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Re: Car cameras...

Post by tamada » August 20, 2018, 11:48 pm

runrunshaw wrote:
August 20, 2018, 2:58 pm

I have an SUV. Not sure it would be very practical to put a stand alone cam on the rear door. With a dual cam, you can see both images on the screen in front of you at the same time and see the LED is on and it's recording. Without eyes in the back of my head, it would be a bit inconvenient to have to monitor the rear stand alone.

The second cam on dual units is always small, and generally, of a lower resolution (although there are some dash cams with both cams having the same resolution). Seems like twice as much trouble to have two units instead of one. Also, you'd need two SD cards, whereas the Rexing I bought only needs one. But if you have an extra camera lying around, then I guess, why not?
Outside lenses get dirty, especially at this time of year but the second dash cam lens can be mounted inside the back window instead. The problem with most SUV's is that although the rear door glass looks big, the glass available for lens mounting with a good, undistorted view from the inside is much smaller.

The second lens on a dual cam setup is low res but both video streams feed onto the same sd card on the one, front-mounted camera. The falling prices of high-speed/capacity sd cards made dual-lens dash cams cheaper and thus more common. The camera software writes the 2 separate video streams concurrently with a file for the front view and another file for the back view. Well that's how my current ~2300 baht one works.

I did have a Russian-made dual camera where the camera software formatted the sd card and also installed a bespoke video player on the sd card. If you placed the sd card in a computer, you only saw the executable and no video files. However, launch the inbuilt player and all the video files were there and the player was really quite good as it recorded g-forces on a rolling graph and mapped the gps info too. However, it was glitchy and after it irreparably screwed up a couple of sd cards, I ditched it.



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Re: Car cameras...

Post by Faraday » August 21, 2018, 5:43 am

Thanks for all the useful information.

Still can't make my bloody mind up though!

I had an 'intimate moment' with Samlor last week. Me, stopped at the fire daeng for 10 seconds or more, then I heard the long squealing of brakes being applied.

He managed to avoid running right into the back of the p/u, & scraped the nearside wing, quite deep.

He was completely soused in lao, despite his 'my mau' protestations.

There were two witnesses, & after Mrs F bent his ear out of shape, I could see he would have no insurance, money or anything of value to offset the body repair.

Didn't call the police, didn't see what was to be gained, & in way, I felt some compassion for him & his miserable existence.

As I didn't make a police report, & didn't want my premium to rise, decided to pay for the repair myself.

Went to Ford later, 5000baht, 3 days repair time.

Yea, I know a camera wouldn't have changed anything, but at 05:42, the new bag of coffee I bought yesterday, has stimulated the few Neurons I have left. :lol:

Enjoy your day .... :D

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Re: Car cameras...

Post by glalt » August 21, 2018, 10:02 am

I had a similar situation. A motorbike decided to pass me on the left. What he didn't see was a concrete abutment ahead. He made a good decision for him but bad for me. Rather that hit the abutment, he sideswiped me. The amazing thing was that he never went down. The abutment kept him up. Same deal, no money and no insurance. I too didn't bother with the police.

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Re: Car cameras...

Post by mech_401 » August 21, 2018, 1:00 pm

oh , those tuktuk guys are at times frightening. reeking of rice whiskey. no working lights on
their vehicle. a child's bicycle could stop faster

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Re: Car cameras...

Post by Brian Davis » August 24, 2018, 12:14 pm

Two more near things driving the last two days. Morning journey to school on highway and a car with Laos plates (brown/copper SUV?, maybe others saw him?) absolutely roared down the road at a crazy speed behind me. Anyone would think it was a motor circuit, rather than morning rush hour. I was just about to move to overtake, when fortunately I saw him coming behind me. He swerved and chose to zoom by in the inside lane. Then again, on lesser road coming home evening, similar situation with two kids on a motorbike, who ‘came from nowhere’ and there was traffic coming the other way. Utter madness. One has to have eyes everywhere in this stupidity.
The point of above is to urge me more to understand my car cam. But I’m struggling still.
Any thoughts here?
I get nothing appearing on the computer when plugging in the USB lead from a switched-on camera. Usually, of course, there’s a message pop up to indicate an external connection. Dodgy USB lead?
A micro SD card adaptor and a separate slotted USB plug in works. The files are there (normal and incident) but MOST do not play (perhaps 30 files and perhaps one early, one late plays). Do I have a codec computer issue? (I haven’t yet mastered and it appears difficult to playback just on the camera itself).
The SD card appears to fill up quickly. Perhaps an hour and half return journey and it seems nearly full. A Kingston 16 Gb supplied by the shop. In the computer, it shows about 15 Gb capacity, but could that reading be misleading?
So, as I understand it, a smaller memory card would probably be fairly full all the time, but with looping, would still record the latest file, at the cost of deleting the earliest one? But most of my files aren’t playing – at least not on the computer. When looping occurs, does an older file get deleted, or the detail remain, but with the video element ’blanked’ – in effect, replaced by a later one.
And, maybe a further daft question! If one has a dual camera, the front capable of 1080P full HD, but the rear of only 720P, what setting should you set up on the camera? I’m presuming it should be 1080 (to make use of the superior quality on the front) and that he rear still functions, but at a lesser quality.
Sorry if this sounds so naïve. I was expecting to have an easy to use device. Perhaps it is and it’s just me! Any patient people out there? :lol:

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Re: Car cameras...

