Is Prayut's Anger Justified?
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Some interesting opinion pieces here, coming from Atiya Achakulwisut, Contributing Editor, Bangkok Post:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/search/news- ... earch=true
A lot in there to agree with. =D>
http://www.bangkokpost.com/search/news- ... earch=true
A lot in there to agree with. =D>
Is Prayut's Anger Justified?
Yes, as some predicted, this thread did eventually get to the point at which some pruning was necessary. The fact that an article appears in the Bangkok Post or The Nation does not mean that it's going to appear here. We have no interest in finding out the hard way that those papers stepped over the line; and that, therefore, we did, too.
The mandate is that we are not allowed to criticize the military government, not that we are not allowed to talk about it. We tried to remove or edit only those posts which i think might be close enough to the line to endanger Udon Map's status/existence. Only a few posts seemed to require intervention, and we appreciate your restraint in this regard.
We will continue to be vigilant, because we have to; although we will try to maintain discussions like this as free as possible. Continued self-restraint and self-editing on the part of UM members will mean that fewer posts are edited.
Thank you for your continued support and understanding in this regard.
The mandate is that we are not allowed to criticize the military government, not that we are not allowed to talk about it. We tried to remove or edit only those posts which i think might be close enough to the line to endanger Udon Map's status/existence. Only a few posts seemed to require intervention, and we appreciate your restraint in this regard.
We will continue to be vigilant, because we have to; although we will try to maintain discussions like this as free as possible. Continued self-restraint and self-editing on the part of UM members will mean that fewer posts are edited.
Thank you for your continued support and understanding in this regard.
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pathetic
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Grow up BH, the rules apply to everyone. A Man has a living to make, just go with the flow .....
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Why, open discussion on teakdoor with no censorship?
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Teakdoor?
That's a bit old hat isn't it? It's like telling people you still have a My Space account or browse the Hun's Yellow Pages when the missus is out.
Now look here, my stout little chum, you have to expect to be moderated when you venture into this sort of territory. This isn't a cosy chat on the Rochester by election in Blighty - the rules are different here. And if moderation still grips your ---- then I suggest you log orf, slip on your egg 'n' beer stained vest and have a beer down the night market.
Now Uncle Tilo's going to be miffed because I'm off topic...bugger.
That's a bit old hat isn't it? It's like telling people you still have a My Space account or browse the Hun's Yellow Pages when the missus is out.
Now look here, my stout little chum, you have to expect to be moderated when you venture into this sort of territory. This isn't a cosy chat on the Rochester by election in Blighty - the rules are different here. And if moderation still grips your ---- then I suggest you log orf, slip on your egg 'n' beer stained vest and have a beer down the night market.
Now Uncle Tilo's going to be miffed because I'm off topic...bugger.
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Miffed...me...never...just don't let it happen again, Khun Earnest, as I am most diligent about remaining on topic. Not only that, but poor Buffalo has had over 6' of snow in the past few days and another lot is on its way today and tomorrow. Toronto got off with only a few inches of the white stuff.
It is nice to see that the students were released, but there has to be a message here somewhere. At times it seems the new constitution will not be very democratic if the PM keeps getting miffed about minor inconveniences. Dissension and discussion of the party/people in charge is usually essential to most working democracies.
It is nice to see that the students were released, but there has to be a message here somewhere. At times it seems the new constitution will not be very democratic if the PM keeps getting miffed about minor inconveniences. Dissension and discussion of the party/people in charge is usually essential to most working democracies.
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Students are the next generation. Better educated and better informed. How long will their patience last?
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Is Prayut's Anger Justified?
Possibility: Teak Door isn't a registered business in Thailand, which would make it completely immune to any "enforcement" by "officials".BossHogg69 wrote:Why, open discussion on teakdoor with no censorship?
So just about any forum or website with a similar status could have a field day doing whatever it pleases.
Having seen throughout history past examples in other countries, quite similar to the current situation in this one, it's very possible that when any crackdown does occur that a demand is made upon the forum owner to disclose all possible information on "who posted that".
To not have a mole (human or electronic automaton) in place actually reading through everything, documenting & compiling details would be remiss on the part of any well-armed, control-minded (and likely xenophobic) entity. I can think of at least 3 organizations who would be doing that, right now, for certain. The big bad wolf is real.
