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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by Udon Map » October 5, 2016, 2:35 pm

Happybird77, let's clear up a few errors. First, you would never be banned or suspended for disagreeing with me on an issue that has nothing to do with the management of UM (assuming that you are civil, as you clearly have been).

Next, I am truly sorry that you seem to have such a jaundiced view of dentists. All of the dentists I have been to have known what they were doing; and for major procedures, I have always been offered a choice, with options explained, both in terms of good and bad. Often, the less costly choice was the one recommended by the dentist. Not to say that there aren't unscrupulous ones out there; but you seem to have encountered more than your share.
Yes, the roots are never removed or destroyed. When the nerve is gone all you have is a "dead" tooth with its roots.
Yes, but that's exactly the opposite of what you said originally.
If you damage the tooth badly into the nerve, yes, you should have a root canal (its pulling out the nerve root, this is what I meant) and then a crown would be recommended.
There is no such thing as a "nerve root." There is the root, and the nerve. They're separate.
Seems to me your Doc was not confident in what he did. Once the root canel is done it should be sealed immediately to prevent infection, providing it was done under sterial conditions.
Yes, when the root canal is finished, it is filled and sealed, as I said above. But before that happens, the antibiotic is usually given a few days to do its work killing the infection completely before the canal is sealed. It has nothing to do with uncertainty about getting all of the nerve. It has to do with ensuring that all of the infection is eliminated before sealing it up.



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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by FLICKFLACKER404 » October 5, 2016, 2:53 pm

can anyone recommend a dentist that has done a implant for them,if so would be interested to know how long ago it was,cheers

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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by 747man » October 5, 2016, 5:14 pm

FLICKFLACKER404 wrote:can anyone recommend a dentist that has done a implant for them,if so would be interested to know how long ago it was,cheers
With Teeth Like You'res I'd just get the LOT Pulled.....
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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by Happybird77 » October 5, 2016, 5:25 pm

Admin, please don't get caught up on a technical wording. OK, "nerve root" is the nerve of the root.
And, my reflections of Dentists don't come from my bad experiences. You know how many dentists I worked with,? a couple hundred. I saw what they were doing. In fact, I "fired" over 20 Dentists in my career and banned them from using my services. When I needed a filling or cleaning, I called the best, and never paid for anything. I have one gold crown and fillings. With regular flossing and rinsing you can eliminate many future problems.
You said the exact opposite: Yes, when the root canal is finished, it is filled and sealed, as I said above. But before that happens, the antibiotic is usually given a few days to do its work killing the infection completely before the canal is sealed.
This is a contradiction: if the Doc did his job right, it will be sealed up, because he did the root canal under sterile conditions. Why would you send someone off for a couple days? So they can breathe in their corsenogens (smoking) and toxic foods, and alcohal?
Lets bump this up a bit. A infection does not come from the tooth, but from what the tooth is doing to the gums. Yes, pain is from the tooth, but infection is from whats going on under the tooth. Floss, use Antiseptic and you can cure most problems.
Bad breath can be from an infection under your teeth, calcium builds on the roots and opens the way for food (saliva) to get under the gums and it will rot...resulting in decay.
Our body talks to us, listen to it.
Listen: got loose teeth? Floss them, they will be "tight" tomarrow.
Got puffy red gums? Floss them!
Got another problem, post it or PM if you want to be descreet.
Admin, I know you are skeptical, but if you are OK with what I am trying to do (offer free advice) then I will continue. If not, I am retired, don't need frustrations, I will end my "advice".
About Implants, The World's biggest Implant company "3I Inplant innovations" out of Germany displays some of my work, collaberated with my appliances. Thats 3 I (capital I (eye), research it.
Listen...you may get a lower price on a implant, but if you get "knock-off" implants, you are getting "Sub-Standard"materials. Quality implants are made with metals our body can accept. Your body will not accept "nickel, berilium". it may go in and do its job, but the leaking toxins will manifest itself in the form of achne, head aches. ect.
On that note, get out all the mercury amalgums!
Admin, I like that you challenge things, Its shows you have a brain. I welcome your questions.
Basically, if you can go into an office with a bit of "technical" understanding, they will give you a better service for your money.
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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by Happybird77 » October 5, 2016, 6:15 pm

