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Post by Lone Star » September 10, 2018, 6:14 am

Carter Page and George Papadopoulos are the two mid-level staffers on Trump's campaign who were fed broad and general information -- "Russians have dirt on Hillary" -- and repeated it. These are the two guys who the Feds set up to initiate their counterintelligence investigation to go along with the phony Trump dossier provided by Steele and through Fusion GPS -- hired by Hillary and the DNC to dig up dirt on Trump.

Carter Page was a past informant for the FBI. Papadopoulos was an unpaid volunteer on Trump's campaign who claims to have suggested that he could set up a meeting with Russians to get dirt on Hillary. The meeting never happened.

Today, Carter Page walks free; and he was the guy who the Feds tapped in phone calls and emails to nail the Trump campaign. He was the subject of the first FISA warrant to surveil an American citizen. Nothing, nada, zilch. If you've ever seen any media interviews with Carter Page, you have to wonder if his elevator goes to all the floors. He is sometimes rattling on in a disjointed fashion, gets off topic easily and is slightly incoherent. At least, that's my view and the view of some others -- including some of his interviewers. There are some interviews on YouTube. Watch 'em.

After all of the glee and celebration by the Hate-Trump crowd and the over-zealous legal analysts paid by the eneMedia over Papadopoulos cooperating with the Feds in early 2017, he gets 14 days in federal prison for lying to the FBI. What was the lie? Papadopoulos supposedly got his timeline wrong (according to the Feds) as to when he had interactions with two operatives who provided him with information that he repeated. Even the judge at his sentencing stated that he did not believe that Papadopoulos lied, which is why his sentence was so meager. After all the sh*t the Feds put Papadopoulos through, 14 days is a joke.

So the two big bombshell Trump campaign staffers, who were supposedly neck-deep with Russians, get a total of 14 days in federal prison, and there is no evidence of conspiracy with Russians.

And now you're thinking, "What about Manafort?" That was a total washout as far as connecting the Trump Campaign or Trump to anything. Those were all old cases that the Feds chose not to prosecute years ago, but dug them up to pressure Manafort into turning evidence against Trump. Nothing, nada, zilch.

So the big deal now is going after Trump for anything they can find -- almost all of it YEARS AGO and before he was ever even a candidate for president. Can't spend millions of dollars of taxpayer money for a dry well. 55555

Investigate the man to find a crime. That's never been how US Justice is supposed to work.

Immediately below this paragraph is an interview of Papadopolous by CNN's Jake Tapper that was conducted in the past week. Draw your own conclusions, but before you start hypothesizing about what you think Papadopolous did or didn't do or his role, or whether or not you believe him about anything he says, remember that the Feds put this guy and his wife through the wringer for more than a year. As badly as they want to GET TRUMP, they'd have found something or made it up (like the Steele dossier and the leaks to the media to get the FISA warrants).



What does this all have to do with Hillary and her emails? The guys in Obama's DOJ and Obama's FBI, who were involved in Hillary's investigation and, according to the Inspector General, handled that investigation against policy and protocol (apparently to blow it off and exonerate her) are the same ones heading the GET TRUMP investigation through the Mueller Special Counsel (Strzok's "insurance policy"). They're all connected through LONG friendships, evidence of contact and bias through emails and text messages to stop Trump and/or get Trump, and favorable and unfavorable bias towards Hillary and Trump respectively. And as I've mentioned before in this thread, they are ALL from high level positions in the DOJ and FBI, which is rare for any investigations to be conducted by so many people at this level from Washington, DC.

As Alan Dershowitz has said on numerous occasions, and I paraphrase: 'The biggest federal crime today is being connected in any way to Donald Trump.'

If unredacted FISA warrants become public, the sham of an investigation will begin to be exposed even further.


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Re: Did Clinton email faux pas cost 20 agents lives?

Post by Lone Star » September 10, 2018, 6:56 am

Andrew C. McCarthy is a former assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. He led the 1995 terrorism prosecution against Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman and eleven others. The defendants were convicted of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and of planning a series of attacks against New York City landmarks. He also contributed to the prosecutions of terrorists who bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. He resigned from the Justice Department in 2003. He is a contributing editor of National Review and a senior fellow at the National Review Institute.

His latest article lays things out pretty well. His article focuses on the fact that evidence of a crime is necessary for an investigation to begin. The US Justice System does not investigate people in the hopes of finding a crime.

Mr. Rosenstein, What Is the Crime?
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/ ... stigation/

(My emphasis added.)
What’s the legal basis for his special-counsel investigation? We have a right to know.

For precisely what federal crimes is the president of the United States under investigation by a special counsel appointed by the Justice Department?

