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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by 12345 » October 8, 2017, 11:06 am

tamada wrote:
October 8, 2017, 9:48 am
BTW, he's a careful, trained, licensed concealed-carry gun owner and a lawyer, who puts the gun in the nightstand each night just like thousands of other careful, trained, licensed concealed-carry gun owners.
That's a bit of a stretch. 2 reasons, easily accessible to anyone, and not easily accessible if you need right away. So basically, an idiot.

I kept mine under the pillow.



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Re: Gun Control

Post by GT93 » October 8, 2017, 12:34 pm

Is gun control a political hot potato in Thailand? I know the Thais have significant problems with guns. Perhaps any debate isn't so tribal as in the US.
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Re: Gun Control

Post by newtovillagelife » October 8, 2017, 12:37 pm

Thai population control.

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Re: Gun Control

Post by glalt » October 8, 2017, 12:57 pm

I am an avid gun rights supporter. I'm much more afraid of poison and bombs. As far as gun control it is obvious that laws don't work. Before the brainless politicians make more useless silly laws, they should confer with people who know how guns work. The most dangerous thing about a gun used in massacres is the ammunition capacity. This could be remedied without confiscating assault weapons. The easiest way is to permanently fix the rifles with an attached box magazine, I'm talking about permanent fastening like welding. You can't load five rounds into a fixed magazine in ten seconds. If someone wants to look like Rambo, they can do that with an assault weapon loaded with five or six pounds. No one needs more than five rounds in a rifle. I see nothing in the constitution that would prohibit forcing manufacturers to limit the number of rounds. I would really like to see the government pay for the conversions. California passed a stupid law limiting the size of a clip. That was stupid. Massive clip magazines holding thirty rounds or more are easy to conceal. People are not going to turn them in. A welded box magazine with the hardware that held in the detachable magazine would be removed and it would take a skilled gunsmith to make it back into a detachable magazine. Maybe the best part is that it is very easy to see the difference between a fixed box magazine and a detachable clip. It would be rather foolish to convert a five shot rifle to fully automatic. You can make that conversion to fully automatic while sitting in your armchair at home.

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Re: Gun Control

Post by kopkei » October 8, 2017, 4:54 pm

my goodness ammunition control ???, what is wrong with all this thinking ...only have 5 bullets to kill ?
my thinking ...if the guy in vegas did not have access to all these guns, would he have killed as many people with a knife?....
the gun shop owner says , it is not the guns that kill people but people kill people , indeed that is why there should be more control about gun sales , in america every(lunatic)one can buy a gun ...hopefully they do not come here?...and do the same ..a little bit same as allowing (no brain yet) children 16 years old drive a car ... :(

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Re: Gun Control

Post by Earnest » October 8, 2017, 7:12 pm

Earnest wrote:
October 7, 2017, 11:49 pm
Yes, never felt in fear of being shot in Thailand.

Was never in fear of being shot in the US either.

The PI, however, was a different matter. :shock:
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October 8, 2017, 2:38 am
I think if I ever visited the US as a tourist I'd be the same. However if I was a Black American parent with teenagers I'd be quite anxious. I think there would be regular family safety talks.
If you were a Black parent to teenagers in London then you'd probably be having a very similar conversation. Ever heard of Operation Trident, old chum?

Just to clarify, I do visit the US as a tourist but also used to travel across to work on 5 week stints.
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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by Earnest » October 8, 2017, 7:25 pm

vlad wrote:
October 7, 2017, 8:29 pm
CI'm fairly safe in the knowledge I can go to a concert and not be worried a Sniper or a madman is targeting me
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October 7, 2017, 8:41 pm
Manchester Arena suicide bombing at the Ariana Grande concert in the Summer?

The Eagles of Death Metal concert at the Bataclan in Paris 2015?

Derek Bird in Cumbria 2010?

Dunblane in 1996?

Hungerford in 1987?
Vlad, you've not responded to my post, you bounder.
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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by Nigglyb » October 9, 2017, 1:55 am

Earnest wrote:
October 7, 2017, 8:41 pm
vlad wrote:
October 7, 2017, 8:29 pm
CI'm fairly safe in the knowledge I can go to a concert and not be worried a Sniper or a madman is targeting me
Manchester Arena suicide bombing at the Ariana Grande concert in the Summer?

The Eagles of Death Metal concert at the Bataclan in Paris 2015?

Derek Bird in Cumbria 2010?

Dunblane in 1996?

Hungerford in 1987?
I think there are potentially madmen everywhere who can cause devastation at any public gathering should they wish. They don’t necessarily need guns so stricter controls are irrelevant. You missed off Borough Market in your list as a good example.
I’ve noticed a high armed police presence in our busy local tourist shopping areas over the last year. Anywhere with a high density of people where vehicles are still permitted could be treated as targets for these lunatics. Do I feel safe? Dunno, not really thought about it. Will it stop me going to these places? Absolutely not
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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by tamada » October 9, 2017, 8:56 am

12345 wrote:
October 8, 2017, 11:06 am
tamada wrote:
October 8, 2017, 9:48 am
BTW, he's a careful, trained, licensed concealed-carry gun owner and a lawyer, who puts the gun in the nightstand each night just like thousands of other careful, trained, licensed concealed-carry gun owners.
That's a bit of a stretch. 2 reasons, easily accessible to anyone, and not easily accessible if you need right away. So basically, an idiot.