But alas, to some ideas are more important than anything. As it should be? Fleeting dreams of a golden tomorrow.
If only the world we live in was truly free, no borders, no rat race, no hypocrisy, no insanity. Where we could all engage in free and deeply meaningful discourse on any subject.
Yet even with no junta, censorship or thin ice political situation to consider, I wonder if the petty minded horde of alcoholic clowns on here (and other forums, or elsewhere for that matter) will eventually win out over the last of the comparatively intelligent types.
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Well, there you go, the truth has been revealed. 55+redwolf wrote: I wonder if the petty minded horde of alcoholic clowns on here (and other forums, or elsewhere for that matter) will eventually win out over the last of the comparatively intelligent types.
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Not me, Redders, I'm a non-drinker - my clowning has no excuse.redwolf wrote:...the petty minded horde of alcoholic clowns on here...
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yeah, aside from my taunting words, I do wonder what some would find preferable, authoritarian rule + censorship, or living in fear of all-out mob rule ?
some (of the ones actually living here for real) should be glad the local market isn't like the video below.
crying about some land transactions seems kind of stupid when one considers the stakes.
some (of the ones actually living here for real) should be glad the local market isn't like the video below.
crying about some land transactions seems kind of stupid when one considers the stakes.
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Why do believe those are the only two options?redwolf wrote:yeah, aside from my taunting words, I do wonder what some would find preferable, authoritarian rule + censorship, or living in fear of all-out mob rule ?
I am sure most of us would prefer neither - including you "comparatively intelligent types".
Your cartoon is as extreme and silly as your "alcoholic clowns" comment.
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Like this one you mean (and Ive not had a drink or got my face paint on yet)Earnest wrote:Not me, Redders, I'm a non-drinker - my clowning has no excuse.redwolf wrote:...the petty minded horde of alcoholic clowns on here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRX5MiOG420
Here's tae us, wha's like us, damn few, and they're a' deid. Mair's the pity!
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socksy that video is HILARIOUS, I had to inline it for better viewing by all:socksy wrote:Like this one you mean (and Ive not had a drink or got my face paint on yet)Earnest wrote:Not me, Redders, I'm a non-drinker - my clowning has no excuse.redwolf wrote:...the petty minded horde of alcoholic clowns on here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRX5MiOG420
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No problem Red. It's not me being the clown by the way (well not on this occasion)
Here's tae us, wha's like us, damn few, and they're a' deid. Mair's the pity!
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Is Prayut's Anger Justified?
Come now JS, -surely principles have to meet reality at some point.jackspratt wrote:Why do believe those are the only two options?redwolf wrote:yeah, aside from my taunting words, I do wonder what some would find preferable, authoritarian rule + censorship, or living in fear of all-out mob rule ?
I am sure most of us would prefer neither - including you "comparatively intelligent types".
Your cartoon is as extreme and silly as your "alcoholic clowns" comment.
Indeed most of us prefer neither authoritarian rule nor mob rule, -and while you and many others are brave and willing enough to stand up for better, how likely is it true democracy will come about?
Understood that the fundamental human nature of this place being corrupt comes from the history of this land's peoples being ruled long and hard by subtle and at times no so subtle versions of the 'iron fist'. -Such that they cannot truly think for themselves, -or when they do it it is with a deeply selfish fervor.
By escalating the situation (by the way of the cartoon you scold me over and Socksy embellished with comic genius, and with all due respect yes Socksy understood you are not playing the role of clown this time), by taunting the drunken clowns on one hand, and getting a rise out of the Socrates and Plato types, -perhaps I will get an answer to the question that I find more at the root of this thread's subject matter:
Out of the groups of men with guns, which do people really prefer?
Because any other purpose for such a thread is a bit pointless.
People in this part of the world are wired differently, -for better or worse our ideals simply do not suit the lot of them.
Even if the 'noble ideas' did suit them, and they adopted them in earnest, they have an all-powerful neighbor who will surely over-run such ideals with impunity.
Perhaps one day true democracy could flourish. But I have sincere doubts of this, much to my chagrin and truly one of the deeper fears, as I have a young precious daughter being raised here.
