So we are currently dealing with "spying equipment of mass destruction" Thought so

TOT Installer just showed up with a Huawei box (mod), so I turned him away . The exclusivity Huawei has purchased apparently encompasses certain swathes of Udon, but not the entire city.

Will post more about this but I'm in the middle of a house build and no spare time.

BTW, why not open a new thread for those who want to discuss geo-political aspects of personal digital security?

Cheers,

I would trust any company banned by the 5 EYES Governments and would avoid any company in a 5 EYES country, for they work hand&hand vacuuming everything across the world.

Then ask yourself, why would China want my info?

ricks wrote: ↑

December 18, 2018, 9:06 am

I used to run my own on tot

How long ago? What changed? What are you using now?

The issue of home router security has become a big deal in the last year or so. Here's a link to an article that just scratches the surface (this mostly focuses on Russian State-sponsored hackers and the insertion of malware into a home router):

https://arstechnica.com/information-tec ... h-malware/

tamada wrote: ↑

December 18, 2018, 7:49 pm

runrunshaw wrote: ↑

December 18, 2018, 6:39 pm

I know most don't care, but here's an informative article:

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... T8GtwIuCjg

I've found a work-around which doesn't involve ZTE. The Thai government, obviously, is in bed with China these days. The ultimate results remain to be seen.

If I continue using my Cisco modem/router at home, it's data still being 'compromised' by whatever Huawei and ZTE hardware the Thai ISP's use, isn't it? I really don't see the OP's need to change his hardware beyond paying heed to some employer's rather hard to enforce directive. I mean are they going to send the Feds around to check or what?

As for the suggestion that,

runrunshaw wrote: ↑

December 17, 2018, 7:08 pm

...two highly-rated, expensive routers, and neither 3B nor True can support them without them first being connected to a Huawei box. The True installer told me the same thing is true for AIS. ...

Assuming the 'Huawei box' is the modem, I used a TP-Link modem/router that I bought in Malaysia on 3BB's service for years until I switched recently. If you get the setup parameters (look at them by accessing the current ISP providers modem configuration and setup login), then use these on your third-party modem. There is talk that binded modems are 'optimized' to match the network they run on which of course could include Huawei's or ZTE's data snooping technology, but I didn't have any issues using the non-binded and 'unoptimized' modem.

The True and 3BB installers tried using both of my new, non-Chinese modem/routers directly, by-passing the Huawei modem. They couldn't get either unit to work and said they weren't compatible with their systems (even though one is sold on Lazada.th). They only way to use either one would be to plug it into the Huawei modem, but what's the point of that? So yes, I would assume the new Huawei modems are "binded."

Years ago, I also used a "third party modem/router" on 3BB by simply plugging it in. All of the recent "upgrades" are changing that. And ZTE is no better than Huawei in terms of being a backdoor channel to the Ministry of State Security.

And guys, it's not helpful to suggest I ignore my company's directives. Want to know why? Meet me for a vodka, but you're buying.

I have multiple careers and travel frequently to China. Things have gone sideways there in the industry I'm working in. Don't ask. I have two Chinese ex-wives to whom I was married for a cumulative 20 years. I've spent a lot of time there, and while I'm no China expert, I'm not an uniformed idiot, either. Well, maybe sometimes.

An old intel buddy of mine down in Bangkok told me the other day, "Everybody is trying to spy on everybody else, but that doesn't mean we should make it easy for them."

So I have to forgo 5G and fiber until I move out of Thailand, which, after ten years here, I'm less and less opposed to doing.

In terms of ZTE and Huawei, this is a current headline: http://news.trust.org/item/20181227081104-uicvv

Tamada, you have a deal.

Good article about Huawei in SE Asia.

https://www.foreignbrief.com/tech-socie ... east-asia/

So Huawei Might Spy on you, but we already Know iPhone does. Polly says it all
https://www.rt.com/shows/icymi-with-pol ... rrest-spy/

A bit of fake news from RT - which afterall, is pretty much the official mouthpiece of the Russian government.

Everything I have seen insofar as it relates to banning/restricting Huawei products, refers to their commercial network equipment, and not at the consumer, individual phone level.

I think we all know already - or at least we should - that the pricks can spy on your mobile phone, whatever the brand.

Yes, you're correct, RT is Russian propaganda. Anyone who doesn't know that hasn't been paying attention. They are similar to China's Xinhua News Agency, but not as overt about being a mouthpiece for their government. All of Xinhua's overseas reporters are intelligence agents--their offices are located in their worldwide embassies--whereas RT has hired journalists from various countries to try and give them some credibility.

My post isn't about Huawei phones, but the Pentagon has banned their sale at base exchanges at all U.S. military installations. Anyone working in a sensitive position for the governments of the West and their allies won't use them.

The quality of Huawei phones are good; they should be, they stole the technology from the big cell makers and service providers.

