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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by BobHelm » January 25, 2017, 11:21 am

Brexit: Supreme Court says Parliament must give Article 50 go-ahead
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38720320

Not that it will make any difference to the end result.
However I am puzzled as to why the Government ever wanted to go down the non democratic 'Royal Prerogative' route in the first place.
It rather strikes the note that Brexit will be whatever May & her hangers on want it to be - irrespective of what might be best for Britain.

The crucial part of the entire decision is probably that only the Parliament in Westminster needs to approve the move towards enacting Article 50.
If the Scottish, Irish & Welsh Assemblies had also needed to have ratified the move then that would have really set the cat amongst the pigeons.. :D

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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by Jai » January 25, 2017, 12:17 pm

"The crucial part of the entire decision is probably that only the Parliament in Westminster needs to approve the move towards enacting Article 50"--BH

Doesn't it go to the other unelected mob after that---The Lords

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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by BobHelm » January 25, 2017, 12:31 pm

It is extremely unlikely that the Lords would wish to block the enactment of article 50.
As a non-elected chamber to attempt to stop the result of a National Referendum would be suicidal to their remaining as they are.

If, in a sudden rush towards suicide, they did block the passage of the Bill then May could undoubtedly still introduce the Bill into law under the 1911 Parliament Act as a great deal of the exiting from the EU will be of a financial nature..

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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by BigRick808 » January 26, 2017, 3:11 am

Sorry about the faulty link in my last post. Try this. It's the same but the other was'nt fully entered onto the page.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... -expelled/

Why Has Israeli Spy Shai Masot Not Been Expelled? 193
8 Jan, 2017 in Uncategorized by craig

There is no starker proof of the golden chains in which Israel has entangled the British political class, than the incredible fact that “diplomat” Shai Masot has not been expelled for secretly conspiring to influence British politics by attacking Britain’s Deputy Foreign Minister, suggesting that he might be brought down by “a little scandal”. It is incredible by any normal standards of diplomatic behaviour that immediate action was not taken against Masot for actions which when revealed any professional diplomat would normally expect to result in being “PNG’d” – declared persona non grata.

Obama has just expelled 35 Russian diplomats for precisely the same offence, with the exception that in the Russian case there is absolutely zero hard evidence, whereas in the Masot case there is irrefutable evidence on which to act.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... -expelled/

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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by BobHelm » January 26, 2017, 8:10 am

It would appear that more good than harm has come out of the Supreme Court ruling - originally David Davis (the Brexit Minister) had ruled a White Paper out..
Brexit: Theresa May promises White Paper on EU exit plan
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38737967

A White Paper is a non binding document that clearly sets out what the Government plan to do about a situation or how they intend to approach a problem.

As Brexit will probably have an element of negotiation it will not be what definitely will happen but at least it will give the public a better idea of what Britain will look like after the break & allow some impacted companies to make plans of their own..

It will also, maybe to some individual's detriment :D , give a measure of just how successful any negotiations are..

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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by AlexO » January 27, 2017, 11:30 am

It rather strikes the note that Brexit will be whatever May & her hangers on want it to be - irrespective of what might be best for Britain.
Or Dennis Skinners, or Tony Blairs or Corbyns.???? Who's vision would you rather see.

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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by BigRick808 » January 28, 2017, 7:03 am

Any vision or decision made by Tony Blair is certainly bound to be a real winner. :razz: =D> :badteeth: ;) \:D/

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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by parrot » January 30, 2017, 3:58 pm

parrot wrote:
parrot wrote:Coups and Thailand go together like sticky rice and papaya salad. Every time there is one, I try to visualize someone like Colin Powell riding atop a Bradley tank, crashing the White House gates, and announcing 'I'm in charge now". Try as I may, I never get a clear high definition picture of the event in my mind.
Now that the Brexit folks have in effect staged their own coup.......a much more modern and potentially more traumatic style of coup......and Donald Trump sitting in the wings, I'll have to reexamine my idea of a coup in the US. I'd like to think it'll never happen......but then, I never expected the vote in the UK to turn out as it did........and a lot of very intelligent people in the US never expected Trump to get this far.
Well, I never thought I'd say it, but all of a sudden, the idea of someone like a more modern Colin Powell riding atop a Bradley tank, crashing the White House gates, doesn't seem so farfetched. I doubt anyone with any historical reference knows what's really in store in DC these days. Certainly interesting times ahead!
And the dream continues to unfold:
Bannon Seizes a Security Role From Generals
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/us/s ... v=top-news

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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by BigRick808 » February 1, 2017, 8:33 am

Parrot's dreaming about a colon pal. You rectum he'll find one? :-& :-"

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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by BobHelm » February 3, 2017, 8:06 am

Well, as a result of the legal appeals the Government have produced their White Paper on what their aims are in the Brexit negotiations.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38836906

As could only be expected, given that it is the framework for negotiations, it is a bit light on details. It does contain enough in the way of aims to show if the end product can be classified as a success or failure though.

