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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by SJP17 » October 5, 2017, 7:00 pm

If you look at this in a rational way you can say more than likely the 2nd Amendment stays there is too much pro gun interest in political lobbying, fair democracy it is not because of the huge memberships of both the Republicans and Democrats, US has become a two party state whose politics is restricted to these two parties. Third parties are constitutionally valid but considering these giants ruling, it is their game and they have made it quite difficult for any third party to emerge successfully. So it is just either the Republicans or the Democrats and candidates chosen and manipulated by the powerful and elite. Lobbying and fundraising being legal puts more power in hands of the wealthy even though individually they might not even vote !, that and the fact guns = jobs and $$$$$$$$ to the economy, whether they try and tighten rules on ownership, gun types or number of guns remains to be seen.

I guess its a case of sticking with it and suffering the consequences as deadly rampages are happening more often and claiming more American lives.

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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by BigRick808 » October 6, 2017, 4:51 am

Good article from Mises.org: https://mises.org/blog/gun-control-fail ... and-canada

Also excellent videos by Stephan Molyneux in the comments section.

The U.S. has the 3rd lowest rate in all of the Americas, and lower than several European nations, and a couple EU members.

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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by BigRick808 » October 6, 2017, 5:22 am

Tyranny of the State vs. peaceful citizens wanting to be free: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APsHNIrS7-s

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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by jimjay » October 6, 2017, 10:47 am

guess what the NRA has indicated they might support eliminating the bump stock dealy.

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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by tamada » October 6, 2017, 11:22 am

Gotta love the perpetual deflectors who post statistics from the UK that they claim supports their hopelessly misinformed opinion that gun control does not work. Or alternatively post how bad gun homicide rates are in our chosen home here in Thailand. Obfuscate much?

Yes, gun murders peaked rapidly after the 1997 introduction of UK gun controls but they glibly ignore that much more recently, the numbers are on a significant and consistent downward trend. They make much of this immediate post-control surges in both Canada and the UK without acknowledging that the end result has been more favorable for prolonged life. Maybe the 'armed thugs' that they frequently suggest will take over the land if they give up their arms were all on a last-minute shooting binge which gradually dried up as, get this... the supply of illegal guns dried up?

As for Thailand, the land of lax law enforcement, why on earth bother to mention it? I am not sure what gun control laws Thailand has beyond the time-served mantra that 'farangs cannot'... but I would wager that a fair few Americans here handily manage to bypass that. But even if they did have some sensible restrictions here, the notion that the RTP will enforce them is a complete non-starter. In case they haven't noticed, it's pretty much a free-for-all when it comes to breaking the law and getting away with it in LOS. How can Thailand's illegal gun ownership and related higher murder rates be totally twisted to make an argument against enforcement by 'real' police of practical and legal restrictions? Nobody really wants to take away your legal and registered hand gun or hunting rifle that you are licensed and trained in using. But war weapons?

I wonder how many card-carrying NRA members are somewhat disconcerted by the NRA's hot-of-the-press pleas to regulate the 'bump stock' industry. Who would have thought, eh? However, I imagine that the many manufacturers of these abhorrent add-on's are making a killing (sic) right now. Some repeatedly claim the NRA stands "to defend the 2nd Amendment and promote responsible gun ownership and gun safety." Where has the NRA been on that last part when these devices started appearing on the market. AFAIK, they didn't suddenly appear the week before the Vegas shooter introduced them to the wider world.

Gun control laws are not a 'silver bullet (pardon the pun) for an overnight solution to the undeniable problem of people dying as a result of being shot (spare us the cars don't kill people either obfuscation) but if you don't seriously embrace gun control, you will never, ever reap any benefits.

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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by vincemunday » October 6, 2017, 3:13 pm

Looks like the NRA have indeed asked for restrictions as JimJay suggested earlier, a good response from them.

Las Vegas shooting: NRA urges new rules for gun 'bump-stocks'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41519815
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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by Galee » October 6, 2017, 4:50 pm

vincemunday wrote:
October 6, 2017, 3:13 pm
Looks like the NRA have indeed asked for restrictions as JimJay suggested earlier, a good response from them.

Las Vegas shooting: NRA urges new rules for gun 'bump-stocks'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41519815
I would disagree. You can't defend the undefendable.

http://news.sky.com/story/why-the-nra-b ... s-11068790

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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by mathusalah80 » October 6, 2017, 5:45 pm

vincemunday wrote:
October 6, 2017, 3:13 pm
Looks like the NRA have indeed asked for restrictions as JimJay suggested earlier, a good response from them.

