyone can object to your posting if they are expressed as they are above.
They might disagree with your conclusions, but such is life, different people, different perspectives, different conclusions. I realized (long ago) that no one knows all the answers, but few people know none at all... Just a matter of finding what is right to live your life.
As long as you abide by the Forum rules you are welcome to post here - new, or not, controversial or not..

And I too don't have a problem with an age gap, a cultural gap or any other kind of gap - because its nobody's business but the two people concerned.
What my post drew attention to is those people who think (as in Galee's post) that they are God's gift and try 'hitting upon any woman with a pulse - even (as Gary's post highlighted) she is married, attached not interested or otherwise - the very people who assume that if you are female and Thai you must be for sale.

To drag this back almost near the starting topic - I think the general consensus is that if you are looking for some 'over 25 year old' company for a few days - then head to a bar in the evenings. If you are hankering after something longer term - then take your time and one day it will happen - exactly as it does in every other country in the world - there is no magic formula in Thailand (or Udon)

There are of course escort agencies that will rent you a companion for a few days or weeks at a price. They advertise in the tourist magazines. It might cost you a few bob though, but if the girls are anything like the ones in the ad they can be stunners . Mind you I think the standard contract only covers their time until midnight, after that it depends on you . :-"

monaliza wrote: My first criteria for a new lady is that I must be at least 35 years older than her mother................... My wife is gorgeous and 22 ..........................I understand that my controversial style may not be welcome here.

If you are married then why are you interested in a new lady? It is that moral attitude which is unwelcome in my culture.

I would love to have a GF 35rys younger than me but if I did I'll be up for 20 stretch in the BKK Hilton