And, as usual, there's more to the story.

It was little more than lingering workplace bad blood, said Dr. Bates’s former co-workers at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Dr. Bates had felt he deserved his boss’s job at NOAA, they said, not the demotion he received.

"He’s retaliating. It’s like grade school,” said Glenn Rutledge, a former physical scientist at NOAA who worked with Dr. Bates.

“[Dr. Bates] was often heard saying that he, not Karl, should be running the center,” said Marjorie McGuirk, former chief of staff at the data center.

... Dr. Bates himself later stated in an interview with a business news site that he had not meant to suggest that his former boss had played fast and loose with temperature data. “The issue here is not an issue of tampering with data,” Dr. Bates said.

In his interview with the site E&E News this month, Dr. Bates stated that the issue wasn’t with data tampering. Rather, he said, his issue was that some of the processed data used in the report wasn’t subsequently archived in accordance with strict protocols that Dr. Bates had developed. In other words, it was a filing problem, not a science problem.

Always better to do a little research before calling fraud.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/busi ... .html?_r=0

Just the latest in a LONG LINE of data manipulation by the Believers. Every time they do something like this, they lose credibility and give a win to those who seek the truth.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... peratures/

Links to the quoted material from the study and from the original article in The Australian appear in the link.

This is not the first time the BOM has been accused of behaving more like a political activist organization than a scientific one. On every occasion, instead of fessing up to its dodgy antics, it has hidden behind a wall of bluster and pretend-scientific authority.

For example, against the principles of robust science, it refuses to allow its data to be audited independently – or to discuss why or how it makes its temperature adjustments.

As The Australian notes in a paywalled editorial, these unexplained adjustments are no way to inspire confidence among a taxpaying public which has to fund the BOM to the tune of an annual 365.3 million (2015/16 figures).

The official record must be accurate and trusted. Otherwise, claims of historic extremes — the hottest winter day! — only mislead and public policy gets corrupted. Even if the bureau does have all the answers, it needs to do a better job of taking the public — sceptics included — into its confidence.

The same is true, of course, in the US where organizations like NASA and NOAA have also been caught red-handed making adjustments to their own temperature data sets, none of these convincingly explained,

And since the overwhelming liberal media is in the corner of the Believers, these "adjustments" are rarely given the scrutiny that they deserve.

Warming to boost deadly humidity levels across South Asia

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40793019

Most of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh will experience temperatures close to the limits of survivability by 2100, without emissions reductions.
The research says the fraction of the population exposed to dangerous, humid heat waves may reach 30%.
South Asia is home to one-fifth of the world's inhabitants.

While a wet bulb 35C is considered the upper limit of human survivability, even a humid temperature of 31C is considered an extremely dangerous level for most people.
Recorded wet bulb temperatures on Earth have rarely exceeded 31C. However, in 2015 in Iran, meteorologists saw wet bulb temperatures very close to 35C. In the same summer, a deadly heat wave killed 3,500 people in India and Pakistan.

http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/08/04/ ... rders-fix/

And now Australia is going to "fix" the data problem. It's amazing what happens when things are uncovered.

TEMPERATURE READINGS PLUNGE AFTER AUSTRALIA’S BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY ORDERS END TO ‘TAMPERING’

Lone Star wrote: ↑

August 6, 2017, 10:39 am

http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/08/04/ ... rders-fix/And now Australia is going to "fix" the data problem. It's amazing what happens when things are uncovered.

TEMPERATURE READINGS PLUNGE AFTER AUSTRALIA’S BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY ORDERS END TO ‘TAMPERING’

Really? You're going with climatedepot.com as your source? In the interests of full disclosure, here's some info on its founder, Marc Morano:

• Started his career working for Rush Limbaugh.

• Became Director of Communications for Senator Inhofe (Oklahoma) in 2006.

• In 2012, named Climate Change Misinformer of the Year.

• Is known for publishing personal contact information of scientists with whom he disagrees.

And Senator Inhofe?