747man, "Get the lot pulled" really? This was the understanding during the Great Depression.
Listen, my Mother flew from Michigan to Florida to let her "son" evaluate and diagnose her teeth problems.
Evaluation: she had Pioria. Maybe Phyioriea. My spelling is questionable, same as Bumper. Forgive us.
After the initial impressions, it was determined she had Phyoria (a gum infection) (this will result in soft teeth, breaking teeth...you will nickel and dime yourself to death). I told her she needed a full upper denture and lower partial. This required the removal of 24 teeth..I made the new Denture, and lower partial, and sent to her in the mail. She went to her Doc, had the removals done. Doc inserted them, "NO ADJUSTMENTS".. She complained because she sat for 3 hours one day "trying to get her denture out".
A proper denture must be functional and balanced to operate properly.
If the Denture teeth are "forward" of your ridge, you can expect speech problems, and a "whistleing" noise and chewing problems.

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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by pipoz4444 » October 5, 2016, 9:52 pm

Sorry Happybird77 but this was not meant to turn into a pissing contest.

And yes he did redo or re-drill the center of that root what I said.

I developed an abscess under that tooth that was crowned.

When I went to the Dentist, he also advised that the under the edge of the old gold crown was signs of some decay, as well. The gold crown had been on that tooth for 40 years, put on when the tooth was very sensitive in my early years, done at Dental Hospital in Australia, buy Student Dentists (one anyway) in there final year of training under the watchful eye of the Dentist who taught them. I was one of their practice guinea pigs, for the Students at that Dental Hospital for five years

Anyway, after removing the old crown, taking some X rays and removing he decayed part, the Dentist advised me that he needed to re-drill down through one of the two roots, (which had previously had root canal) and presumably had the nerves removed some 40 years earlier. What I understood him to say, was that he was concerned that one of the roots had not been properly drilled out before.

His call not mine, as I am just sitting in the chair

Anyway he did re-drill out that root and presumably filled it before he refitted the new ceramic crown

I was there in the Chair, you were not

Anyway all is fine now and no re occurring abscess
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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by Udon Map » October 5, 2016, 9:57 pm

Admin, I know you are skeptical, but if you are OK with what I am trying to do (offer free advice) then I will continue. If not, I am retired, don't need frustrations, I will end my "advice".
Sure, -- no problem at all.
Admin, I like that you challenge things, Its shows you have a brain. I welcome your questions.
Thanks, -- I always like an interesting conversation.
I told her she needed a full upper denture and lower partial. This required the removal of 24 teeth..I made the new Denture, and lower partial, and sent to her in the mail. She went to her Doc, had the removals done. Doc inserted them, "NO ADJUSTMENTS".
Don't you fit the dentures to a model of the patient's mouth made from a mold for the precise and tight fit? How did you make your mother's mold before the teeth were extracted?
This is a contradiction: if the Doc did his job right, it will be sealed up, because he did the root canal under sterile conditions. Why would you send someone off for a couple days? So they can breathe in their corsenogens (smoking) and toxic foods, and alcohal?
No, the antibiotic, itself, is a gel which stays in the canal for the few days. There's no opportunity for anything else to get in because the canal is completely filled, to the top, with the antibiotic gel. The dentist removes the gel on the next visit by a combination of suction and flushing. So the patient can smoke all he wants, -- it doesn't affect the antibiotic gel or what it's doing.

Completely agree with you on the numerous benefits of daily flossing.

IME implants are not cheap. I have one tooth which could benefit from being replaced with an implant, although nothing urgent (it's been that way for a few years). I've priced them both here (Dental Hospital Bangkok on Suk Soi 49) and at home (Boston, Mass. USA). I haven't found that much of a price difference; although I admit that Dental Hospital Bangkok isn't one of the cheaper places in Thailand. I've always been extremely happy with the quality of the work and professional manner in which I was treated there. Many of the dentists are U.S. trained. I also met some who were trained at Mahidol University Faculty of Dentistry, which has an excellent reputation.