It is intolerable that, after more than two years of digging — the 16-month Mueller probe having been preceded by the blatantly suspect labors of the Obama Justice Department and FBI — we still do not have an answer to that simple question.

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein owes us an answer.

To my mind, he has owed us an answer from the beginning, meaning when he appointed Special Counsel Robert Mueller on May 17, 2017. The regulations under which he made the appointment require (a) a factual basis for believing that a federal crime worthy of investigation or prosecution has been committed; (b) a conflict of interest so significant that the Justice Department is unable to investigate this suspected crime in the normal course; and (c) an articulation of the factual basis for the criminal investigation — i.e., the investigation of specified federal crimes — which shapes the boundaries of the special counsel’s jurisdiction.

This last provision is designed to prevent a special counsel’s investigation from becoming a fishing expedition — or what President Trump calls a “witch hunt,” what DAG Rosenstein more diplomatically disclaims as an “unguided missile,” and what Harvard’s Alan Dershowitz, invoking Lavrentiy Beria, Stalin’s secret-police chief, pans as the warped dictum, “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime.” In our country, the crime triggers the assignment of a prosecutor, not the other way around.

Trump Makes It Hard to Defend Trump
Sound reasons undergird the regulations. If a Democrat were in the White House, we would know them by heart at this point. Republicans once knew them well, too. That was before Donald Trump’s character flaws had them shrugging their shoulders, resigned that he deserves to be investigated whether he committed a crime or not.

Yet, the rationale for the regulations relates to the presidency, not to the man or woman who happens to occupy the office at a particular time. It is too debilitating to the governance of the United States, to the pursuit of America’s interests in the world, for us to permit imposing on the presidency the heavy burdens of defending against a criminal investigation unless there is significant evidence that the president has committed a serious crime.

As illustrated by this week’s hearings on the Supreme Court nomination of Brett Kavanaugh, Democrats are too Trump-deranged in this moment to recognize their interest in avoiding a prosecutor’s cloud over future Democratic administrations. (Of course, they probably calculate that no Democratic attorney general would appoint a special counsel, no matter the evidence, and that the media would compliantly play along.) It is therefore up to Republicans to respond to the damage being done to the office. This can be hard to do.

If policy were all that mattered, the Trump presidency would be a rousing success. The economy is humming. The yokes of tax and regulation have been eased to the extent that, despite tariff hijinks, unemployment has plummeted and employers have trouble filling positions. Meanwhile, the federal courts are being stocked with exemplary jurists who, for decades, will be faithful stewards of the Constitution.

Alas, there’s a lot more to it than policy. You want to slough off as unreliable the latest ABC/Washington Post poll that has Trump’s job approval at just 38 percent (with 60 percent disapproving)? Okay . . . but since he seems hell-bent on personalizing the midterms as a referendum on him, it is less easy to ignore that the so-called generic ballot is swinging the Democrats’ way: by nearly 10 points according to FiveThirtyEight, while even more Trump-friendly Rasmussen reflects a recent Democratic surge to a four-point lead.

As the Wall Street Journal’s Dan Henninger observes, the president’s loyal base, consisting of roughly a third of the voting public, is going to be with him and, presumably, with Republicans. Still, if a Democratic takeover of the House is to be avoided, the GOP desperately needs the voters who reluctantly pulled the lever for Trump only because he was not Hillary Clinton.

You may notice that Mrs. Clinton is not on the ballot this time. Meanwhile, in just the last few days, the president has attacked his attorney general yet again, this time for prosecuting two allegedly corrupt Republican congressmen and thus refusing to politicize the Justice Department; he has conflated himself with the country in absurdly suggesting that an anonymous derogatory op-ed by an administration official might amount to “TREASON,” such that the New York Times should “turn [the author] over to the government at once” for the sake of “National Security”; and he has used Communist North Korea’s murderous anti-American dictator Kim Jong-un as a character reference. If this is the plan for turning out the Trump-skeptical vote, I respectfully suggest that it needs rethinking.

It’s about the Presidency, Not the President
More to the point, these derelictions — the president’s self-supplied fuel for the media narrative of an unhinged chief executive — make it politically risky for Republicans to defend the presidency by defending the president from what appears to be an unwarranted investigation.

To be clear, if there is probable cause to believe that Donald Trump was criminally complicit in Russia’s interference in the 2016 election, he must be investigated, and the nation must resign itself to the compromised administration that entails. But we have never been told, much less shown, that this is the case. It is supposed to be established before the investigation commences.

Meantime, not only have millions of public dollars been expended on Mueller’s investigation; administration officials have had to go into their own pockets, paying millions in legal fees to defend themselves and comply with the special counsel’s demands. Executive officials have been forced to deal with Congress and foreign leaders while hamstrung by criminal suspicion of the president. Trump aside, the signal has gone out to the meritorious people we should want to serve in future administrations: Why leave your prestigious, profitable job to serve in government and risk financial and reputational ruin?

