Does anyone else feel ashamed about what we did in Iraq?

Post by **JimboPSM** » June 18, 2014, 10:37 am

The Sunday talk shows and the media appears to be overrun with exactly the same Richard Heads giving advice as those whose spin, distortions, lies and peddling of manufactured evidence in 2003 laid a large part of the groundwork for where we are today.

Back in 2003 the media not only spectacularly failed to undertake a proper due diligence of the case for war, quite disgustingly many of them (in particular the Murdoch empire) were guilty of actively cheerleading for it.

A “refresher” from Jon Stewart for some of those afflicted with highly selective amnesia:

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/a6yqr ... about-iraq

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/7v01w ... love-story

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/4384n ... sed-people

There is a short (moronic) ad at the start of the first two links above.

Post by **Laan Yaa Mo** » June 18, 2014, 6:46 pm

This U.S. writer for a Canadian newspaper wrote against the invasion of Iraq at the beginning and predicted the mess that would be created:-

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... -iraq-war/

http://ericmargolis.com/2014/06/the-all ... s-in-iraq/

Post by **Jing Jing** » June 18, 2014, 8:10 pm

The invasion of Iraq was the culmenation of decades of US meddling in Iraq. Saddam was basicly installed by the CIA.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/14/opini ... aking.html
The American public has been fed one bs story after another. Obama no different than other Presidents. They all lie.

Post by **dingdong** » June 18, 2014, 8:43 pm

OH OH LOOK OUT
The way it should have been dealt with in the first place from within

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/saudis-appare ... 38829.html

Post by **jackspratt** » June 18, 2014, 8:59 pm

dingdong wrote:OH OH LOOK OUT
The way it should have been dealt with in the first place from within

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/saudis-appare ... 38829.html

Hilarious - the Saudis, who are financing and arming the Sunni ISIS, telling Shi'ite Iran not to "interfere".

Where does this leave the US? My friend's friend is my enemy..... that has a certain ring about it. $\:D/$

Ya' couldn't make it up - thanks again GW ......... =D> =D> =D>

Post by **Jing Jing** » June 18, 2014, 9:07 pm

"....Iraqi state failed to reward Iraqi Arab Sunni tribal leaders who ejected al-Qaeda in Iraq in 2008 with the spoils of patronage, a dynamic that has characterised politics in Iraq before and after the fall of the Baath Party in 2003. If the Iraqi state could offer community leaders and tribes the largesse that characterised patronage politics in the past, they would have an incentive to eject their ISIL coreligionists from the Anbar, Nineveh and Diyala provinces today."
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 75330.html

Post by **parrot** » June 19, 2014, 4:14 pm

Oh, it's times like these that I include a small prayer of thanks to the Lord at night that Dick Cheney and John Bolton are no longer in the limelight. Try as they may, it appears their neocon views are more of a thing of the past. Too bad they don't drink the same water as George Bush does.....at least he's retreated to a cocoon and out of politics (I respect him for that). Dick Cheney....on the other hand.....the heart transplant didn't help him one iota......he's as heartless as ever.

Post by **socksy** » June 20, 2014, 8:57 am

I only feel ashamed that so-called leaders such as Bush and Blair sent so many many service personnel needlessly to their deaths. RIP to all of them.

Post by **Zidane** » June 20, 2014, 10:22 am

An American correspondent on Channel News Asia made a very valid point earlier in the week......
"Before the invasion in 2003 there were no terrorists in Iraq,now there are thousands and thousands of them !"

Post by **Jing Jing** » June 20, 2014, 10:58 am

"Before the invasion in 2003 there were no terrorists in Iraq

Pray tell who was Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Malikiai before 2003? He was a Shia terrorist operating out of Iran.
This is why we need to stay out of there. We still have no clue as to who is who. Your friend is my enemy ..

and Saddam was running a oy scout program

Post by **parrot** » June 24, 2014, 8:34 pm

I never thought I'd live to see the day......Michael Che reports on Dick Cheney's admission of a screw up in Iraq (Daily Show humor).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF6zTSD1AOU

Post by **dingdong** » June 30, 2014, 11:11 am

Now we are getting somewhere.
"The Russians have landed, The Russians have landed!!!!"
The Syrians, the Iranians who is next?

http://news.yahoo.com/thumbing-nose-u-r ... 00726.html

Post by **Jing Jing** » June 30, 2014, 11:26 am

Nice plane - but where are the pilots and ground crews? Maybe they will hire piolts from Iran or Russian client states who need real world experience.

Post by TJ » June 30, 2014, 12:09 pm

Nothing new.

Post by **Jing Jing** » June 30, 2014, 12:51 pm

The American public again is being feed more bs about events in Iraq. BO is trying to back door America into a war.

[The] "U.S. Embassy in Baghdad is for the purpose of intelligence gathering on Iraqis rather than traditional diplomacy. According to the documents, the U.S. Embassy is more like a giant photocopy machine relaying to Washington every political, security and economic issue in regard to Iraq.

So we didn't kown ISIS plans?The US needs to get out of the intelligence gathering business ecause it really sucks at it.

It covers an area of 104 acres, six times larger than U.N. headquarters in New York and ten times larger than the new embassy Washington is building in Beijing - which is just 10 acres

http://worldmeets.us/ http://worldmeets.us/aliraqnews000018PA ... z3667EPICE

Maybe we could sell this place to Putin?

Post by **dingdong** » June 30, 2014, 2:12 pm

Jing Jing information for your question

After the United States delayed a sale of fighter jets to Iraq, Russia sold planes to the Iraqi government. Now they've sent military experts to Baghdad.
Gen. Anwar Hama Ameen, who heads the Iraqi air force, explained that the secondhand jets would quickly be deployed in the government's fight against the Sunni extremist group ISIS.
In the coming three or four days the aircraft will be in service to support our forces in the fight.”

So, it seems they have a plan

Post by **FrazeeDK** » June 30, 2014, 7:37 pm

yes, all the news media have reported that these SU-25 "Frogfoot" ground attack aircraft would be flying within several days.. But flown by whom?? The Iraqi Air Force had SU-25's up until the spring of 2003 when they were destroyed or flown to Iran.. I would find it highly improbable that some former Iraqi SU-25 pilot could get back up to speed within several days...

Post by **dingdong** » June 30, 2014, 7:44 pm

Who cares who is flying it when they are either bombing or shooting at you?

Post by **redwolf** » June 30, 2014, 8:14 pm

FrazeeDK wrote:yes, all the news media have reported that these SU-25 "Frogfoot" ground attack aircraft would be flying within several days.. But flown by whom?? The Iraqi Air Force had SU-25's up until the spring of 2003 when they were destroyed or flown to Iran.. I would find it highly improbable that some former Iraqi SU-25 pilot could get back up to speed within several days...

LOL I thought the same thing...

It might be fun to shoot one down and recover the pilot "Vadim", oops I mean "Tahir".

I'd be surprised if they can even start the engines on them without a bunch of moths & spiders crawling out.

They'd be better off with one of those fake stealth jets the Iranians have been "showcasing"....

Post by **Jing Jing** » June 30, 2014, 8:22 pm

Ka-ching ka-ching Putin doesn't care either. He is going to make money now selling the Iraqis all the consumables they will need to keep these planes operational. I'm sure he can recommend a few pilots ka-ching. The ex-KGB guy is putting the screws to the community organizer.