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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by 747man » October 6, 2016, 11:32 am

Happybird77 wrote:747man, "Get the lot pulled" really? This was the understanding during the Great Depression.
Listen, my Mother flew from Michigan to Florida to let her "son" evaluate and diagnose her teeth problems.
Evaluation: she had Pioria. Maybe Phyioriea. My spelling is questionable, same as Bumper. Forgive us.
After the initial impressions, it was determined she had Phyoria (a gum infection) (this will result in soft teeth, breaking teeth...you will nickel and dime yourself to death). I told her she needed a full upper denture and lower partial. This required the removal of 24 teeth..I made the new Denture, and lower partial, and sent to her in the mail. She went to her Doc, had the removals done. Doc inserted them, "NO ADJUSTMENTS".. She complained because she sat for 3 hours one day "trying to get her denture out".
A proper denture must be functional and balanced to operate properly.
If the Denture teeth are "forward" of your ridge, you can expect speech problems, and a "whistleing" noise and chewing problems.
Hey,Happybird...........It's a Wind Up between myself & The Silly FLUCKER.....

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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by parrot » October 6, 2016, 3:36 pm

I believe I posted Panda Dental price for an implant at 38,000 Baht.....I passed the sign today and it's 39,000. Sorry about that.

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Post by Lone Star » October 6, 2016, 3:50 pm

After a search, I found a great dentist across the street from the public hospital in Khon Kaen. English is excellent. Her husband shares office space and is an M.D. His English is better than many falangs who I know. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Prices are excellent. Beside manner is also excellent.

Dr. Nuanpan is her name. The next time I need dental care, I will return to her.
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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by Happybird77 » October 6, 2016, 9:55 pm

747man, have no idea what you are talking about.
Admin, Good question..you sound like you have been through this proceedure before or known someone. OK, here goes, this proceedure is called doing an "immediate" denture or some call it "an embarrassment denture. (one my my specialties)
Yes you need impressions of the top and bottom of the mouth (maxillary and mandibuile) , you need perfect impressions. Then a wax bite, so the models can be articulated to hold the placement of the teeth. As with Mom, I made all the notes needed to correct everything that needed to be corrected. Got the shade, made them whiter but not too white (you go by the color of the eye, never more white). Explained to her she was going to have a hollywood smile and look 15 years younger. Put her on the plane home. One by one, you remove a tooth from the model and replace it with a denture tooth, closing in all the gaps and spaces, bring in all the teeth that were flared out. I scrape the model as I go to represent the immediate bone loss that will follow the teeth removal. Finish set-up, wax-up, prepare for investment, process with desired shade of acrylic. Cut the posterior teeth off the lower model, scrape the bone area down, design the partial framework I want. Send to my friend who does the castings. Partial returns, remount to the Full upper denture with a new bite made before removing the lower. Set up the lower teeth against the new upper, wax, process & finish, F/ and /P. Package and ship. Perfect. Can you imagine messing up your Moms smile? Yes, no try-in. There is nothing to try in, most teeth are remaining.There is much more technical stuff involved, Your probably in brain over load by now.
I was licensed by the State of Florida Dental Association for 20 years. Dental Technician. We make the appliances that make the Dr look good, if he gives us what we need.
You who are thinking about implants, the cheapest place may be the worst. He gives a cheaper price because he gets cheaper on everything he uses. I don't know any good dentists to recommend, but I can tell you one bit of advice. Find out kind of metal implant & screws he is going to use. It should be a combination of Titanium / Palladium, no nickel or bervrilium. Find out if you are alergic to any certain metals. Once its screwed in, you are screwed with your jaw swelling up like a baseball from the infection of the bad metal or dirty metals out there. Yes, we called them rear bumper metal, alot of this junk came from China. There you go, bye

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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by wazza » October 7, 2016, 7:12 am

Has anyone done any serious research on Flossing ?

The dental associations agree . Very little and study groups of 50 etc arent a good base line.