Congressional Republicans are letting this happen because they don’t want to stick their necks out for Donald Trump. Yet this is not solely about Donald Trump, much as he seems determined to frame it that way. It is about a constitutional office that is far more critical than any current incumbent.

Questioning the Legitimacy of Mueller’s Investigation
Echoing Democrats, Republicans say Robert Mueller, a patriotic and honorable man, should be allowed to finish his work. Let’s take Trump the lightning-rod out of the equation. If we were to pretend that the president is a Democrat, what would be made of that claim?

1. Rectitude
Mueller’s personal rectitude would be irrelevant. If he or you don’t think so, go ask Ken Starr. In any event, a prosecutor’s personal integrity is never dispositive when he or she commences an investigation, seeks a warrant, or tries an accused. What matters is whether the laws and rules have been satisfied.

2. Special Counsel Neither Necessary Nor Authorized for Investigation of Russia
If the president were a Democrat, it would be pointed out that to question the special counsel’s criminal investigation of the president is not to question the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation of Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. The latter is vital. No one denies that it should be aggressively pursued to its conclusion.

Moreover, if the counterintelligence investigation were incidentally to turn up concrete evidence that Donald Trump had committed a crime, no one denies that a special counsel appointment would be appropriate at that time. (Get it? Evidence of crime first, then assignment of prosecutor.) But unless and until that were to happen, a counterintelligence investigation does not need a prosecutor at all, much less a special counsel. That is why the aforementioned special-counsel regulations do not authorize an appointment for counterintelligence cases.

3. Conflict of Interest
It is a condition precedent to the appointment of a special counsel that there be a conflict of interest. There is no such conflict preventing the Justice Department from investigating Russian interference in the election. If that were not obvious enough, Mueller himself has elucidated the point by transferring the two indictments he has brought against Russian operatives to Justice Department components — the “Troll Farm” case to the U.S. attorney’s office in the District of Columbia, and the hacking case to Main Justice’s National Security Division. If there were a conflict of interest, it would be inappropriate for the special counsel to make such transfers. To the contrary, there is no reason why DOJ could not have investigated these cases in the normal course — if there is a “normal course” for a pair of publicity-stunt cases that will never be prosecuted.

But while we’re on the subject of conflicts . . . let’s have a brief look at Mueller’s staff.

The president is in the habit of ranting about “17 angry Democrats.” As is often the case, this misses the point. There is nothing wrong per se with a president’s being investigated by prosecutors registered with the opposition party. Of course, for the sake of his own credibility, Mueller is foolish to have stacked his staff with partisans. (Please, spare me the blather about how the Justice Department is not allowed to inquire about party affiliation when hiring. These are not obscure lawyers who applied for a job; they are well-known lawyers whom Mueller recruited into a hyperpolitical case, fully aware that they are activist Democrats.) But there is foolish, and then there is disqualifying. Being a Democrat is not disqualifying.

Still, we must ask, Why was Mueller appointed? Supposedly, because DOJ was too conflicted. So whom does he turn around and recruit? Well, his chief deputy is Andrew Weissman, and his main legal beagle is Michael Dreeben. They were two of the top officials at the purportedly conflicted DOJ — respectively, chief of the criminal-fraud section and deputy solicitor general. Before her stint as Hillary Clinton’s lawyer, Jeannie Rhee was DOJ’s deputy assistant attorney general. She, like several other members of Mueller’s bloated staff, comes to the task of investigating the president either directly from the purportedly conflicted Justice Department or after a brief stint in private practice.

In any proper special-counsel investigation, it would be worth asking why, if the Justice Department is too conflicted to handle the case, its top officials are an ethical fit to staff the case. In this particular investigation, however, the actions of the Justice Department (and the FBI) in commencing and pursuing the Trump/Russia probe are themselves under investigation by the Justice Department and its inspector general, and by several congressional committees. Under those circumstances, how is it appropriate to staff a special-counsel probe, which is premised on avoiding a conflict of interest, with lawyers who were top officials in the Justice Department whose conduct of the same probe is itself under investigation? If we pretend that the president is a Democrat, and we throw in for good measure Weissman’s adulation of former acting attorney general Sally Yates for insubordinately defying the president on an enforcement matter, is it not worth asking why Attorney General Jeff Sessions had to recuse himself but Weissman gets to run the investigation?

If a Democrat were in the White House, it wouldn’t happen. Because if a Democrat were in the White House, and Weissman & Co. were Republicans transferred over from the Republican DOJ now under investigation, congressional Democrats would be screaming that there was no conflict of interest warranting the appointment of a special counsel, and that the only apparent conflict involved the prosecutors. And Republicans sages would be meekly agreeing — as would I (less meekly, I hope).

