Brexit and Leadership.

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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by tamarlane » July 24, 2018, 12:17 am

there was quite some turmoil about brexit in the last few weeks. Carl Bildt,a former PM of Sweden and a highly regarded diplomat , tweeted this : ' a country who showed the world so much leadership for so many decades, cant even manage its own country anymore. ' ... How sad it is to see a country disappearing like that from the world stage!



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Post by Lone Star » July 24, 2018, 9:19 am

Latest YouGov poll shows that only 16% support May's Brexit plan. Almost 1/3 of those polled are prepared to back a new conservative-leaning party that would be committed to what was voted upon in the Brexit referendum.

It is believed that May's "soft" Brexit would keep the UK tied to the EU's goods rules, severely limit the nation’s ability to control trade policy, and continue to allow migration.

34% support Boris Johnson for prime minister. 24% would support and anti-immigrant, anti-Islam party.

Other recent polls show the Tory party falling behind Labour in voter support since Mrs May announced her “soft” Brexit plans, with UKIP picking up support.

Meanwhile, a survey from last week showed more of the British public view Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson as a “leader” of people who back Brexit than they do Theresa May.
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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by Chuchi » July 25, 2018, 2:50 pm

Manufacturers will benefit from Brexit because a “more competitive pound” can boost exports, Jeremy Corbyn has said as he pledges to bring jobs back to the UK after leaving the European Union.

Unveiling a protectionist scheme to bring jobs back from abroad and stimulate the manufacturing industry, Mr Corbyn said Labour would ensure that exporters were able to “take proper advantage” of Brexit.

Launching the plan in Birmingham on Tuesday morning, the Labour leader promised to abolish the public sector outsourcing “racket” and provide protections for British exporters to prevent them losing out to foreign firms who are able to exploit “cheap labour” to drive down prices.

Interesting comments from jezzer just as TM announces she’s taking charge of negotiations,to be honest he sounds a bit like Donald Trump,only difference being one wants to drain a swamp whilst the other would like to create a bigger one.Wonder how this will play out with the British Public?

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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by rick » July 25, 2018, 4:36 pm

Outsourcing is a swamp - a lot of it has been disastrous, only benefits those companies involved - although half of them have managed to bankrupt themselves as well. The public pays for it all as usual.

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Post by rick » July 26, 2018, 7:42 pm

On something related - if we do hardish Brexit we need to tout for trade - unfortunately the government has become so obsessed with 'the deal' that they are neglecting the potential markets. This week, both Xi Jinping and Modi turned up in Rwanda on the SAME day - touting for business. Modi went on to Uganda, and also announced 14 new Ambassador's for African countries. They know where the best prospects for increased trade are. Also. Macron has been to Africa 6 times since elected. He has his eye on the ball too .....

And the UK? Have ANY senior ministers, let alone the Prime minister, visited this year? Africa has been neglected for years, and continues to be so. My son on a 3 month trip to Ghana, only saw one product he remembers as British - digestive biscuits. But a number of foods from Italy, Holland, and both drinks and biscuits from Thailand. 50 years ago it would have been very different.

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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by Giggle » July 26, 2018, 8:20 pm

It's only the Brits who pine longingly for the bland British fare the rest of the world considers hardtack gruel.
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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by skinner » July 27, 2018, 8:32 am

Giggle wrote:
July 26, 2018, 8:20 pm
It's only the Brits who pine longingly for the bland British fare the rest of the world considers hardtack gruel.
Whats so wonderful about your food ?
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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by Chuchi » July 27, 2018, 4:17 pm

Giggle wrote:
July 26, 2018, 8:20 pm
It's only the Brits who pine longingly for the bland British fare the rest of the world considers hardtack gruel.
Amazing coincidence,just thinking the other day whatever happened to Mel Gibson,hows life in Udon treating you? Also just like to say big fan of some of your early work :D

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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by Chuchi » July 28, 2018, 8:00 am

With the clock ticking and no further forward, I have a feeling the Canada model is looking the most likely outcome with or without inclusion of financial services otherwise I’m fearful its Hotel California and we won’t be going anywhere.

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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by Chuchi » July 31, 2018, 8:43 pm

https://youtu.be/ok8u4HchveU

Jim Winship, Director of the British sandwich association, argued that a no deal Brexit would place serious restrictions on the type of fresh sandwiches on offer in the UK.