I read recently its one of the biggest medical scams of the last 40 yrs.

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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by Happybird77 » October 7, 2016, 10:37 am

WOW, here you guys go again! Wassa, What's Sup? Because you have many posts, do you know many will follow this false info you are signing your name to, because you said it? Thats a disservice to your fellow man. Please research everything before you sign your "Hancock" to it. I don't blame you because you are only saying what you read, which is propaganda from this industry. Every industry is full of propaganda. This is how they build their profits.
Here is a video I will co-sign with- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCAQ4rzfbHQ
Two problems here though, If you use a Water-Pic or Sonic Care, don't leave these instuments on your teeth too long, don't sit watching TV and enjoy the soft massage you feel, you are actually vibrating your teeth and actually loosening it from the gums. What is vibration? Mix some cement, let it sit a couple minutes, it will get thick and firm, apply a vibration, it turns into a soupy form. My Thai friend in the US victimized himself by this, he had to have 3 teeth removed, I made him a Partial. (Free) Another thing, if you can floss once a week or even once a month, its better than every day. Constant flossing will push the gums down exposing the root of the tooth if you always apply too much pressure.
If you floss regularly you can eliminate most problems. This is why the Dental Association don't want to do it.
Cavities result from not brushing regularly, going to bed with sugars, ect. in your teeth will create a "rotting" of the enamel, a cavity. If you see a "black spot" forming, a baby cavity, you can eliminate it with dailey brushing.
Lets talk about tooth removal. Why do Doc's insist you remove your "wisdon teeth" at a young age? 1: they are easier to remove before the mature roots grow longer. 2: Most people do not brush thoroughly the 3rd molars, resulting in abcesses/ infections. Myself, had 2 -3rd infected molars removed at a later age by a Dental Surgeon/ friend. No charge to me. Removing a molar at a late age? The roots can be wrapped around your jaw (lower arch) and a unethical Doc can fracture your jaw by pulling the 4 rooted tooth out. The proper treatment is to section the molar into 4 quadrants, this is done with Dental hammer and chissal. A slight tap will split the tooth "long ways" and a cross tap will create quadrants. Thats 4 pieces, four roots, which can then be easily pulled out.
Upper molars are a bit more serious, because above the bone is your sinus cavity. A long rooted molar can pull out flesh and open up the sinus area, this will need to be repaired by an "emergency surgery "flap" of the tissue to close the sinus opening.
This is why you should floss! Good Day

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Post by wazza » October 7, 2016, 10:45 am

Yappybird 77

This wasnt the report i read but the first one Google offered.

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Post by RLTrader » October 7, 2016, 11:16 am

GARYZX6R wrote:
RLTrader wrote:All that I can say is WOW! Prices seem to have more than tripled in 5 years. WOW!
How do you come to this conclusion ? :-k
Wife had I think 3 teeth done, maybe 2 or 3 roots each and crowns. I am pretty sure it did not cost 60 to 80 k per tooth, cause I sure don't have that type of money. Wild guest would be under 20k each. But the whole process takes many visits over months, and pay so much after each visit.

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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by grievous » October 8, 2016, 10:02 pm

Are you a dentist Angry Bird?

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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by 747man » October 9, 2016, 11:40 am

grievous wrote:Are you a dentist Angry Bird?
He or She is A Troll Mate...Are You... :shock: :shock:

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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by grievous » October 9, 2016, 11:47 am

Yes 747 you caught me

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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by Faraday » October 23, 2017, 12:09 pm

Just bumping this up to see if anyone has been to see the Dental Clinic mentioned in the first post.

I really do need to find a decent dentist in Udon; my experience with about 4 of them was not good.

Problem I found is lack of experience: young ladies fresh out of dental school, who were, compared to my dentist in the UK, clueless.

The last one was the US trained specialized dentist in town, who seemed good, but violently expensive. Bit pushy also.

So, please give me your recommendations & the name of the dentist you saw. It will help me alot.

Thanks.

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Re: dentist: current prises

Post by vidmaster » October 23, 2017, 12:38 pm

Try Wattana Hospital

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