What Is the Crime?
There is one thing and one thing alone that would justify the appointment of a special counsel: concrete evidence that Donald Trump committed a crime in connection with Russia’s election interference. So, to repeat: For precisely what federal crime is the president of the United States under investigation?

DAG Rosenstein owed us an explanation of this on Day One. He and Mueller’s staff have evaded this obligation by arguing that nothing in the special-counsel regulations requires a public recitation of the factual basis for the investigation. More haughtily, they claim that the special-counsel regulations are not enforceable — they’re just hortatory guidelines that DOJ may flout at will.

Allow me to translate: Rosenstein claims that the Justice Department’s desire for investigative secrecy takes precedence over the president’s capacity to govern.

This, notwithstanding that in every independent-counsel investigation since Watergate, the president and the public have been apprised of exactly what crimes necessitated an investigation. And notwithstanding the Supreme Court’s rationalization, in Morrison v. Olson (1988), that the constitutionally dubious statute (since lapsed) authorizing an independent counsel passed muster because, prior to the appointment, the Justice Department first carefully established evidence of specific criminal-law violations.

That is preposterous. Investigative secrecy should never have had pride of place where the presidency is at stake. After 16 months, there is no excuse for it.

The Rosenstein Memo . . . and the Steele Dossier
It is no answer that Rosenstein has given Mueller a supplemental memorandum (dated August 2, 2017) purportedly fleshing out the factual basis for the investigation. This memorandum, too, has been almost completely withheld from Congress and the public. Furthermore, from what little we know of it (the passages unsealed in connection with the prosecution of Paul Manafort for crimes unrelated to Russia’s election-meddling), it is inadequate.

As I have previously noted, it appears that the Rosenstein memo merely asserts that there are “allegations” that crimes may have been committed. It does not provide a factual basis for believing these allegations are true.

The Justice Department claims the memo cannot be unsealed without compromising the investigation and potentially prejudicing uncharged people. The latter concern could easily be addressed by redacting the names — except, of course, the president’s, if it appears. (Remember, the point here is to determine if the president is under investigation, and for what crime.) Thus I suspect there is a more controversial reason for Rosenstein’s obstinacy: Unsealing would reveal that the memo relies on the Steele dossier — the unverified opposition-research project sponsored by the Clinton campaign.

What makes me say so? Well, here is one of the two passages that Rosenstein, under court pressure, has deigned to let us read: Mueller is authorized to investigate:

Allegations that Paul Manafort . . . Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government’s efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States of America, in violation of United States law.

To date, Manafort, like every other Trump-campaign official, has never been charged with a crime related to Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. Now, the Steele dossier is not the only “collusion” evidence against Manafort. There has been public reporting that, while he was Trump’s campaign chairman, Manafort furtively offered briefings on the campaign to Oleg Deripaska, an oligarch known to be close to Vladimir Putin (but intriguingly discussed as if he could be, or become, a Western intelligence asset in emails between dossier author Christopher Steele and top DOJ official Bruce Ohr). If true, this claim of Manafort’s offer to Deripaska is unseemly and suspicious, but it does not establish a crime. Manafort is also known to have been present at the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting, arranged by Donald Trump Jr. in hopes of scoring campaign dirt on Hillary Clinton from the Russian government. Again, unseemly, but not a crime per se (unless the campaign-finance laws are stretched in a way that would implicate many, many campaigns). No, the only publicly known, unambiguous allegation that Manafort was enmeshed in a criminal conspiracy involving the Trump campaign and Russia is sourced to the Steele dossier.

We know that in June 2017, a month after appointing Mueller, Rosenstein relied heavily on the Steele dossier in approving a FISA surveillance-warrant application (targeting former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page). Is it not reasonable to suspect that, less than two months after signing off on the warrant application, he would again rely on the Steele dossier in amplifying the basis for Mueller’s investigation?

More questions: Did Rosenstein have evidence other than the Steele dossier to support this criminal-collusion allegation against Manafort? Does the deputy attorney general acknowledge relying on the Steele dossier in his memo to Mueller? Are there other allegations in the Rosenstein memo that mirror the Steele dossier’s sensational, uncorroborated claims? Is Donald Trump named in the memo?

Mueller’s Report . . . about What?
The last question is the pertinent one. Reuters reported back in April of this year that Rosenstein assured Trump that he is not a “target” of Mueller’s probe. Even if true, that would not mean the president is not a subject of the probe. If he’s not, why wouldn’t we have been told that? Why hasn’t it been announced that the Trump aspect of the investigation is closed — if, indeed, it was ever open?

We have to assume that Trump is and has been under criminal investigation, even if there is not and has never been a crime.