I travel to China frequently for business, so I have skin in this game.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/the-risk- ... nhEsvKrnxE

I used to work in Central Asia and often in Kazakhstan. the Kazaks were at the time, the world's worst offender in terms of loading spyware onto your cell phone. China now holds that mantle. If you use a Chinese SIM card, your phone is compromised. If you use your own SIM card and engage roaming services, your phone will be compromised.

The State Department recommends using only burner phones in China, if you're a businessman, or just don't want the MSS to have all of your data.

runrunshaw wrote: ↑

January 19, 2019, 9:00 pm

The quality of Huawei phones are good; they should be, they stole the technology from the big cell makers and service providers.

The quality of Huawei phones are good and in most reports better than the iPhone and cost $500.00 less.

stole the technology from the big cell makers?

Right, and That's why they now have tons of patents and are years ahead in 5G technology.

As far as News Reporting goes, You don't find it Strange when tuned into any Western reporting, they all read the "Same Script" word for word, for the days top story, usually about Russia or China or Iran, talk about delusional.

RLTrader wrote: ↑

January 20, 2019, 3:37 pm

runrunshaw wrote: ↑

January 19, 2019, 9:00 pm

The quality of Huawei phones are good; they should be, they stole the technology from the big cell makers and service providers.

The quality of Huawei phones are good and in most reports better than the iPhone and cost $500.00 less.

stole the technology from the big cell makers?

Right, and That's why they now have tons of patents and are years ahead in 5G technology.

As far as News Reporting goes, You don't find it Strange when tuned into any Western reporting, they all read the "Same Script" word for word, for the days top story, usually about Russia or China or Iran, talk about delusional.

The impression you give is of being an apologist for Huawei, and, by extension the aggressive surveillance practices of the Chinese government. You also seem to be a harsh critic of the Western nations, media, industry, etc. Whatever floats your boat. There's plenty of legitimate criticisms to make about the non-Chinese nations and things they have done---go do it on your own thread.

My thread is about Huawei, and how their practices directly affect people like myself. You refuse to acknowledge that people like myself have legitimate concerns, you just constantly deflect.

BTW, your assertion that "The quality of Huawei phones are good and in most reports better than the iPhone," is a load of crap. But then, you're the guy who posted a link to a Russian propaganda media outlet.

But Huawei phones are cheap, so please go buy a bunch.

From the New York Times:

Secret Back Door in Some U.S. Phones Sent Data to China, Analysts Say

"According to its website, Adups provides software to two of the largest cellphone manufacturers in the world, ZTE and Huawei. Both are based in China."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/us/p ... urity.html

And boy, those bright Huawei R&D folks never leave the lab, do they? They just crank out patents, all by themselves.

Jury awards T-Mobile $4.8M in trade-secrets case against Huawei

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/t ... st-huawei/


From CNBC:

Larry Kudlow didn't go far enough in expressing concern about China's theft of Apple's tech

Apple has long faced the risk that doing business in China will compromise its intellectual property and trade secrets.

While Apple didn't mention IP issues in lowering its guidance this week, it's an ongoing concern.

White House advisor Larry Kudlow hinted at the problem on Friday.

Larry Kudlow, President Trump's economic adviser, suggested on Friday that China was stealing intellectual property and trade secrets from Apple, which may be contributing to the iPhone maker's financial challenges in the country.

However, he hedged a bit: "I don't want to surmise too much here, but Apple technology may have been picked off by China and now China is becoming very competitive with Apple," Kudlow said.

That was diplomatic of him. Because China is clearly taking Apple's IP and trade secrets and that fact is most certainly damaging the company's business.

This isn't a new problem, and companies know that, to some degree, it's the price of doing business in the world's second-biggest economy. Apple is at particular risk because of its large exposure to China and because of the country's increasingly sophisticated manufacturing sector. Last year, China's Huawei surpassed Apple in shipments of smartphones.

U.S. intelligence agencies and the Justice Department have laid out a long list of the types of concerted hacking and spying campaigns used by China to steal the IP of U.S. tech companies. China and its companies have strongly denied most of these claims over the years, making it hard for U.S. companies to take action. For example, a former Apple engineer was arrested in 2018 and charged with stealing self-driving car secrets. The engineer has denied the claims and pleaded not guilty in a California court.

runrunshaw wrote: ↑

January 20, 2019, 4:50 pm

go do it on your own thread.

Hmm, sorry I had thought this was an open forum that supported Free Speech. Maybe the people that run Udon Thani Forum can Lock your post, where you can spew your deep state BS? Just a thought.

Rule I sometimes fail to remember

"Don't Feed The Trolls"

RLTrader wrote: ↑

January 20, 2019, 6:08 pm

runrunshaw wrote: ↑

January 20, 2019, 4:50 pm

go do it on your own thread.