Thus in the present context I see zero validity in ankle-biting authoritarian figureheads with criticisms of their land holdings, financial status, or holding to much account those who abide by the censorship rules such figureheads will surely crack down upon, -some day soon.
And as I have seen you enforce many a thread, I am betting you understand implicitly.
But in the end you must be thanked, for at least some real discussion of merit has taken place.
For me, I am deeply against turning the concept of discourse into a shambles (by the current circumstance of not being able to speak freely), -but I think some here are clever enough to say what we think and still be within the bounds of the "so-called" rules.
Would that not be better than having no venue at all?
I simply ask out of my own genuine concern.
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redwolf wrote:Come now JS, -surely principles have to meet reality at some point.jackspratt wrote:Why do believe those are the only two options?redwolf wrote:yeah, aside from my taunting words, I do wonder what some would find preferable, authoritarian rule + censorship, or living in fear of all-out mob rule ?
I am sure most of us would prefer neither - including you "comparatively intelligent types".
Your cartoon is as extreme and silly as your "alcoholic clowns" comment.
Indeed most of us prefer neither authoritarian rule nor mob rule, -and while you and many others are brave and willing enough to stand up for better, how likely is it true democracy will come about?
Understood that the fundamental human nature of this place being corrupt comes from the history of this land's peoples being ruled long and hard by subtle and at times no so subtle versions of the 'iron fist'. -Such that they cannot truly think for themselves, -or when they do it it is with a deeply selfish fervor.
By escalating the situation (by the way of the cartoon you scold me over and Socksy embellished with comic genius, and with all due respect yes Socksy understood you are not playing the role of clown this time), by taunting the drunken clowns on one hand, and getting a rise out of the Socrates and Plato types, -perhaps I will get an answer to the question that I find more at the root of this thread's subject matter:
Out of the groups of men with guns, which do people really prefer?
Because any other purpose for such a thread is a bit pointless.
People in this part of the world are wired differently, -for better or worse our ideals simply do not suit the lot of them.
Even if the 'noble ideas' did suit them, and they adopted them in earnest, they have an all-powerful neighbor who will surely over-run such ideals with impunity.
Perhaps one day true democracy could flourish. But I have sincere doubts of this, much to my chagrin and truly one of the deeper fears, as I have a young precious daughter being raised here.
Thus in the present context I see zero validity in ankle-biting authoritarian figureheads with criticisms of their land holdings, financial status, or holding to much account those who abide by the censorship rules such figureheads will surely crack down upon, -some day soon.
And as I have seen you enforce many a thread, I am betting you understand implicitly.
But in the end you must be thanked, for at least some real discussion of merit has taken place.
For me, I am deeply against turning the concept of discourse into a shambles (by the current circumstance of not being able to speak freely), -but I think some here are clever enough to say what we think and still be within the bounds of the "so-called" rules.
Would that not be better than having no venue at all?
I simply ask out of my own genuine concern.
RW
Here Here...that was brilliant Redwolf. You write with such intelligence, commitment and intensity. Keep it up my friend! =D> =D> =D> =D>
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Is Prayut's Anger Justified?
Not news. Thais don't like to have their actions questioned. NEVER! EVER! Not even constructive suggestions.
The more wealth and power they have the more this is true.
And since when has right to privacy been a Thai value?
The more wealth and power they have the more this is true.
And since when has right to privacy been a Thai value?
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I think there are 2 questions here, rw:
Can I remind you that one of Prayuth's strongest justifications for the coup was to crack down on corruption. Hence the OP.
In my view, there was only one group of men with guns - in a broad sense, Suthep's lot are pretty much indistinguishable from Prayuth's lot. Sort of like the fuse connected to the gelignite.redwolf wrote:
Out of the groups of men with guns, which do people really prefer?
Can I remind you that one of Prayuth's strongest justifications for the coup was to crack down on corruption. Hence the OP.
It is Admins prerogative to decide the limits of discourse on this subject - I recognise it is his forum. However, my view is that the over-caution is excessive, in the light of what is being discussed in a far more open manner in media which have far wider distribution, and are likely to be subject to much more scrutiny than our humble venue.Would that not be better than having no venue at all?