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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by jimjay » January 4, 2018, 8:44 am

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January 4, 2018, 8:25 am
.https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/01/03 ... g/amp/

More tampering and manipulation of data.
The author's credentials are highly suspect... (see attached image)
Climate Misinformer: Christopher Monckton

Christopher Monckton is a British consultant, policy adviser, writer, columnist, and hereditary peer. While not formally trained in science, Monckton is one of the most cited and widely published climate skeptics, having even been invited to testify to the U.S. Senate and Congress on several occasions.

For a comprehensive rebuttal of many of Christopher Monckton's arguments, check out this presentation by Professor John Abraham.

http://www.stthomas.edu/engineering/jpabraham/

Abraham has compiled many examples where Monckton misrepresents the very scientists whose work he cites. Check out this PDF of Monckton quotes versus the scientists who in their own words explain how Monckton misrepresents their research.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/docs/Mo ... ntists.pdf
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » January 4, 2018, 9:56 am

You may question the messenger, but it's the information that needs to be refuted.

I don't know a damn thing about the author. That article just popped up on my Google news feed. Even CNN and HuffPo get things right occasionally, so I don't always necessarily dump their reports unless I see something wrong with the information itself.

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by jimjay » January 4, 2018, 4:33 pm

Lone Star wrote:
January 4, 2018, 9:56 am
Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then.
Blind squirrels also find turds thinking they're acorns till they take a bite. :badteeth:

So far the people who *do* have scientific credentials are being labeled cheaters and those that don't (Monckton) seem to have run wild on the dialogue for the sake of credibility with the tin foil hat mob.

Dumping his fake stats in here gets us a bit distracted from posting the answers to the questions you posed about the carbon tax conspiracy.

Am gonna go Meditate on top of a Solar Panel to the Snowflake Queen and return with some answers that might illuminate why one wouldn't need bother mounting an 8 years long defense against a carbon tax that everyone will laugh off, just as the once proposed "meat tax" that was supposed to be because producing beef was a purported major cause of pollution.

2018 won't be a great year for Carbon Tax Alarmists... \:D/

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

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Carbon Tax Alarmists... \:D/....... :lol: :lol: :lol: =D>
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » January 24, 2018, 1:54 am

https://www.dailywire.com/news/26204/sc ... barrett

That's it. We're doomed. Now scientists claim that if we clean up air pollution, we could warm the planet by more than 1.1 degree Celsius, which would contribute to global warming.

So like I've said all along, they aren't even sure about the effects of their efforts. That's why they can't absolutely answer specific questions about how they think man can stop or reverse or slow what they claim is happening.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by jimjay » January 24, 2018, 3:51 pm

Lone Star wrote:
January 24, 2018, 1:54 am
https://www.dailywire.com/news/26204/sc ... barrett

That's it. We're doomed. Now scientists claim that if we clean up air pollution, we could warm the planet by more than 1.1 degree Celsius, which would contribute to global warming.

So like I've said all along, they aren't even sure about the effects of their efforts. That's why they can't absolutely answer specific questions about how they think man can stop or reverse or slow what they claim is happening.
Darn. I saw this yesterday and thought holy crap if Lone-sie gets hold of this news he's gonna have another 8 years of debate ammo. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

So basically, because the damage is done, anything we do to clean up actually exposes us to more damage.

Where do I line up to pay my Carbon Tax?

Oh wait I won't owe any because if the damage is done there's no basis to change the tax, whose sole purpose was to supposedly be used to pay for mitigating the problem (and maybe lining some people's pockets).

Lone-sie, if we were to administer a Rohrsach test, and the blot looked like a solar panel, how would you feel, what does it represent to you?

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » January 25, 2018, 12:11 pm

jimjay wrote:
January 24, 2018, 3:51 pm
So basically, because the damage is done, anything we do to clean up actually exposes us to more damage.
That's what they seem to be saying.