Post by tamada » August 24, 2018, 2:22 pm

Maybe the USB cable is only for charging and the dashcam doesn't have any ability to mount the SD card as an external storage device? Is this the USB lead that came with the camera? Otherwise try another cable.

There's a possibility that the media player on your laptop cannot handle the higher resolution of the dash cam data?

However, more likely the 16 Gb card may be limited with the dual-channel, highest resolution data as well as the record length. I always use a 32 Gb and select the shortest, reasonable loop length, say 3 minutes. Apart from C10, what other markings are on the supplied sd card? It may not be up to dual-channel, higher-resolution record/playback without buffering.

The image resolution setting on the setup menu will be for the front camera lens and the highest resolution should be selected. The rear view lens will always be a lower resolution and does not change regardless of what the front lens resolution is set at.

In my experience, the endless loop overwriting is only a feature of the high-end dash cams. All mid-range dashcams I have had ultimately had recording issues suggesting a full card. Put it this way, when your hard drive on your computer is full, it's red flagged and you can't overwrite data when it's full. I think I suggested earlier that a weekly review of files and a reformat of the sd card is recommended so you know it's still doing its job.

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Re: Car cameras...

Post by LoneTraveler » August 24, 2018, 4:02 pm

As far as the USB input for computer, I had the same problem no response, the computer alerted me to try another USB port, that worked. It appears some USB ports on computer are only for keyboard or mouse, not for reading SD cards or devices. I bought a Transend High endurance 64GB card works well when viewing on computer with adapter.

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Post by Brian Davis » August 26, 2018, 12:19 pm

Thank you for your bother in responding. I’ve taken heed of things said.
Still unable to connect dash direct to computers. I’ve tried several UBC cables. I was hoping I could more easily view/change? camera settings etc., as well as actual files from the SD card. As it is, I can do the latter on the computer screen by using the card adaptor and USB/card reader.
As suggested, maybe some of ‘problems’ (maybe me!) will disappear with a larger memory/better quality SD card. The camera spec says it can accept 64 GB. So, taking advice, I need to look for a Transcend SDHC 64GB, High Endurance. But where? I trawled around Central Saturday without finding much in the way of Transcend and not that type of card. Suggestions please as to where, a particular shop to look for in the hope of the card being genuine at fair price. What should I expect to pay?
In the interim….
Is it normal for the camera to save files BOTH in ‘normal’ and ‘event’, which seems the case with me? I would have thought that saving in ‘event’ would only occur if one has ‘locked’ any particular file to prevent deletion occurring.
Any idea how to rid the ‘warning’ voice? I see the camera has “Record/Voice” in its’ settings options, but that is presumably to pick up sounds in the car, possibly outside, in an ‘event’. What I want to stop is the lady coming through on the speaker giving me warnings - in Thai anyway, so I only recognize some words. She’s like a back seat driver!
And, what are these short green/red lines(parameters) which appear on screen? The up/down buttons move them, but I can’t see any guidance about their setting/function.

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Re: Car cameras...

Post by glalt » August 26, 2018, 1:52 pm

The only times my camera talks is to warn of a memory card problem or the ADM tells me I am too close to another car or out of my lane. I keep the Assisted Driving Mode turned off. You should be able to access all the settings through the camera itself especially the language setting and to turn off the ADM. The camera should also have a playback setting to see what is on the card.

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Post by Brian Davis » August 26, 2018, 6:03 pm

Thanks. I think it's the same with me on warnings but I seem to get a lot of them! Yesterday, think 'she' was warning me of being too close to an enormous vehicle in front, stopped at lights, but I was a very good distance back. I didn't notice an ADM setting, but perhaps it's within the language option. I'll check. If in English, perhaps not so annoying. Yup, found the play option. I just have preference to use a larger computer screen, if possible, than a gadget smaller than my hand.

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Re: Car cameras...

Post by LoneTraveler » August 27, 2018, 7:25 am

Transcend SDHC 64GB, High Endurance card can be found at power buy in Central because they sell Transcend camera or try Powerbuy Big C, on same road as Makro, I have seen them there. Also, you can order online @ Lazada.co.th. I think I paid 1064 Baht. It came in sealed packing and is original as far as I can tell. It works well. Also,I was talking about the USB ports on the computer not different USB cables, try different ports when plugging in with USB cable.

My camera alerts me to outside lane and too close to vehicle but the alert mechanism is a chiming sound not a voice. I have not been able to locate how turn off, not sure I would want too.

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Post by tamada » August 27, 2018, 10:32 am

Although there's other Transcend products on their shelves, I didn't see an Transcend memory cards in Central PowerBuy last week. Like the 3 other stores I checked, they did have SanDisk cards.