It is frequently noted that, as special counsel, Mueller is expected to provide a report to Rosenstein, who will then decide what parts of the report to share with Congress and the public. This is said to explain why Mueller is being so thorough: He must be comprehensive even if he finds no prosecutable crimes.

Democrats, of course, anticipate that such a thoroughgoing, narrative report will form the basis for an impeachment of the president. Impeachment does not require proof of courtroom-prosecutable misconduct, but of any misconduct Congress might determine is — or might inflate into — high crimes and misdemeanors. The idea is that, despite the absence of penal offenses, Mueller will find discreditable and erratic behavior, which, post-midterms, a Democratic-controlled House can whip into “collusion” and “obstruction” for purposes of impeachment articles.

We go back, however, to first principles. The way this is supposed to work, the Justice Department must describe the factual basis for specified crimes – not discreditable, erratic behavior; crimes – that the special counsel is authorized to investigate. If the special counsel wants to investigate other crimes, he is supposed to ask for his jurisdiction to be expanded. When the special counsel writes his report, it is supposed to be about why prosecution of those crimes should be authorized or declined. That’s it. Mueller is a prosecutor working for the Justice Department, not counsel for a congressional impeachment committee. His task is to report his prosecutorial decisions about crimes he has been authorized to investigate because the Justice Department is conflicted; it is not to hold forth on his assessment of Donald Trump’s overall comportment and fitness to be president. That is for voters, or their elected representatives, to determine.

So what are the suspected crimes committed by Donald Trump that Mueller has been authorized to investigate, and what was the factual basis for Rosenstein’s authorization of this investigation?

We still haven’t been told.

The anti-Trump Left decries all criticism as an effort to “delegitimize” and “obstruct” the Mueller investigation. But no one is questioning the investigation of Russia’s interference in the election. We are questioning why a special counsel was appointed to investigate the president of the United States. It is the Justice Department’s obligation to establish the legitimacy of the appointment by explaining the factual basis for believing a crime was committed. If there is no such basis, then it is Mueller’s investigation that is delegitimizing the presidency and obstructing its ability to carry out its constitutional mission — a mission that is far more significant than any prosecutor’s case.

We’re not asking for much. After 16 months, we are just asking why there is a criminal investigation of the president. If Rod Rosenstein would just explain what the regs call for him to explain — namely, the basis to believe that Donald Trump conspired with the Kremlin to violate a specific federal criminal law, or is somehow criminally complicit in the Kremlin’s election sabotage — then we can all get behind Robert Mueller’s investigation.

But what is the explanation? And why isn’t the Republican-controlled Congress demanding it?
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Re: Did Clinton email faux pas cost 20 agents lives?

Post by Lone Star » September 10, 2018, 7:17 am

More dirt connecting Fusion GPS and Steele and Bruce Ohr.

It gets smellier and smellier every day.

Bruce Ohr's efforts to secretly reshape the Trump probe started earlier in summer '16
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/ ... earlier-in
But now, based on Ohr’s own account in a closed-door congressional interview and other contemporaneous documents, congressional investigators have learned that Ohr made his first contact with the FBI about Trump-Russia collusion evidence in late July and early August 2016. And his approach was prompted by information he got from his friend, the former British intelligence agent Steele.

The discovery is one of several key pieces of evidence emerging in recent weeks that explain how the FBI probe pivoted suddenly from looking at the conduct of Trump adviser George Papadopoulos to consuming a document now infamously known as the Steele dossier.

The FBI formally opened the Trump campaign probe — code-named Crossfire Hurricane — on July 31, 2016, based on an Australian diplomat’s claim that Papadopoulos, a young Trump campaign foreign policy aide, appeared to have prior knowledge that Russia had derogatory information it planned to release on Hillary Clinton.
However, agents learned early on that the Papadopoulos angle led nowhere. Instead of letting it go, they placed all of their emphasis on the "salacious and unverified" Steele dossier. They kept Papadopoulos as somewhat of a hole card to play six months later.
Steele met with Ohr and Ohr’s wife, Nellie, in a Washington hotel restaurant for breakfast. At the time, Nellie Ohr and Steele worked for the same employer, Simpson’s Fusion GPS opposition research firm, and on the same project to uncover Russia dirt on Trump, according to prior testimony to Congress.
Clear conflict of interest. The FBI had stopped using Steele as an informant because he had leaked information to the media. Ohr created a back-channel for Steele.
Ohr acknowledged to Congress that the July 30, 2016, meeting involved a discussion about the allegations Steele had been gathering against Trump and Russia.