Las Vegas shooting: NRA urges new rules for gun 'bump-stocks'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41519815
Do keep up to date Vince. [-X
News that this piece of equipment had been used by Paddock, together with , (invaluable free advertising providing), the fullest details of it's functions and capabilities were very comprehensively provided by the American media; a gesture much appreciated by gun fanatics and gun dealers alike!. Within days reports were coming in from gun shops all over America of an unprecedented demand for this equipment, resulting in the shops being sold out, and a shortage of supply. :-& :cry:
All doubtless having been purchased by mentally well adjusted, responsible, law abiding citizens, anxious to be in possession of it's ability to increase the rapidity of fire, just in case they should be simultaneously attacked by a multitude of people intent on doing them harm; or perhaps by Aliens from outer space! :roll:
To date, it has not been possible to verify a rumour that certain American members of the Udonthani community are already en route back to their homeland, each intent on buying this equipment, to further enhance their feelings of security here in this dangerous LOS, as depicted by bigrick. \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by vlad » October 6, 2017, 6:30 pm

This Man collected a large Arsenal of over 40 guns ALL legally obtained. He is not a nut job he has thought about this a long time. The BBC news reporter Ragi Omar took a film crew into a Nevada gun shop and asked to buy a gun the owner asked what is the gun for? So the reporter answered for stopping bad guys. he was handed a heavy caliber handgun. The reporter asked what is the biggest gun I can see and duly he was shown a fully Automatic Assault Rifle. Ragi asked " Why do you stock These they belong in the Military only" The gun shop owners answer was IF "they have them" we need to have them. That is the mindset you belong too. look it up on BBC news. It is also reported there has been over 50 gun related deaths across America since the Nevada Shooting.

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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by Laan Yaa Mo » October 6, 2017, 7:44 pm

vlad wrote:
October 6, 2017, 6:30 pm
It is also reported there has been over 50 gun related deaths across America since the Nevada Shooting.
Most of those deaths will be black gang-related deaths. Likewise Toronto, Canada has seen 4 shooting deaths in that time all by blacks on other blacks. The gangs seem to be able to obtain heavy-duty weapons quite easily. How do you stop them? Even 'Black Lives Matter' people have no answer and offer no solution to the problem. However BLM seem to believe that the root of the problem lies with white males.
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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by vlad » October 6, 2017, 8:03 pm

Can't stop it Laan it built into them just open u tube and look at the 6+ kids being taught to use weapons. How can you stop it? I'm afraid it's your own doing so live with the consequences time to move on Folks.

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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by newtovillagelife » October 7, 2017, 3:13 pm

How pathetic that the NRA, with only 4.5 million members, can control the US government. Thats 2% at best of the population. 2% runs the US, what a Fake democracy....what a joke!!!...

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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by Nigglyb » October 7, 2017, 7:04 pm

vlad wrote:
October 7, 2017, 6:42 pm
The difference is i don't run off after reading threads on here then report what they're saying on your site. As you know im banned so I cant defend myself, you slag the members on here yet you still post on here so we cant be that bad. Maybe we have more members then your club how many you have actively posting now, 2 maybe 3. Your always welcome here Niggly.
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Trying to get back on topic with the mental state of the shooter, similarly to you, he seems a bit of an oddball & seeing as you’re so up to speed with gun laws in the UK over the USA you’d be a prime candidate to take siege of the Henry Schneider Statue with a peashooter & catapult. Now that would be a great thread debate. We might even be lucky enough to get live coverage from 12345 with one of his drones
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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by vincemunday » October 7, 2017, 7:31 pm

A Sky News take on the NRA and gun ownership. Whilst there has been reporting and debate in the UK after gun massacres before, I get the feeling that the attack in Vegas is having a bigger impact, there seems to be more reporting, analysis and theories than I’ve ever seen before.

http://news.sky.com/video/share-11070148
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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by Lone Star » October 7, 2017, 7:36 pm

newtovillagelife wrote:
October 7, 2017, 3:13 pm
How pathetic that the NRA, with only 4.5 million members, can control the US government. Thats 2% at best of the population. 2% runs the US, what a Fake democracy....what a joke!!!...
The answer is they don't run the US government. 555

The People don't need the NRA, the Congress or President to amend the Constitution. Read up.

Plus, the US is not a democracy. It's a constitutional republic. Some refer to it as a federal republic. They're both the same.

It's always good for one to know facts before they engage the keyboard. Thank me. :)

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