Makes my point. They really don't know what to do in any measurable way to stop, reverse or slow what they claim is happening. For me, that means that they don't understand what's going on as well as they seemed to claim all this time.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by papafarang » February 1, 2018, 11:14 am

just a thought , why are the disbelievers so bothered about it if it's not happening ? and don't give me the carbon tax alarmist rubbish. if the government wanted more tax simply adding 1% to sales tax would be way much easier to collect it , or add 1c to a gallon of petrol job done. in fact the governments world wide have already spent fortunes on studying the climate. and before someone says it's a waste of money studying it. how much has been wasted looking at a galaxy 4 billion light years away , how much was spent on the space shuttle ? 200 billion , and that got scrapped, 10 billion on hubble so we can stare into nothingness ? reason ,it's called research . So if anyone thinks it's all untrue, why are they bothered at all. if someone told me the uk government was looking for the loch ness monster and they were going to spend a fortune on it I would just laugh about it. sure wouldn't be uptight about it. or be a conspiracy theorist making out the government has a secret agenda :lol: , it's just research, that's all.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » February 2, 2018, 3:16 am

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment ... ruled-out

Scientists leading the charge say there's not much that can be done. Slowing, stopping or reversing what they claim is happening doesn't seem to be a feasible task.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

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Lone Star wrote:
February 2, 2018, 3:16 am
https://amp.theguardian.com/environment ... ruled-out

Scientists leading the charge say there's not much that can be done. Slowing, stopping or reversing what they claim is happening doesn't seem to be a feasible task.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by joudon » February 2, 2018, 3:53 am

I notice the source of this ''news'' is the Guardian newspaper (UK). For those unaquaited with this ''rag'' it has the 3rd smallest circulation figures in UK out of 12 dailys. It generally spews out complete leftwing garbage and is so anti UK as to be a (dangerous) joke.

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by jimjay » February 2, 2018, 4:37 am

joudon wrote:
February 2, 2018, 3:53 am
I notice the source of this ''news'' is the Guardian newspaper (UK). For those unaquaited with this ''rag'' it has the 3rd smallest circulation figures in UK out of 12 dailys. It generally spews out complete leftwing garbage and is so anti UK as to be a (dangerous) joke.
I knew Lone-sie was a closet Leftist and now we have proof.

Probably off doing Yoga and eating yogurt as we speak.

More likely though he's rehearsing his MAGA song "Rock Flag & Eagle!"


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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » March 13, 2018, 9:54 am

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28109/ne ... oseph-curl

New Book Details How Al Gore ‘Lavishly’ Profited Off Climate Lobbying

It's information like this -- and all the exposed data manipulation -- that continuously sets the Believers back in trying to convince us all that this is legit.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by papafarang » March 13, 2018, 10:16 am

"the exposed data manipulation"
:lol: you must be the last person on the planet that hasn't got the memo.

Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct. However, the reports called on the scientists to avoid any such allegations in the future by taking steps to regain public confidence in their work, for example by opening up access to their supporting data, processing methods and software, and by promptly honouring freedom of information requests. The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity remained unchanged throughout the investigations

so with your own data and knowledge , being a climatologist you disagree with the 8 committees findings :lol:
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » March 13, 2018, 7:17 pm

An article just out this past week.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cr ... -warming/

Should We Chill Out about Global Warming?

John Horgan, the director of the Center for Science Writings at the Stevens Institute of Technology, has penned an essay analyzing two reports by ecomodernists who reject climate panic and frame the question of climate change and humanity’s ability to cope with it in radically new terms.

One of the reports, written by Steven Pinker plays down "the mainstream environmental movement, and the radicalism and fatalism it encourages." Pinker argues that humanity can solve problems related to climate change the same way it has solved myriad other problems, by harnessing "the benevolent forces of modernity."

