Deniers can deny all they want. I live in Fairbanks Alaska in the summer but have been traveling to Thailand since my retirement 6 years ago. This year appears to be like last year, very warm with little snow. I am living climate change. I have not seen -60 since the mid 70's when we had those temps at least 3 times a winter and lasted for almost 3 weeks and the new cold snap is a whopping -40 that lasts for maybe a week. We Americans are led to believe it is a natural occurrence to continue the astounding profits the elites are making while mother earth is dying. No worries though if it gets much worse mother earth will simply reset humanity. Our top priority in this incarnation is to be the stewards not the destroyers.

https://www.adn.com/arctic/2016/11/17/t ... -descends/
The Chena River that runs through Fairbanks is still not frozen over.

50 years is a drop in the bucket, and the local UM climate change guru would tell you "THAT'S WEATHER, not climate. Learn the difference."

Back to the the topic: Leo's movie.

Leo's movie is just that, a movie. Very dramatic. Lots of shocking special effects. Just like AlGore's movie with the predictions that never happened. That's why the Believers don't gain much support. Their predictions are often wrong.

Ok, weather and climate. here is a definition for each:

Weather

the state of the atmosphere at a place and time as regards heat, dryness, sunshine, wind, rain, etc.

Climate

the composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation, sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a series of years

Ok not exactly specific, but i don't think 50 years is weather. does one years weather vary from another - yes. How many should a series of years be to say it's climate? well, nothings set in stone, but if the climate is stable, if you average the weather conditions recorded over 10 years there should be little change from one decade to another, so i would say you need at least a decade. Most climactic averages for regions are done on a 30 or 40 year average basis.

If we look at the decadal averages, in the first 100 years of the instrumental temperature record (from 1880 onwards) only 2 decades show a temperature change of more than 0.1 degree centigrade. Total warming over 100 years is 0.3 degrees centigrade. Every decade since 1980 has seen a temperature rise of nearly 0.2 degrees centigrade, including the current decade (which is only half complete). In the last 35 years the temperature has warmed nearly 3 times as much as the previous 100 years. That's not variable weather, that's climate change.

ok weather, that's when you open the door and it's raining, that's weather, weather can change by the hour
ok climate, that's when open the door expecting rain but it never comes, leading to drought. climate changes over 1,000's or 10,000's of years. we know that to be true. we study weather to put together data to see if climate is changing. for those that don't 'get it' please explain why then we have weather/climate, why are there two different words if they mean the same thing. I mean Florida has a nice climate, but it also has some nasty weather. this is a concept a 10 year old would have no problem with , climate is relatively stable, weather is unstable. but hey up to you ,if a simple concept is outside of someone's ability to grasp, then there no hope of understanding the idea of climate change either.
the uk in November is damp and cold, but hey its 8.30 in the morning without a cloud in the sky ,has the climate changed , no the weather has, will it be sunny tomorrow, probably not. perhaps I should watch the TV for tomorrows 'climate forecast'

This climate/weather thing being discussed by a sandwich maker isn't very reliable anyway; but I guess he thinks he's more qualified than a geography teacher or a Christian who believes in creationism.

Since this thread is about Leo's movie, I'd like to hear what the Believers think is true about his Hollywood blockbuster. I know the scenes were dynamic and exiting, but I'm curious to know what facts, and from where they were obtained, are in the movie.

, lack of self control old bean . if you believe planet earth was not even in existence 10,000 years ago, and Noah's ark actually had dinosaurs on then up to you.
'but I guess he thinks he's more qualified than a geography teacher or a Christian who believes in creationism'
yes I am actually . 'a sandwich maker isn't very reliable anyway' . mmm getting nasty, is that your only way to deal with it, is that your best retort ? sadly your seem to do that on most threads, and baiting and trolling me only gives other members something to laugh about.
anyway it was a interesting movie anyway.

According to Stephen Hawking, our days are numbered — unless we find a new planet to live on.

During a talk at Oxford Union debating society this week, the renowned theoretical physicist said that humanity probably only has about 1,000 years left before we go extinct.

In his 74 years, Hawking has spoken several times about our doomed fate, with the risk of things like nuclear war increasing as well as the oncoming threat of global warming. He has also warned that the development of artificial intelligence could end mankind .