I kept mine under the pillow.
Call him what you will but apart from you, how many other gun-toting 'idiots' after a football game and beers, leave their gun safely in the nightstand (or even under the pillow of their bed) while they crash out on the sofa in the safety of their own home?

Here's another question for you, how many 'idiots' got shot in the back by their own kids who, while sitting in the seat behind mommy, managed to get a gun that was left within reach?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... /21062089/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2667804

Bugger me, one of these 'idiots' is another, trained, NRA card-carrying gun advocate!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-mo ... ing-truck/

In the same vein as some people need to be more careful about who they brand as an idiot, the NRA needs to really work on the bit where it claims that it aims "to promote responsible gun ownership and gun safety."

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Re: Gun Control

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Re: Gun Control

Post by tamarlane » October 11, 2017, 2:42 am

just a satirical clip from civilization...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-o9pwWUzz0

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Re: Gun Control

Post by tamada » October 11, 2017, 7:23 am

tamarlane wrote:
October 11, 2017, 2:42 am
just a satirical clip from civilization...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-o9pwWUzz0
Satirical post of the day award goes to...
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Re: Gun Control

Post by tamada » October 11, 2017, 8:14 am

Despite years of similar gun outrages, albeit with lower body counts, much is being made of the investigatory authorities inability to find any precursor or motive for the Vegas shooters rampage. However, Fox News who typically lead the charge in finger-pointing and name-blaming is groping for any sort of narrative despite Sean Hannity's best but totally cringe-worthy efforts.

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Re: Gun Control

Post by vlad » October 11, 2017, 5:50 pm

MMM Someones not on the ball did I not say in my first post on this Thread " How does Someone" manage to smuggle that amount of guns into a Hotel?

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Re: Gun Control

Post by Udon Map » October 11, 2017, 7:34 pm

vlad wrote:
October 11, 2017, 5:50 pm
MMM Someones not on the ball did I not say in my first post on this Thread " How does Someone" manage to smuggle that amount of guns into a Hotel?
As has been mentioned previously, no mystery. When was the last time hotel staff asked you what was in your luggage?

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Re: Gun Control

Post by vlad » October 11, 2017, 9:07 pm

There's a bit of a difference humping a few cases all the way up the Mandalay full of clothes for 1 60 odd yr old guy then humping 20 plus rifles and well over 800 rounds of Ammo up there. Did they not think it strange why he needed that many cases's.

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Re: Gun Control

Post by tamada » October 11, 2017, 9:39 pm

vlad wrote:
October 11, 2017, 9:07 pm
There's a bit of a difference humping a few cases all the way up the Mandalay full of clothes for 1 60 odd yr old guy then humping 20 plus rifles and well over 800 rounds of Ammo up there. Did they not think it strange why he needed that many cases's.
Have you been to Vegas? Home of some of laxest gun ownership laws and thus the busiest gun shows in 'murca'.

There's reason why it championed the term, "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas." It's also a major convention city and some of those guys tote whole multiple packed display stands when on the road. Only did that place twice (once was a convention) and there's nothing that can surprise or anyone well enough tipped to be not so surprised. This guy was a millionaire, multiple time visitor to the Vegas tables so these resorts welcome any high-roller and their excess baggage.

The only other place on the 'murcan' mainland where the average joe 'murcan' can live vicariously and pretty much anything goes is New Orleans. Now THAT was party central for me two weekends a month for 8 months and I'll never forget my first visit to the Abbeville Gun & Knife Club... and then we took the whole show to Angola and like stepping in a dog turd, the moment was lost.

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Re: Gun Control

Post by Nigglyb » October 11, 2017, 9:56 pm

He allegedly checked into the hotel on 25th September which was 6 days before the shooting. I wouldn't have thought coming & going over that time with suitcases would have raised suspicions. Its not like he was dressed as Rambo dragging his armoury behind him in one go :shock:
Police say he had taken 24 weapons to his room which had been concealed in 10 suitcases. I'm usually found lugging 5 (overweight) suitcases on our trips so 10 over 6 days doesn't sound unreasonable
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Re: Gun Control

Post by TJ » October 12, 2017, 12:42 am

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any body of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States

-- Noah Webster, An Examination into the Leading Principals of the Federal Constitution

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Re: Gun Control

Post by GT93 » November 3, 2021, 8:48 am

An opinion piece in The New York Times draws attention to an important pending Supreme Court case on gun control:
The Supreme Court will soon decide whether Americans have a constitutional right to carry loaded concealed weapons in public and in public places, wherever and whenever they believe they might need their guns for self-defense. Practically, that could mean everywhere and at all times.

The announcement of such an absolute and unfettered right would be shocking and disquieting to most Americans, not just to Americans in the many states where the people, through their elected legislatures, have for centuries restricted the carrying of handguns in public. It would also be concerning to many Americans who support gun rights. They, too, would understandably be unsettled and frightened by the idea that everywhere they went, their fellow citizens might be carrying loaded guns.

At stake in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen is whether the Supreme Court will claim for itself the power to decide where and when Americans can carry loaded handguns in public — a power that the Constitution reserves for the people and their elected representatives.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/opin ... -york.html

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