• Receives hundreds of thousands of dollars in each election from utility companies.

• Has said on the Senate floor that global warming is a hoax.

• Uses Morano's website to disseminate his views.

• Maintains that we can do nothing about global warming because climate is controlled by God.

• Said in an interview with Tulsa World newspaper that the environmentalist movement reminded him of the Third Reich.

Udon Map wrote: ↑

August 6, 2017, 11:26 am

Lone Star wrote: ↑

August 6, 2017, 10:39 am

http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/08/04/ ... rders-fix/And now Australia is going to "fix" the data problem. It's amazing what happens when things are uncovered.

TEMPERATURE READINGS PLUNGE AFTER AUSTRALIA’S BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY ORDERS END TO ‘TAMPERING’

Really? ...

Yes. Really.

Sources of the information are linked and based on the article that appeared in The Australian.

You're entitled to ignore it. Up to you.

Lone Star wrote: ↑

August 6, 2017, 3:32 pm

You're entitled to ignore it. Up to you.

Much as you ignore scientific facts. That some scientists exaggerated or slanted their data doesn't mean that the underlying science is false. It means that those scientists are intellectually dishonest. What about the rest? Do you believe that God controls our climate?

As a very passive follower of the climate debate I think that the pendulum is swinging back to the opinion of there is no warming.
How many of the scaremonger predictions of 10 or so years ago actually came true.
Australian dams to go dry, build 3 or 4 desalination plants in each city was the cry, they are all standing idle now with a great cost of mothballs.
Just the fact that people are being found out to lie would not help the overall argument or keep doomsday supporters toeing the line, especially when it costs the tax payer billions.
Have any seas rose up substantially to cover the pacific islands?
Just an opinion and I don't follow detailed scientific papers. There seem to be to many in it for their own agenda. Some of these groups financially supported with tax payers money.

But some people believe that god rules their whole lives let alone just climate. :-"

Barney wrote: ↑

August 6, 2017, 7:54 pm

Have any seas rose up substantially to cover the pacific islands?

Yes. Numerous articles online, here's one. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/10/world ... index.html.

Two things bother me about that article. One: No Sea level rise has been recorded in Papua or Australia or New Zealand over the same period. So maybe erosion is the cause for the Islands disappearing. Two: This has gradually happened over several decades and there was never any mention of climate change in 1947 or indeed 57, 67, 77 etc

Aardvark wrote: ↑

August 7, 2017, 5:20 am

Two things bother me about that article. One: No Sea level rise has been recorded in Papua or Australia or New Zealand over the same period. So maybe erosion is the cause for the Islands disappearing. Two: This has gradually happened over several decades and there was never any mention of climate change in 1947 or indeed 57, 67, 77 etc

I read a number of articles on the disappearance of the islands in question, both at the time and more recently. Most agreed that it was a combination of factors as you suggest, including erosion, but that climate change was one of the significant contributing factors.

I don't agree with those who believe that climate change is singlehandedly responsible for all of the world's ills. However, I find it equally absurd to suggest that it isn't occurring at all.

The article says same, it's a combination of factors. Most of the arguments in this thread never touch on that, it's always yes or no climate change.

The study, by a group of Australian scientists, used aerial and satellite imagery of 33 islands between 1947 and 2014 to track changes in land surface areas.

They attributed the changes to general sea level rises driven by climate change, as well as an intensification in trade winds, driven by both a warming of the atmosphere and natural cycles.

Barney wrote: ↑

August 6, 2017, 7:54 pm

...
How many of the scaremonger predictions of 10 or so years ago actually came true.
...
Just the fact that people are being found out to lie would not help the overall argument or keep doomsday supporters toeing the line, especially when it costs the tax payer billions.

Yep.

Lone Star wrote: ↑

August 7, 2017, 1:31 pm

Barney wrote: ↑

August 6, 2017, 7:54 pm

...
How many of the scaremonger predictions of 10 or so years ago actually came true.
...
Just the fact that people are being found out to lie would not help the overall argument or keep doomsday supporters toeing the line, especially when it costs the tax payer billions.