Hmm, sorry I had thought this was an open forum that supported Free Speech. Maybe the people that run Udon Thani Forum can Lock your post, where you can spew your deep state BS? Just a thought.

Rule I sometimes fail to remember

"Don't Feed The Trolls"

Free speech online in Thailand? Where have you been?
If anything, Udon Map is much more lax in moderating topics than the big Thai forums. In fact, there's virtually no moderation.
My Deep State BS? You're more clueless than I thought.
Once again, all you can seem do is deflect.
Hold up a mirror--you're the troll.

Interesting report from UNZ Review on

Huawei, 5G and the Fourth Industrial Revolution

Shooting Two Feet With One Bullet

Remarkably, only one company owns significant 5G intellectual property, controls its own silicon from end to end, produces all the elements of 5G networks–including proprietary chips–assembles and installs them affordably on a national scale: Huawei.

Huawei employs 700 mathematicians, 800 physicists, 120 chemists and 6,000 fundamental researchers. Among its 87,805 patents, 11,152 core patents were granted in the US and the company has cross-licensing agreements for patents with many Western companies. Your Huawei phone is assembled with just 28.5 seconds of human labor in a high-end automated plant spread over 1.4 square km. Automation and technology upgrades have reduced the staff to 17 yet its more than 30 production lines produce 2 million smartphones every month:

In 2018 Huawei unveiled the world’s first 5G Base Station Chipset, Tiangang, which enables simplified 5G networks and large-scale network deployment. It makes breakthroughs in integration, computing capability and spectral bandwidth and supports the 200 MHz high spectral bandwidth required for future networks while running 2.5 times faster than existing products. Tiangang improves active antenna units (AAU) in a revolutionary way and cuts the weight of 5G base stations by half. Huawei has shipped over 25,000 5G base stations worldwide, deployed 5G networks in more than 10 countries and will deploy 5G in 20 countries in 2019.

Tiangang is not the company’s only trick. Andrei Frumusanu says Huawei’s semiconductor division, HiSilicon, is the only company to provide high-end competition with Qualcomm and, in some areas, is comfortably ahead. Its 7 nm Ascend 910 chipset for data centers is twice as powerful as Nvidia’s v100 and the first AI IP chip series to natively provide optimal TeraOPS per watt in all scenarios. Its 7nm ARM-based CPU, the Kunpeng 920 boosts the development of computing in big data, distributed storage, and ARM-native application scenarios by 20%. Its Kirin 980 CPU is the world’s first commercial 7nm system-on-chip (SoC) and the first to use Cortex-A76 cores, dual neural processing units, Mali G76 GPU, a 1.4 Gbps LTE modem and supports faster RAM. With 20 percent faster performance and 40 percent less power consumption compared to 10nm systems, it has twice the performance of Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 845 and Apple’s A11 while consuming 40% less power. The Kirin 980 fits 6.9 billion transistors on a chip no larger than a thumbnail. Huawei’s patented modem has the world’s fastest Wifi and its GPS receiver taps L5 frequency to deliver 10cm positioning and supports speeds up to 1.4Gbps and 2,133MHz LPDDR4X RAM.

Huawei’s 5G phone will launch in June this year. Apple will release its first 5G handset in September, 2020.

http://www.unz.com/article/huawei-5g-an ... evolution/

Huawei tests Europe’s independence

The UK National Cyber Security Centre has concluded that "there are ways to limit the risks from using Huawei in future 5G ultra-fast networks," according to two people familiar with the matter which has not been made public, The Financial Times reported.

The article comments that the conclusion is "a serious blow to US efforts to persuade allies to ban the Chinese supplier from high-speed telecommunications systems."

As a member of the Five Eyes (the anglophone intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the UK and the US), London may indeed have given a reason for other European countries to continue using Huawei based on the above conclusion.

Not a single country or organization has found any evidence so far demonstrating that Huawei has illegally collected its device users' information. All accusations against Huawei of gathering intelligence for the Chinese government are only based on imagination. London's conclusion provides a reliable basis for third parties to dispel such fears.

Although the idea of Huawei engaging in espionage is technically possible, it does not make any sense from a commercial or political point of view.

Such a practice would be tantamount to suicide for a high-tech giant. If the Chinese government forced Huawei to do this, it would be stifling the country's emerging industries. But intelligence cannot be mentioned in the same breath as Huawei's contribution to China's industrial prosperity and national interests.

Hyping the alleged Huawei threat has violated the basic spirit of seeking truth from facts. The West is prioritizing ideology and considering excluding China as political correctness. Many people in Europe are aware of the lies, but still beating the drum for a certain value orientation rather than conducting an objective analysis.

The world is changing, and if Europe keeps prioritizing ideology and political correctness in dealing with every new situation, that would be dangerous.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1139283.shtml