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Re: Fly the friendly skys of united...

Post by Jello » April 15, 2017, 6:34 pm

Lone Star wrote: Where were the other 3? Oh yeah. They left.
Did they leave? Eyewitness states they also appear to have refused.
See video @ 3:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cc8Hagoyn8
jai yen yen wrote:His injuries could have been caused by having to drag him out and were not intentional I am sure..
Look at the video @ 0:18 when his head is slammed into the armrest of the seat in the opposite aisle. If that wasn't intentional then he fell with three officers in front and behind him with their hands on him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU1HPwKrMrY
jai yen yen wrote:Right or wrong all he had to do was walk off the plane and file a complaint later if he felt the need..

That would not produce any result. UA would point out the fine print and tell him to take a hike.
jai yen yen wrote:Of course he will sue and get some cash,
One attorney predicts between 500k-1 million.
See video @ 1:10

jai yen yen wrote:Personally I think he should be charged with causing a disturbance on the plane..
His refusal to give up his seat (right or wrong) isn't what created the disturbance. The airlines poor planning and insistence on removing him did.
jai yen yen wrote: I would have walked off the plane and I also know if I resisted being taken out getting hurt was a very real possibility.
I would too, but I'd be fuming. I'm glad that someone had the courage to challenge this unfair practice. The result will be policy changes that will ensure you and I never need to face this problem when flying.


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Re: Fly the friendly skys of united...

Post by Jello » April 16, 2017, 6:00 pm

jai yen yen wrote:Right or wrong all he had to do was walk off the plane and file a complaint later if he felt the need..

Just a further thought on this.
By the same token, the airline could have taken the same action as your suggesting Dr. Dao should have taken to avoid the disruption (beating) and delay. Since the Dr. refused to leave, the airline could have taken Dr. Dao to court after the fact for failing to adhere to the conditions of the ticket/contract. If refusing to give up his seat was a criminal offense (I don't think it is) they could have him arrested at the arriving airport.

And now, more airplane beatings... :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc
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Re: Fly the friendly skys of united...

Post by sometimewoodworker » April 17, 2017, 7:23 am

Lone Star wrote:The airline contract with passengers and the procedure for taking hostile passengers from planes was followed.
Sorry, no it was not. Unreasonable force was used (2 teeth gone and concussion constitute unreasonable force in this case).


It is also debatable if he was a hostile passenger, just hostile to being removed from the flight forcibly or not.
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Post by jai yen yen » April 17, 2017, 8:37 am

From the video I saw the passenger fall across the aisle after being pulled from his seat, nobody slammed his head on purpose, dragging someone from a confined space is not easy as two or more people can't really get a proper hold. I know because I worked for years as a bouncer and a situation like that can become a real mess. I will say it again, the police told him to leave the plane, at that point he was required to do so, end of story. Resisting the police results in a physical arrest. Try it some time if you don't believe me. Airlines have the right to ask a passenger to leave the plane, it happens. I don't like it and I think over booking and bumping is B.S. but it does happen.Our PC society will cry for this guy but I will not. He screamed and cried like a baby when he was pulled off and in so doing caused a big disturbance in the process. I am sure he will cry some more now to get a big payout which he does not deserve. What ever happened to the days when you were accountable for your actions, this guy asked for trouble and got it.

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Re: Fly the friendly skys of united...

Post by BobHelm » April 17, 2017, 9:00 am

It would appear that United have at least understood the foolishness of enforcing passenger plane ejection because of overbooking.
United Airlines changes policy after 'horrific' passenger ordeal
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39617879

It seems to me that if United (or any other airline) cannot tell that a flight is overbooked way before passengers actually enter the plane then they are a poor organisation indeed.
The inconvenience to every single passenger on the flight of removing passengers (& so their checked luggage as well) should have been patently obviously a situation to avoid at all costs even without this incident.

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Post by Wee Jimmy » April 17, 2017, 9:46 am

After reading Dr Dao’s past encounters with the law I have the opinion this guy should have walked off the plane in a gentlemanly manner befitting a doctor. However, he chose to cause a rumpus and possibly saw the dollar signs flashing in front of his eyes as he was being dragged off.
In saying that United could have handled it differently.

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Post by papafarang » April 17, 2017, 4:01 pm

seems the plane wasn't overbooked. everybody was seated and then they decided that they needed 4 seats for staff and decided the best way was simply to throw 4 seated customers off. you are as a fare paying customer just cattle.
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Re: Fly the friendly skys of united...

Post by Jello » April 17, 2017, 4:47 pm

Wee Jimmy wrote:After reading Dr Dao’s past encounters with the law I have the opinion this guy should have walked off the plane in a gentlemanly manner befitting a doctor. However, he chose to cause a rumpus and possibly saw the dollar signs flashing in front of his eyes as he was being dragged off.
In saying that United could have handled it differently.
Judging Dr. Dao's past it could be assumed he was not the gentlemanly type. However by the same token the airline could have taken the high road and dealt with him later thus getting all of their customers to their destination on time.
jai yen yen wrote:Airlines have the right to ask a passenger to leave the plane, it happens. .
A right? They have a rule, written into the contract the passenger agrees to when purchasing a ticket. It's not a law, its a contract dispute. So why is law enforcement involved?

Consider this. If my renter in the US doesn't follow the contract and pay his rent, I cannot call the police and have him immediately removed. I need to first follow a legal process before the police will assist me. So why does UA get immediate police assistance to enforce a contract?
jai yen yen wrote:I don't like it and I think over booking and bumping is B.S. but it does happen. Our PC society will cry for this guy but I will not. He screamed and cried like a baby when he was pulled off and in so doing caused a big disturbance in the process. .
I don't see a lot of "cryin for this guy" in the news, social media, or this thread. What I do see is an outrage over UA's policy of obey or else....
I'm all for dragging someone off a plane who is dangerous or disruptive. But for questioning their rules? No.
jai yen yen wrote:I am sure he will cry some more now to get a big payout which he does not deserve. What ever happened to the days when you were accountable for your actions, this guy asked for trouble and got it.
I think he most certainly is entitled to be reimbursed hospital expenses and lost income. And UA deserves to be fined for their actions which is how the settlement will be viewed.

As far as "cryin some more now", the same can be said about UA's CEO who initial said they did the right thing and now is saying "no one should be treated that way period", when asked if Dr Dao was to blame he stated " "No, he can't be. He was a paying passenger sitting in our seat in our aircraft". Of course his cryin is about cryin all the way to the bank. He didn't give a ---- about the customer until it effected his pocketbook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk2Y_VL5e7s

Boils down to this: Dr Dao had patients the next day. Needs to get to his practice or will loose money. He paid for his seat, boarded the plane, and has a reasonable expectation that he's going to get home. UA at the last minute needs his seat for a stewardess to get to her next flight to hand out peanuts. UA say's our plane, read the fine print, ---- you get off.

UA had zero concern about the customers business problems of loosing his seat, and after removing him from the plane, initially had zero concern about the physical injury to the customer.

Well not everything in life is fair and UA had the upper hand, but what a ------ way to run a business that deals with the public. [-X
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