All in all it would appear to want to make the best (for Great Britain) out of the Brexit situation.
How the ex-partners in the EU will view it is another matter. Wanting all of the benefits ++ with none of the costs, comes to mind!!
It sets out the themes of the government's goals for its negotiations with the EU, as announced by Prime Minister Theresa May last month.

These include:

Trade: The UK will withdraw from the single market and seek a new customs arrangement and a free trade agreement with the EU.
Immigration: A new system to control EU migration will be introduced, and could be phased in to give businesses time to prepare. The new system will be designed to help fill skills shortages and welcome "genuine" students.
Expats: The government wants to secure an agreement with European countries "at the earliest opportunity" on the rights of EU nationals in the UK and Britons living in Europe.
Sovereignty: Britain will leave the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice but seek to set up separate resolution mechanisms for things like trade disputes.
Border: Aiming for "as seamless and frictionless a border as possible between Northern Ireland and Ireland."
Devolution: Giving more powers to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as decision-making is brought back to the UK.

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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by BobHelm » March 1, 2017, 12:36 pm

Looks like the House of Lords is going to kick a bit of sand in Theresa's face over Brexit.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39123604

It won't make much difference at the end of the day, just a bit of ping pong. :D

I do somewhat wonder that they are taking a stance on EU members currently living in the UK though.
It seems to me that the negotiators will need to use them as a bargaining tool in establishing the rights of UK citizens living in Europe. Taking that chip off the table before the negotiations have even started seems like very poor strategy.
The EU negotiators would undoubtedly be seeking concessions somewhere else for UK citizen rights if the amendment does become part of the Act of Parliament.

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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by rick » March 2, 2017, 8:45 pm

Ah, i think it is a case of controlling the moral high ground. Currently, May's refusal to rule out anything comes across as mean, and plays into EU's anti-Brexit propaganda. All it needs is the proviso that this assumes UK citizens who already live in Europe get equal treatment. NOW the EU will come across as the mean one if they do not do so.

So where do we stand on Brexit benefits? 8 months on, the pound is still down 20%, the NHS is still going to be cut, and trade deficit for 2016 rose by 10 billion pounds (due to imports cost more). Still waiting.

I think the budget later this month will be fun :^o

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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by BobHelm » March 8, 2017, 7:44 am

The Lords give the Government a second defeat over the Brexit bill.
Brexit: Government suffers second defeat in Lords
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39200658

This time over the more damaging idea that Parliament should have a 'meaningful' vote over the Brexit terms once the negotiations are over..

The idea that the result of the negotiations are going to satisfy anyone looking at the end result who has not been involved in the actual negotiation seems completely naive to me.. :D
The idea that after 2 years of negotiation & reaching agreement then one party can want to return to the table for another go is quite hilarious..

This is starting to look like a complete farce before the Government team even meet their opponents. :D

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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by Zidane » March 8, 2017, 12:01 pm

Its just a shame we cant have a "Dallas style scenario" where Bobby Ewing is in the shower and its discovered the last year was just a bad dream and none of the events actually happened !

Starring,David Cameron as Bobby Ewing.
Starring,Melania Trump as Pam Ewing.

Just an excuse to show Mrs Trumps assets again,really,readers ! ;)
Melania Trump,new first lady.jpg
Just when I thought our chance had passed,you go and save the best for last.

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Re: EU in or out? Brexit: The Movie

Post by BobHelm » April 18, 2017, 5:59 pm

I will post this here as I feel that it must be related..
May to seek snap election for 8 June
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39629603

It seems to me a strange time to hold one & on what 'grounds'.
The Tories are way ahead in the polls to Labour, but they sure as hell won't get any seats in Scotland & are possibly at risk of a Lib-Dem come back as well..

Before she handed in the Brexit letter I could see the need, now, exactly what will the 'issues' be, or does that actually not matter any more..??

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