More significantly, Ohr told Congress the information related by Steele that day so concerned him that it prompted him to reach out to the FBI and pass it along, even though he knew he had a conflict of interest, given his wife’s work for Fusion on the same project.
It should be noted that Fusion GPS was hired by Hillary and the DNC to dig up dirt on Trump. The Steele dossier was the result.
Just as important, Ohr told Congress he understood Steele’s information to be raw and uncorroborated hearsay, the sort of information that isn’t admissible in court. And he told FBI agents that Steele appeared to be motivated by a “desperate” desire to keep Trump from becoming president.

There is now growing confidence that the FBI’s sudden pivot from Papadopoulos to Steele was driven by several individuals, all with serious political baggage: Lisa Page and Strzok exchanged text messages about their desire to stop Trump from becoming president; Steele admitted he was desperate to keep Trump from the presidency; Ohr’s wife worked for the firm hired by Clinton to find dirt on Trump; and McCabe’s wife was a Democratic candidate in Virginia whose campaign got hundreds of thousands of dollars of electioneering help from Clinton ally and former Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe.
Dirty stuff right there.
Far more investigation needs to be done to resolve what happened. But there are now more serious questions about the FBI’s conduct, thanks to Ohr’s candor.

For starters, why did the FBI allow Ohr to participate in the Steele matter when there was a known conflict with his wife’s employment? And did they ever disclose that conflict to the court?

Why did the FBI fail to fully disclose to the court that Steele was being paid by Democrats to help defeat Trump, or that Steele himself was desperate to stop Trump?

Did agents misrepresent “hearsay” evidence as corroborated intelligence?

And should the FBI have shut down the probe — after the original predicate about Papadopoulos was called into question — rather than pivoting to Steele, especially since two key bureau employees involved in it, Strzok and Page, had their own expressed desire to keep Trump from winning the presidency?
Declassifying and making public the FISA warrants will shed much light on all of this.
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Re: Did Clinton email faux pas cost 20 agents lives?

Post by Udon Map » September 10, 2018, 7:55 am

Lone Star, you cite loads of "evidence" which supports a conspiracy to get Trump; yet when anyone cites anything which even suggests that he might have done something wrong, you ignore or discount it. Do you think that there is anything he has done wrong or poorly, or in any way harmed the U.S., do you blindly support him regardless of what he's done, or do you think that he's perfect?

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Post by Lone Star » September 10, 2018, 8:14 am

Udon Map wrote:
September 10, 2018, 7:55 am
Lone Star, you cite loads of "evidence" which supports a conspiracy to get Trump; yet when anyone cites anything which even suggests that he might have done something wrong, you ignore or discount it. Do you think that there is anything he has done wrong or poorly, or in any way harmed the U.S., do you blindly support him regardless of what he's done, or do you think that he's perfect?
You know that I don't blindly support him because I've answered this question in the other thread about Trump making the grade. Others who post in that thread have also replied to similar claims of blind support and referred them to my previous comments -- that he wasn't my candidate, why I voted for him and my misgivings about him. I even told you these same things directly in our discussions there. Go back through that thread and catch up.

I'm not repeating it all again.
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Re: Did Clinton email faux pas cost 20 agents lives?

Post by Lone Star » December 18, 2018, 4:00 pm

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Facts are trickling out since Steele is being sued on multiple fronts for defamation and libel in his unsubstantiated dossier paid for by Hillary and the DNC.

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Re: Did Clinton email faux pas cost 20 agents lives?

Post by Giggle » December 18, 2018, 4:20 pm

Brit, No surprise. They can't reconcile their subordinate role in the world.
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Re: Did Clinton email faux pas cost 20 agents lives?

Post by parrot » December 19, 2018, 9:30 am

Meanwhile, while the Republicans have controlled the government for the past 3 years, 30+ people have been indicted or pleaded guilty in the Russian investigation. Hillary may not be Ms. Perfect, but she didn't sell out our country

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Re: Did Clinton email faux pas cost 20 agents lives?

Post by glalt » December 19, 2018, 11:45 am

My biggest question is why would a super wealthy guy with so many enemies would want to run for president of the United States? He should have known that his enemies would pick him, his family and friends apart. I often wonder if he has regrets about being under the microscope and subject to the hatred of butt hurt greedy radicals. He has the right instincts to run the country more like a business than a socialist government. I think he underestimated the power of the swamp and really didn't actually know just how dirty and corrupt politics is.

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Post by Lone Star » December 19, 2018, 1:24 pm

parrot wrote:
December 19, 2018, 9:30 am
Meanwhile, while the Republicans have controlled the government for the past 3 years, 30+ people have been indicted or pleaded guilty in the Russian investigation. Hillary may not be Ms. Perfect, but she didn't sell out our country
Ah, but you leave out the best parts about the indictments and Hillary.

Total of 36 subjects of multiple indictments. Of that total number, 26 Russians and 3 Companies, 1 guy in California, 1 London lawyer, 5 Americans.

