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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by vlad » October 7, 2017, 7:58 pm

It is an Addiction Vince you can say all you like about there Gun ownership till your blue in the face you will not change their way of thinking, its taught to them as children. There are enough videos around showing kids at Range's and there proud parents watching them fire guns.They will not accept their culture is wrong. It's obvious you can obtain fully Automatic or buy bump fire stocks openly yet some still deny it's not simple it is. Go on Utube and look at the white supremacists in full combat gear armed to the Teath in clear sight of the plod. Let's be honest if someone wants to burgle your house there coming for valuables there not coming to kill you or the family, and the old excuse im a responsible gun owner mine are kept locked up and secure. So are you going to say to a burgler ? hang on mate till I get my gun from my locked cabinet lol.

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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by vincemunday » October 7, 2017, 8:05 pm

Vlad wrong man mate, I agree with gun ownership although perhaps there should be better scrutiny about who and how they’re bought. With the huge increase of terrorist attacks I’m all for police being armed and let’s face it, there really is only one way to stop a bad man with a gun.
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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by vlad » October 7, 2017, 8:29 pm

Couldn't agree more mate all police here should be armed there-there to protect us, but we don't take the law into our own hands that's the difference. I'm fairly safe in the knowledge I can go to a concert and not be worried a Sniper or a madman is targeting me, and my kids can go to School safely. If you live in a Society where this is happening often then you need to look at why it happens frequently, and how it can be stopped happening again, but America understands but will not act.

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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by Earnest » October 7, 2017, 8:41 pm

vlad wrote:
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CI'm fairly safe in the knowledge I can go to a concert and not be worried a Sniper or a madman is targeting me
Manchester Arena suicide bombing at the Ariana Grande concert in the Summer?

The Eagles of Death Metal concert at the Bataclan in Paris 2015?

Derek Bird in Cumbria 2010?

Dunblane in 1996?

Hungerford in 1987?
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Re: Gun Control

Post by vincemunday » October 7, 2017, 9:32 pm

If we consider the recent shooting in Vegas I’m not sure at this moment in time that stricter controls would help, he was a millionaire businessman with no prior record, he would even pass the UK gun licensing laws, you’re always going to have madmen who will use something, not necessarily a gun, to kill and maim.
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Re: Gun Control

Post by Earnest » October 7, 2017, 10:03 pm

Agree with that. The answer is more complex than just gun control.
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Re: Gun Control

Post by BigRick808 » October 7, 2017, 10:45 pm

To those who complained about some of my posts not being related to this *thread*: they were related to prior posts by others.

Ironic that you complain about gun violence in a nation on the other side of the planet, yet you choose to live in a nation with just as much or more gun violence. That being said, I don't feel threatened when I'm in Thailand. I never worry about being shot. If I did I wouldn't go there or any other place where I felt I would be at high risk of being shot. And I wouldn't constantly complain about the laws and customs in their nation. It's not my affair. Each of our countries has problems to solve....

* prior Vegas shooting thread. Several posts by several people have been deleted. If you complained you should know who you are and be able to figure it out.

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Re: Gun Control

Post by Earnest » October 7, 2017, 11:49 pm

Yes, never felt in fear of being shot in Thailand.

Was never in fear of being shot in the US either.

The PI, however, was a different matter. :shock:
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Re: Gun Control

Post by jai yen yen » October 8, 2017, 12:13 am

I grew up with guns, started hunting when I was 12. When I was a teenager we all drove around with our guns mounted on racks in our pickup trucks, perfectly legal and we did not shoot each other. In fact I don't remember any killings at all with guns. I think it is a society problem more than a gun problem, as well if a nut is determined to kill he or she will find a way. You don't need a gun to do that although it may be easier with access to a firearm. Many people still like to hunt and target shoot, is it fair to stop them from owning guns? Do we want to live in a world where government controls every part of our life, how many die in car and motorcycle accidents taking innocent people with them. Should they banned as well? This an extreme example but you see my point. The criminals will always have guns because they are purchased on the black market. It is terrible when these things happen but it happens everywhere because there are nuts everywhere. I am more concerned about terrorist killings then being shot by a nut case. Terrorist attacks are starting now in Canada, not a lot but it will get worse. This I think is a bigger problem that is not going away either.

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Re: Gun Control

Post by GT93 » October 8, 2017, 2:38 am

Earnest wrote:
October 7, 2017, 11:49 pm
Yes, never felt in fear of being shot in Thailand.

Was never in fear of being shot in the US either.

The PI, however, was a different matter. :shock:
I think if I ever visited the US as a tourist I'd be the same. However if I was a Black American parent with teenagers I'd be quite anxious. I think there would be regular family safety talks.