Our only hope of escaping these dangers, says Hawking, is by finding another habitable planet.

"We must also continue to go into space for the future of humanity," he said. "I don’t think we will survive another 1,000 years without escaping beyond our fragile planet."
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NASA launched its Kepler spacecraft in 2009, whose mission is to do just that.

It was designed to search the nearby region of our galaxy for Earth-sized planets orbiting in the habitable zone of stars similar to our sun.

This zone is also called the "Goldilocks zone" because it is the range where pressure and temperature are "just right" for liquid water to exist on a planet's surface.

This year, the astronomers were excited by the discovery of Proxima B, which is an Earth-size planet orbiting in the star Proxima Centauri's habitable zone.

It also lies just 4.2 light-years away from us, which in space terms is pretty close. So far, Proxima B looks like our best chance of escape.

Hawking's speech ended with him encouraging the students to stay curious and told them to remember to "look up to the stars and not down at your feet."

The nearest star is Proxima Centauri at a distance of 4.2 light years. At a speed of 150,000 miles per hour from a passive slingshot maneuver, it would take about 17,900 years to reach this star.
I don't think we will be visiting there any time soon. that would also mean 220 generations born in space on the way. humans on earth and the astronauts wouldn't even speak the same language, technology on the craft would advance so slow, and 300 years into the flight they would be over taken by the next faster ship we build . this kind of travel just impossible. ok maybe in 500 years we might routinely operate on mars, that's if it turns out we find water, and we find a reason to actually go there. ok send probes and lets see what's out there, but like the moon, it wasn't made out of cheese, turned out to be a rock that funny enough is made from the same rock as earth, that's way we don't bother with the moon anymore

papafarang wrote:yes I am actually . 'a sandwich maker isn't very reliable anyway' . mmm getting nasty, is that your only way to deal with it, is that your best retort ?

Only doing what you do. Discounting someone's view based on their occupation.

Not very fair is it? :-"

Later.

here you go. have a read. and also a bit on one of his colleagues. it didn't take long for this thread to end in the gutter did it .
http://www.desmogblog.com/david-legates ... matologist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Soon

Lone Star wrote:This climate/weather thing being discussed by a sandwich maker isn't very reliable anyway; but I guess he thinks he's more qualified than a geography teacher or a Christian who believes in creationism.

George Foreman?

Creationism is a belief, not science. Movies are movies, loosely based on reality and leaving out the boring bits.

Anyway, reality.

Well, it seems both the Arctic and Antarctic are a bit short of ice this month.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ene ... 1e21abf471

rick wrote:Creationism is a belief, not science. Movies are movies, loosely based on reality and leaving out the boring bits.

Anyway, reality.

Well, it seems both the Arctic and Antarctic are a bit short of ice this month.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ene ... 1e21abf471

This month? The UM MMCC guru would say "WEATHER!"

Well, weather or not, it has resulted in a new ice low for this time of year.

Today's UK weather is wet and miserable , this weeks weather is going to be wet and miserable.
The weather in Nuuk is expected to be -2 and sunny. But the CLIMATE for the northern hemisphere is expected to be record highs this year.
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November 3, 2016, 8:58 am

Just ten minutes in to the film i started to think about the yearly flooding we get here in Thailand/Bankok.Bankok is slowly sinkin in to the mud,ad to that that the people here only think from one day to another,if even that.Education in this matter..well just look at all these plastic and foamboxes been thrown/use everyday.Waterlevels get worse/rise by the year..Bankok..in 40 years..afraid to even think about the idea Mutuelles senior..Then we have Kina/USA/Russia and all the other BIGTIME polluters..doing what..I tryed to do some recycling smallscale,meaning at my home..well the garbargetruck many times just don't care..end up mixing it all toghether.I try to clean a 100 hundred meter stretch of garbage on each side of my soi..i could easly do it everyother day..i maybe do it 2 times a month..Well atleast Thais gives me the tumbsup when they passes me do this..and hopefully it rubs off..wishfull thinking..i know.

Okey,back wathing the movie..thanks for reading.

Ah, there was a movie that told a tsunami but I do not remember which one. Otherwise, thank you for sharing the info.