Pinker asserts that industrialization “has been good for humanity.”
It has fed billions, doubled lifespans, slashed extreme poverty, and, by replacing muscle with machinery, made it easier to end slavery, emancipate women, and educate children. It has allowed people to read at night, live where they want, stay warm in winter, see the world, and multiply human contact. Any costs in pollution and habitat loss have to be weighed against these gifts.
And just as human ingenuity has allowed us to overcome countless obstacles in the past, he notes, it is more than reasonable to suppose it will do so in the future as well.

The second report was written by Will Boisvert and contends that the "onsequences for human well-being will be small" even if human greenhouse emissions significantly warm the planet.

Boisvert, who has been described as a “left-wing environmental expert, is no “climate denier,” yet he calls for climate alarmists to take a deep breath and step back from doomsday forecasts that likely have little to do with what will actually take place in the future.

As an example, Boisvert pokes fun at a 2016 Newsweek article announcing that “Climate change could cause half a million deaths in 2050 due to reduced food availability.”

The story, based on a Lancet study, made dire forecasts regarding the effects of climate change on agriculture, while failing to note that the study actually predicts much more abundant food availability in 2050 thanks to advances in agricultural productivity. These advances will “dwarf the effects of climate change,” he contends, and the “poorest countries will benefit most.”

Like Pinkers, Boisvert tries to factor in what climate alarmists ignore: the capability of human beings to react to changing scenarios in remarkably ingenious ways.

Boisvert writes:
Throughout history humans not only weathered climate crises but deliberately flung ourselves into them as we migrated away from our African homeland into deserts, mountains, floodplains and taiga before embarking on an excursus into the striking cleverness of the Inuit in adapting to a hostile environment.
Boisvert claims that the current climate change “crisis” that has ecologists’ knickers in a knot, just isn’t that big a deal. It is merely the “latest episode in humanity’s ongoing conquest of extreme climates,” which will likewise “amount to just another problem in economic and technological development, and a middling-scale one at that.”

Climate Believers will undoubtedly seek to quash this news. After all, it could affect funding that they depend upon and the political programs that seek to impose their theft on the world.

If it turns out, after all of the wailing and hand-wringing, that the world is not under imminent peril from climate change, then why fund these prophets of doom with their exposed data manipulation?
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Post by papafarang » March 13, 2018, 8:16 pm

so still not read the memo about climategate then ? a myth made up by those in denial
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by Lone Star » March 22, 2018, 8:54 am

The data manipulation has been traced back years.

https://realclimatescience.com/2018/03/ ... 5-degrees/
This year has been a particularly spectacular episode of data tampering by NOAA, as they introduce nearly 2.5 degrees of fake warming since 1895.

Most of these adjustments are due to simply making up data. Every month, a certain percentage of the 1,218 United States Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) stations fail to report their data, and the temperature gets estimated by NOAA using a computer model. Missing data is marked in the USHCN database with an “E” – meaning “estimated.” In 1970, about 10% of the data was missing, but that number has increased to almost 50%, meaning that almost half of the current adjusted data is fake.
It is very difficult for any sane, clear-thinking and rational individual to ignore the repeated revelations of data manipulation over almost 10 years since ClimateGate occurred. It will become more and more difficult for Believers to convince the rest of us that we should believe anything coming from these "official" bodies and agencies.
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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by jimjay » March 22, 2018, 9:05 am

The DATA ALARMISTS have spoken. Must be losing bad on the Trump front.

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Re: ClimateGate busts things wide open

Post by papafarang » March 22, 2018, 9:57 am

ClimateGate occurred....
still not read the memo, climategate was fake news ... there was no climategate . it only exist in your head, if you want to ignore 8 inquiries that all found nothing of significance carry on , the rest of the world has figured it out but you just don't get it.
it's easy . they set a computer programmed with known data on the climate and let it run to see if it matches what is already known . the next part is called research ,they update the data as it becomes available.
the next part seems to be your stumbling block. they then add data that they don't have to see what results they get, this is not data manipulation by the boffins...it's manipulated by the program itself, that's why its called a climate model
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