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Re: Gun Control

Post by pf-flyer » October 8, 2017, 4:56 am

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I grew up with guns, started hunting when I was 12. When I was a teenager we all drove around with our guns mounted on racks in our pickup trucks, perfectly legal and we did not shoot each other. In fact I don't remember any killings at all with guns. I think it is a society problem more than a gun problem, as well if a nut is determined to kill he or she will find a way. You don't need a gun to do that although it may be easier with access to a firearm. Many people still like to hunt and target shoot, is it fair to stop them from owning guns? Do we want to live in a world where government controls every part of our life, how many die in car and motorcycle accidents taking innocent people with them. Should they banned as well? This an extreme example but you see my point. The criminals will always have guns because they are purchased on the black market. It is terrible when these things happen but it happens everywhere because there are nuts everywhere. I am more concerned about terrorist killings then being shot by a nut case. Terrorist attacks are starting now in Canada, not a lot but it will get worse. This I think is a bigger problem that is not going away either.
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I grew up with rifles and shotguns also and during hunting season I kept them in a gun rack in rear window of my pickup. A gun is a tool. It is people who kill people not guns. It is a people problem not a gun problem. If somebody wants to kill you they will find a way to it wither they have access to a gun or not. It is an issue of the heart. You cannot run away or escape from an issue of the heart because the issue goes with you no matter where you go. Its begins with parents teaching their children responsibility and interpersonal skills and how to deal with your anger, disagreements, stress and life's issues. Unfortunately we do not live in that perfect world. Not all of us grew up in a world with a perfect family with both parents. There are no guarantees in life and life is not always fair but that is not a rational to take out your anger and hate onto others.

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Re: Gun Control

Post by Aardvark » October 8, 2017, 6:13 am

I doubt he could have inflicted the same number of injuries with a knife, just sayin ....

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Re: Gun Control

Post by vincemunday » October 8, 2017, 6:31 am

We’re finding in Europe that these lunatics don’t need guns, if they’re serious about what they want to do they will use a bomb, a car, a lorry, a machete, these people will find a way to do what they want to do and with all the bomb ingredients being bunched together nicely by Amazon what could be simpler? Just saying too.
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Re: Gun Control

Post by jai yen yen » October 8, 2017, 7:56 am

Aardvark wrote:
October 8, 2017, 6:13 am
I doubt he could have inflicted the same number of injuries with a knife, just sayin ....
A bomb works pretty good if you want a high body count and not hard to make as well. I am also afraid of poison in our water or food. There are so many ways unfortunately, if you take guns away they would another one.

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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Post by tamada » October 8, 2017, 9:48 am

vlad wrote:
October 7, 2017, 7:58 pm
It is an Addiction Vince you can say all you like about there Gun ownership till your blue in the face you will not change their way of thinking, its taught to them as children. There are enough videos around showing kids at Range's and there proud parents watching them fire guns.They will not accept their culture is wrong. It's obvious you can obtain fully Automatic or buy bump fire stocks openly yet some still deny it's not simple it is. Go on Utube and look at the white supremacists in full combat gear armed to the Teath in clear sight of the plod. Let's be honest if someone wants to burgle your house there coming for valuables there not coming to kill you or the family, and the old excuse im a responsible gun owner mine are kept locked up and secure. So are you going to say to a burgler ? hang on mate till I get my gun from my locked cabinet lol.
Scary, real-life scenario. Stayed at my buddies house one Monday night after watching the football. After the game, we talked and drank a lot of beers until way late. I left him passed-out on the sofa while I went to the upstairs guest bedroom. Maybe 30 or 40 minutes later, I am wakened by him shouting from the foot of the stairs if I am awake and alright. Apparently he had woken up and seeing I had already turned in, went for a glass of water before going to bed. He thought it strange that the cigar humidor was gone from the tall table right behind the sofa where he had been sleeping but thought maybe I had taken it upstairs to do some restocking. When he went into his downstairs master bedroom, the first thing he sees is the empty humidor on the floor, the bedroom and ensuite had been tossed and his Glock is missing from the night stand. We'd been burgled.

His first thought was to run up the stairs and wake me up but despite the beer buzz, he worked out that if the burglar was still in the house and upstairs, he would be trapped... with his gun. So he unlocked and opened the front door at the foot of the stairs and started hollering instead of coming up. If the burglar was still inside and started shooting, he was going to be out the front door so fast. I would have to take care of myself.

The burglars (local kids) had entered through the ensuite bathroom window, tossed the master bedroom and then come out into the lounge and took the humidor which was probably only about 3 foot from his sleeping head. Luckily they were kids and not thugs since despite being now 'armed' with his gun, they went back into the master and escaped out the same window, with the cigars, the Glock and about 2 dozen of my buddy's best silk neckties.

The cops, who came about 1 hour later, suggested it was kids (very small window) and figured since it was the week before Father's Day, the neckties were going to be sold on street corners and the gun was just a bonus. But realizing that armed burglars had been in the house and only a few feet from your sleeping body made for the fastest ever sobering up my mate has ever experienced. I wasn't far behind and I reckon my shakes had bugger all to do with the DT's either.

BTW, he's a careful, trained, licensed concealed-carry gun owner and a lawyer, who puts the gun in the nightstand each night just like thousands of other careful, trained, licensed concealed-carry gun owners.

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