That’s it I want a second referendum, I can’t do without my favorite British sandwiches especially the Famous ALT ,the Advocado Lettuce and Tomato :-"

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Post by vincemunday » August 2, 2018, 6:55 am

It would seem the dire predictions of job losses of hundreds of thousands that were mooted in project fear #1 were grossly exaggerated (shock!) and the estimated number has been lowered to 5000, perhaps, maybe, might be, could be......

The City will continue to be the centre of world finance for many decades to come, those 5000 job losses (if they happen at all) will most likely be absorbed by new companies or new trading floors, just one successful product can result in thousands of jobs created, it happens all the time.
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Post by vincemunday » August 2, 2018, 7:18 am

Another climb down, in project fear #1 we were warned that each household would be £4,300 worse off after Brexit, after a rethink that was calculated to maybe, could be, might be £1000 and now after a reworking of the numbers it will only be £500 (perhaps)... and they wonder why no one takes them or their dire predictions seriously.
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Post by papafarang » August 2, 2018, 7:59 am

Don't live there so don't much care really . but the UK leadership is rather poor at best. Donald trump might be a complete blimp but at least he just makes decisions and goes for it ..right or wrong. best I see the uk gov ...dithering ...just get on with it woman (may)
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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by Lone Star » August 2, 2018, 8:04 am

The Telegraph is reporting that May will be meeting with Macron in the hopes that he will back her soft Brexit plan.

Rumors are that the French will try to take advantage of UK's exit and make a quick buck.

According to The Telegraph, the meeting will be on Friday. May is expected to ask Macron to drop opposition to extensive security cooperation between the UK and European Union (EU) after Brexit and a comprehensive trade deal on financial services for the City of London.

France has already stated that they want the UK removed from the space satellite program. The French are hoping that those jobs leave the UK and relocate in France.

Rumors are also swirling that the UK could walk away from the union without a trade deal at all, which may result in a No Deal Brexit (whatever that means).
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Post by vincemunday » August 2, 2018, 2:18 pm

A no deal Brexit is what the vast majority of us voted for, a clean break from the EU, the taking up of WTO rules, an end to free movement and taking back our fishing rights that we have granted to the EU thereby killing our own fisheries, as Dean says, Mrs May is dithering, capitulating and generally kow towing to all and sundry in an effort to strike "the best deal", it will almost definitely cost the conservatives the next election and worse still it's even allowing the no.1 buffoon Boris back in the fray.
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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by thaiguzzi » August 2, 2018, 8:31 pm

vincemunday wrote:
August 2, 2018, 7:18 am
Another climb down, in project fear #1 we were warned that each household would be £4,300 worse off after Brexit, after a rethink that was calculated to maybe, could be, might be £1000 and now after a reworking of the numbers it will only be £500 (perhaps)... and they wonder why no one takes them or their dire predictions seriously.
So not similar to putting 340 mil back into the NHS that we save from spending in Europe EVERY WEEK then?

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Re: Brexit and Leadership.

Post by joudon » August 2, 2018, 8:41 pm

If you bothered to understand the 340 million back into the NHS promise!
It was based on when the UK actually LEFT the EU gravy train ,
NOT after the the leave referendum victory.
Do you remainers EVER give up.?

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Post by rick » August 2, 2018, 11:26 pm

It was based on when the UK actually LEFT the EU gravy train ,
NOT after the the leave referendum victory.
Do you remainers EVER give up.?
Well, I think the dire consequences also only apply after we leave as well ..... except for the fall in the value of the pound (which has left me about 15% worse off the last 2 years) ......

I wonder what will happen to farmers after Brexit? Without subsidies most would be bankrupt. There are lots of horror stories about what may happen after a hard Brexit, and i am sure MOST will not happen ..... but any positives (which are all very vague) will be a long way in the future. Guess we will start seeing the ---- hitting the fan in October, once all those clever politicians come back from their holidays and start reading the contingency plans (if any).

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Post by GT93 » September 1, 2018, 7:11 am

I suspect if I was British, the fear campaign would have made me vote for Brexit. However it is possible if I had British children I might have voted remain.

The UK is strong enough to get through this despite the short term pain. The sky isn't going to fall on Britons' heads but I think there will be a lot of squealing next year.

City folks shouldn't be subsidizing rural people. That was one of many negatives with EU membership. I suspect because of the politics the British government will still have urban residents subsidizing rural residents.
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