NONE of the 29 Russians and companies are linked to any American in the Trump campaign or to Trump. Neither the guy in California or London lawyer are linked to the Trump campaign or to Trump. The five Americans who had some contact with Trump were not charged with any crimes related to any Russia-Trump campaign conspiracy to affect the election.

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1. George Papadopoulas - process crime lying to the FBI - 14 days in jail
2. Paul Manafort - 25 indictments regarding past work in the Ukraine. None related to any contact with Trump.
3. Rick Gates - Manafort's business partner. No charges related to any contact with Trump.
4. Michael Flynn - process crime lying to the FBI. No charges related to any contact with Trump.
5. Richard Pinedo - identity theft. No charges related to any contact with Trump.

Read the whole list for yourself.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... grand-jury

Mueller went after these guys and investigated them ONLY because of their real or imagined connections to Trump -- searching for a crime against Trump. It was supposed to be all about Russia affecting the elections, but so far, only Russians are involved in those indictments. This is the "insurance policy" that was referred to by the FBI's Strzok. It was always about GET TRUMP -- on anything if need be. They're investigating people looking for crimes instead of identifying crimes and searching for those who violated the law. Quite Stalinesque.

As for Hillary, it's easy. Benghazi, Uranium One, Haiti relief, Rigged Dem Primary, Pay for Play with BJ's speeches and Hillary at State Dept, and let's not forget the server in her house that was hacked by foreign enemies (proven). I'm sure there's more. If fact, if Hillary the person was investigated for crimes, we'd find tons more.

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EDIT: Forgot Mueller's biggest fish of all -- Michael Cohen. All of his crimes had nothing to do with Russia-Trump campaign conspiracy to affect the election. Mueller's spending all his capital on two nuisance payoffs and trying to link them to an already very vague set of campaign finance statutes.
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Post by Lone Star » December 19, 2018, 1:27 pm

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My biggest question is why would a super wealthy guy with so many enemies would want to run for president of the United States? He should have known that his enemies would pick him, his family and friends apart. I often wonder if he has regrets about being under the microscope and subject to the hatred of butt hurt greedy radicals. He has the right instincts to run the country more like a business than a socialist government. I think he underestimated the power of the swamp and really didn't actually know just how dirty and corrupt politics is.
Trump didn't have political enemies before he decided to run. Only after he had the nerve to run as a Republican and against Hillary did all the hate, lies and vitriol begin. Trump was given awards by community, racial and economic groups for decades -- until he ran for president.

I'm sure he regrets the decision, and I wouldn't blame him if he didn't run in 2020.

I doubt than any successful business man will ever seek that office again -- unless it's a LIB who will be coddled and protected by the eneMedia.
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Re: Did Clinton email faux pas cost 20 agents lives?

Post by FrazeeDK » December 19, 2018, 6:16 pm

the Podesta link to Manafort's Ukraine dealings.. Yeah, Tony Podesta brother to HIllary's key functionary John Podesta...
In its time one of the largest lobbying groups in DC... Likely due to its links to Hillary through John Podesta..
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Post by papafarang » December 19, 2018, 8:32 pm

"Trump didn't have political enemies before he decided to run"

lets put that in English

"Trump didn't have political enemies before he decided to get involved in politics" :roll:

"I doubt than any successful business man will ever seek that office again"

well maybe you might notice , businessmen are not charities. they make sure their bread is buttered first
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Lone Star wrote:
December 19, 2018, 1:27 pm
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I'm sure he regrets the decision, and I wouldn't blame him if he didn't run in 2020.

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Bookmark this.

LS's slow backpedal has begun.

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Post by Lone Star » December 20, 2018, 10:07 am

tamada wrote:
December 20, 2018, 9:25 am
Lone Star wrote:
December 19, 2018, 1:27 pm
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I'm sure he regrets the decision, and I wouldn't blame him if he didn't run in 2020.

...
Bookmark this.

LS's slow backpedal has begun.
Backpedal on what, exactly?

I still support what the man is trying to do to restore the country, and I would vote for him vs any Democrat in 2020. ANY Democrat. If Trump chooses not to run because of the grief that has been thrown his way, I wouldn't blame him if he doesn't run.
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Post by Lone Star » December 20, 2018, 10:11 am

Hillary's email "matter" is back in court.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... her-emails

Court rules Hillary Clinton must answer more questions about her emails

When the new AG, William Barr, is confirmed early next year (he has been confirmed unanimously in the past), I expect much of this Clinton email fiasco to be re-examined.
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Post by tamada » December 20, 2018, 7:49 pm

Lone Star wrote:
December 20, 2018, 10:07 am
tamada wrote:
December 20, 2018, 9:25 am
Lone Star wrote:
December 19, 2018, 1:27 pm
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I'm sure he regrets the decision, and I wouldn't blame him if he didn't run in 2020.