Maybe Transcend have been hit by fake cards from China and like Kingston, have suspended imports? The same happened a few years back when fake Duracell batteries flooded the Thai market. Within a few months, the brand disappeared completely.

I think if you buy online from invadeit, JIB or any other online IT retailers, the product will be genuine and if not, you have recourse. Buying sd cards on lazada isn't recommended IMHO.

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Post by glalt » August 27, 2018, 11:53 am

In the past, I purchased two cheap car cameras. The instructions left a lot to be desired. Both died an early death. I never did figure out some of the convoluted settings. I now use the Internet for reviews and to see if the camera is popular enough to have on line discussions and on line manuals. Having a camera that is difficult to use and nearly impossible to properly program is frustrating. You don't need to pay a big price for a decent car camera. You do need to know how to properly program and use it. I personally like cams that have WiFi that allow you to program the camera with your phone while sitting in your vehicle.

I just resurrected a very expensive old cam that does everything including using GPS Google map. It is called a RoadEyes Rec Pro from France. The camera has no buttons on it. It uses a remote. Without the working remote you can adjust nothing. The remote quit working. It uses a 3 volt button battery. I checked the battery and it showed 3 volts. My phone camera sees the IR light up so I decided it was a camera problem. I put the camera on the shelf and had given up. Last week I took a spare battery for my truck remote and put it in the cam remote. Everything works again. It is now mounted on the back window of my wife's car. It also needs computer software to see all the functions. It is an old camera and when Windows 10 came out that software no longer works. RoadEyes cam company did not update their software because the cam is now obsolete. Using the memory card in the computer shows the files by date and time so it is still usable.

Sometimes you can have a device that is too complicated and gives information that you may not want or need. For instance, if you were over the speed limit, you won't want the police to see that. For that reason, I avoid units with the GPS function.

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Re: Car cameras...

Post by glalt » August 27, 2018, 12:34 pm

I bought two Transcend High Endurance memory cards off Lazada. A 32 and a 64 GB. Transcend has a web site to check if they are genuine;

https://th.transcend-info.com/support/verification

Both cards are genuine.

You should take the serial number off the card itself. You will need a magnifying glass to read the tiny numbers.

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Post by Brian Davis » August 27, 2018, 2:08 pm

glalt wrote:
August 27, 2018, 12:34 pm
I bought two Transcend High Endurance memory cards off Lazada. A 32 and a 64 GB. Transcend has a web site to check if they are genuine;

https://th.transcend-info.com/support/verification

Both cards are genuine.

You should take the serial number off the card itself. You will need a magnifying glass to read the tiny numbers.
I see we're getting towards 2,000 baht for this card (64GB), so not cheap in comparison to other cards and what my camera cost. But good the Transcend verification appears you can check you're not getting ripped off.

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Post by Hoopoe » August 27, 2018, 2:26 pm

Just an added note to all this advice , here is a don't , buying online from RTEB , associates funny mail .com . also YIN MENGALIN all been reported for fraud , rip off's ,i along with many many others got caught out by these scammers ,you start at RTEB and get bounced around the three , they then send you incomplete orders and VERY cheaper versions of what you have ordered , RTEB is based in Hongkong , Funny mail is based in BElgium and holland , Yin mengalin is China ,

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Post by glalt » August 27, 2018, 3:14 pm

Since these particular cards are so expensive, there is probably a good chance that there will be pirate copies soon. Due to the steep price it is worth the bother to make sure they are genuine.

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Re: Car cameras...

Post by Brian Davis » August 29, 2018, 11:22 am

In case it's of help to anyone ......
I've been in contact with Transcend in Taiwan - good customer care. The sales guy responsible for Thailand recommended Lazada and assured me that as an authorised distributor for Transcend, that the memory cards would be genuine.
Well, I couldn't find many Transcend products in Udon anyway. IT City and Powerbuy are noted somewhere of being stockists, but the ONLY card I found which came near to what I wanted was at the Powerbuy outlet near Play Port. And I believe it was just the one card stocked.

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Post by tamada » August 29, 2018, 12:19 pm

Brian Davis wrote:
August 29, 2018, 11:22 am
In case it's of help to anyone ......
I've been in contact with Transcend in Taiwan - good customer care. The sales guy responsible for Thailand recommended Lazada and assured me that as an authorised distributor for Transcend, that the memory cards would be genuine.
Well, I couldn't find many Transcend products in Udon anyway. IT City and Powerbuy are noted somewhere of being stockists, but the ONLY card I found which came near to what I wanted was at the Powerbuy outlet near Play Port. And I believe it was just the one card stocked.
If Transcend do sell direct on lazada like Tesco-Lotus and several other name-brands, then yes, the product won't be fake. Caveat emptor as always and double check the vendor you chose is indeed the "authorized distributor".

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Re: Car cameras...

Post by Barney » August 29, 2018, 3:30 pm

Due to this post I have been reviewing SD cards if I buy a replacement when home or even get one here in Dubai at a tech shop.
I came across this site and the guy in the video on the page seemed to explain SD card in a user friendly way. I at least gained some insight into to working of the cards and types for dash cams.

https://www.carcamcentral.com/guide/rec ... ltra-cards

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