Yep.

Bumping from previous reply which you seemed to skip over and hop to one that lined up with yours.

Lone Star: Do you believe that God controls our climate?

glalt wrote: ↑

August 8, 2017, 9:50 pm

I believe that there is indeed global warming. The earth has been going through cycles for millions of years. The big question is what is causing it. I believe that this carbon tax thing is a massive scam to make money. Even Thailand is cashing in on the scam.

Agree.

Yes the climate has been changing for centuries, and there were even periods of time where it was warmer than it is now with no industrialization, no autos, no airline transportation.

Lone Star wrote: ↑

August 9, 2017, 9:23 am

Agree.

Yes the climate has been changing for centuries, and there were even periods of time where it was warmer than it is now with no industrialization, no autos, no airline transportation.

TBH, Lone Star, although I tried, I see little point in continuing this conversation with you. As much as I enjoy intellectual discussion and debate, you simply dismiss any facts or ideas with which you do not agree as part of the conspiracy. Hard to have a good discussion in the face of that type of approach.

Also, you still haven't answered an earlier question: Does God control our climate?

Udon Map wrote: ↑

August 9, 2017, 10:55 am

Lone Star wrote: ↑

August 9, 2017, 9:23 am

Agree.

Yes the climate has been changing for centuries, and there were even periods of time where it was warmer than it is now with no industrialization, no autos, no airline transportation.

TBH, Lone Star, although I tried, I see little point in continuing this conversation with you. As much as I enjoy intellectual discussion and debate, you simply dismiss any facts or ideas with which you do not agree as part of the conspiracy. Hard to have a good discussion in the face of that type of approach.

Also, you still haven't answered an earlier question: Does God control our climate?

Since my last two responses were agreeing with the posts of others, you must feel the same about them. 555

I have no idea if God controls the climate. Do you know?

Well, they did it again.

Believers caught lying to push their agenda.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 017-0020-z

Dubbed "Tidalgate", two scientists have been able to show that data was manipulated to show a rise in sea levels at an accelerated rate. The whistle was blown by two Australian scientists Dr. Albert Parker and Dr. Clifford Ollier in a paper for Earth Systems and Environment.

The raw (unadjusted) data from three Indian Ocean gauges – Aden, Karachi and Mumbai – showed that local sea level trends in the last 140 years had been very gently rising, neutral or negative (ie sea levels had fallen). After the evidence had been adjusted by tidal records gatekeepers at the global databank Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level (PSMSL) it suddenly showed a sharp and dramatic rise.

The paper – Is the Sea Level Stable at Aden, Yemen? – examines the discrepancies between raw and adjusted sea level data in Aden, Karachi and Mumbai.

Kenneth Richard at No Tricks Zone reports:

The authors expose how PSMSL data-adjusters make it appear that stable sea levels can be rendered to look like they are nonetheless rising at an accelerated pace.

The data-adjusters take misaligned and incomplete sea level data from tide gauges that show no sea level rise (or even a falling trend). Then, they subjectively and arbitrarily cobble them together, or realign them. In each case assessed, PSMSL data-adjusters lower the earlier misaligned rates and raise the more recent measurements. By doing so, they concoct a new linearly-rising trend.

There is nothing per se wrong with PSMSL making adjustments in order to make the different datasets align. What is wrong is the way that the scientists at PSMSL have adjusted them. In every case, they have revised them in order to make them produce a sharp upward trend in sea level rise – despite the fact that global records do not support this.



Every time something like this is revealed, more people on the fence turn their backs on the Believers. Besides the fact that Believers can't answer basic and specific questions about their mission and goals, the Believers get caught doing unethical things like this.

Are you saying the Deniers never do or never have done unethical things with data to suit their agenda?

Also, out of 1000 people, how many would you say give two chihuahua farts about any of this?

You've got this expressed like there's this epic conflict between significant masses. Maybe two or three really bored retirees?