...
Bookmark this.

LS's slow backpedal has begun.
Backpedal on what, exactly?

I still support what the man is trying to do to restore the country, and I would vote for him vs any Democrat in 2020. ANY Democrat. If Trump chooses not to run because of the grief that has been thrown his way, I wouldn't blame him if he doesn't run.
I agree. If the man-child wants to take his ball and go home, then it's entirely up to him.

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Post by Lone Star » December 23, 2018, 9:15 am

Well, you know things are moving in the right direction when even the Columbia Law Review, a bastion of liberal thought and Obama's alma mater, calls out Obama for unconstitutional, illegal and unethical actions as POTUS.

https://columbialawreview.org/content/c ... t-so-much/
The Obama Administration’s efforts to sign and implement a nuclear agreement with Iran with limited if any congressional input, and at times in violation of federal law, is a particularly important example of Democratic constitu­tional hardball. This particular example failed to make it into books and essays critical of the Obama Administration, including Lawless, because it played out toward the end of the Administration, and many of the details of the Administration’s hardball tactics became matters of public knowledge and controversy only after President Obama had left office.
The article even outlines Obama's lies to Congress and the American People about the details of the Iran agreement.
To sell the deal, the Administration found it necessary to lie to the American public about its origins. The Administration began secret negoti­a­tions with Iran in mid-2012. When reporter James Rosen asked at a press conference about rumors regarding these negotiations, the State Department spokesperson lied and denied that “government-to-government” talks were underway. (Obama’s State Department Deliberately Cut Embarrassing Questions from Press Briefing Video, Wash. Post (June 1, 2016) – Remarkably, someone in the Administration later had a staff member delete a portion of a video of a news conference showing Rosen asking a spokesperson whether the Administration had lied about the Iran negotiations.) …Close

Administration officials told the public that engagement with Iran began in 2013. The Administration claimed that it was “tak[ing] advan­tage of a new political reality in Iran, which came about because of elections that brought moderates to power in that country.” As David Samuels reported in the New York Times Magazine, this story of nascent moderation in the Iranian government “was largely manufactured for the purpose for selling the deal.”
The reference to James Rosen is interesting since Obama's DOJ was discovered as having wiretapped him and his immediate family because Obama viewed Rosen as a threat. Rosen wasn't a threat of publishing "fake news," but the truth.

The Columbia Law Review also pointed out that spying was done by the Obama Administration on anyone who was against the Iran deal.
The Obama Administration also spied on U.S. opponents of the Iran deal, both in Congress and in private pro-Israel organizations. Pro-Israel activists reported that the Administration seemed to know exactly what they were saying and doing, and acted accordingly. There have also been serious allegations that the Obama Administration undermined federal law enforcement efforts against the Hezbollah terrorist group to placate Hezbollah’s Iranian backers.
In other words, Obama's weaponized agencies were enabling two enemies -- Iran and Hezbollah -- and spying on an ally.
Despite Barack Obama’s promise to curtail eavesdropping on allies in the wake of the Edward Snowden revelations about the scale and scope of US activities, the National Security Agency’s (NSA) surveillance included phone conversations between top Israeli officials, US congressmen and American-Jewish groups, according to the Wall Street Journal.
And then there was the "setup" that didn't materialize, but was part of the "insurance policy" referred to by FBI agent Peter Strzok to GET TRUMP.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/heading-t ... rity-exec/

One of the guys who was used to get FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign is George Papadopoulos, who was only an unpaid volunteer in the campaign. When Papadopoulos was in Israel in 2017, he was handed $10,000 for no reason. When Papadopolous landed back in the US, he was stopped and detained by US Customs and all of his belongings were searched. In hindsight, Papadopoulos believes the $10,000 may have been a setup -- part of that circular chain of events to GET TRUMP. Agents never found the $10,000 because he left it with someone in Europe. Papadopoulas became a focal point of the Russia conspiracy witch hunt when he repeated some general statement made to him about Hillary having info on Trump -- also part of that circular chain of events. But his role in all the Trump-Russia stuff materialized into nothing. The FBI eventually charged him with lying (their catch-all charge when they can't find anything else), and he was sentenced to 14 days.

If they want you, they can do many things to GET YOU.

Fortunately, Republicans control the US Senate, and they will be able to continue the investigation into corruption at the top of the politically weaponized FBI, CIA, NSA and DOJ that existed in the Obama Administration. Yeah, the Deep State is just imagination. Got it.

More to come.
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Post by papafarang » January 4, 2019, 7:50 am

Obama again McCain again ..whataboutism again :roll: :lol:
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