Laying up a Honda for several months

Post by **jimbeamm36** » February 10, 2017, 8:34 am

Has anyone ever bought or located fuel stabilizer in Thailand? I have asked many shops for it and they have no clue.
Thanks; JB

Post by **vidmaster** » February 10, 2017, 9:14 am

Where can I get trickle charger for a Honda Wave 125cc battery
Or are they all the same irrespective of battery size?
I will want to pay for the electricity used, can you estimate what a fair THB cost would be please
Many thanks again for all replies

Post by **Lone Star** » February 10, 2017, 9:49 am

vidmaster wrote:Where can I get trickle charger for a Honda Wave 125cc battery
Or are they all the same irrespective of battery size?
I will want to pay for the electricity used, can you estimate what a fair THB cost would be please
Many thanks again for all replies

The one I have came through a motorcycle source Twins Performance in Kanchanaburi. He's got more coming in another week. The ones I have are rated based on battery voltage. Mine are for 12 volt, and they work on my Harley and on the scooters.

http://www.twinsperformance.com/

Trickle chargers use very little electricity. It is so small an amount that I wouldn't have any idea what cost to place on it.

I haven't been able to find a trickle charger in Udon Thani, only a standard vehicle battery charger, which I bought at HomePro several years ago.

PS - I keep all my bikes on trickle chargers when they're not being ridden. Batteries last well over two years. I usually replace them just short of three years even though they still seem to be going strong.

Post by **Stevo** » February 10, 2017, 9:55 am

jai yen yen wrote:...an empty gas tank can lead to corrosion and water build up.

Absolutely correct.

jai yen yen wrote:A charger costs less than a new battery...

Incorrect, with regards to a Honda Wave battery.
Wave battery costs 350 - 500 Baht depending on brand, my low amp charger (max 1.4 Amp) cost me nearly 2,000 Baht 6 years ago.

We're talking about a Honda Wave here... comparing a Harley is like comparing chalk and cheese.
Fill it with Benzene 95 (you will know at the pump as it is about 10 Baht per liter more than the tree juice 91)... drive around on the 95 gold until you are low on fuel, refill with same again, then it's ready to leave it for 6 months. As Wizz said, it's a Wave!! the most reliable bike you can buy.

Post by **jai yen yen** » February 10, 2017, 10:01 am

Stevo wrote:
jai yen yen wrote:...an empty gas tank can lead to corrosion and water build up.
Absolutely correct.

jai yen yen wrote:A charger costs less than a new battery...
Incorrect, with regards to a Honda Wave battery.
Wave battery costs 350 - 500 Baht depending on brand, my low amp charger (max 1.4 Amp) cost me nearly 2,000 Baht 6 years ago.
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Yes a Honda wave battery is pretty cheap, in Canada I can buy a good smart charger for about 1200 baht or 38 Canadian dollars.

Post by **jai yen yen** » February 10, 2017, 10:05 am

vidmaster wrote:Where can I get trickle charger for a Honda Wave 125cc battery
Or are they all the same irrespective of battery size?
I will want to pay for the electricity used, can you estimate what a fair THB cost would be please
Many thanks again for all replies

Try the motorcycle shops in Udon, they will work on all bikes or cars as well.

Post by **jai yen yen** » February 10, 2017, 10:10 am

C teck is a good brand, google them and order from outside the country if you have to. I brought mine over from Canada as well as the fuel stabilizer.

Post by **Stevo** » February 10, 2017, 10:27 am

vlad wrote:As for seals and rings only change them if the bike has done a lot of miles or is smoking a lot don't fix it if its not broken.

So, are you saying that 85,000 Km is not a lot of mileage for what is basically little more than a single 2 inch diameter piston?
That's double the circumference of the earth!
If you wait until the bike is smoking a lot, it is way past new rings... it will then need a re-bore and oversize piston kit.
This is what a 125 Wave piston looks like after 85,000 Km, note the brown staining below the oil control ring!
A new set of rings and a gasket set with valve stem seals for a Wave costs less than 350 Baht! it's called Maintenance, vlad!

Post by **vlad** » February 10, 2017, 3:10 pm

Stevo the photo does indeed show a fecked piston that looks like it has been thrashed with poor maintenance. I've witnessed
seized engines simply because the owner never checked the oil till it was too late or in some cases used Veg oil. How many members jump on there bike and open it up from cold before the engine has a chance of warming up. I would imagine a new 4 Stroke will do 25-30 k before rings are worn if its been looked after. On the fuel tank decision never drain it as there will always be deposits lying in the bottom of the tank and never let it run till it runs out as this only results in sucking this through the jets and carb.

Post by **vidmaster** » February 10, 2017, 3:20 pm

This is all fascinating stuff to me
A bit like playing golf or being an economist
Ask 50 pros or economists & you get 50 different answers- MAGIC!!!!

Post by **Stevo** » February 10, 2017, 4:37 pm

vlad wrote:Stevo the photo does indeed show a fecked piston that looks like it has been thrashed with poor maintenance.

@vlad, so in your learned opinion... does this piston look "fecked, like it has been thrashed with poor maintenance"?

vlad wrote:I would imagine a new 4 Stroke will do 25-30 k before rings are worn if its been looked after.

The piston in all these pictures is the same one! it's the piston from 'Wizzwanger's Wave which had done 85,000 Km of moderate riding, not thrashed, and had the oil changed every 3,000 - 4,000 Km.
The piston wasn't 'fecked', it just needed cleaning with a brass brush to remove the burnt oil stains and mild carbon build up around the crown and in the ring lands. The cylinder was hone just to break the glaze. Engine now burns no oil.

Post by **fatbob** » February 10, 2017, 4:43 pm

How to store a Honda Wave, simple, make sure the tank is full, and full of Benzine only, not 95 gasohol, don't add anything to the fuel. Disconnect the battery. Spray the whole bike except rubber and seat with 'Sonax' or similar, cover bike and jobs done, certainly not rocket science.

Post by **vidmaster** » February 10, 2017, 5:04 pm

Ok & thank you for reply fatbob
But where can I get Sonax please?

Post by **Aardvark** » February 10, 2017, 5:28 pm

Just use WD40 you can't go wrong ...

Post by **fatbob** » February 10, 2017, 6:07 pm

As Aardvark says, WD 40, Sonax, it's all the same, any hardware, even Lotus has the stuff.

Post by **Philrjones** » February 10, 2017, 7:05 pm

Re mileage on these little things. I stopped our postie on a Wave 110i and had a look. He had 79,000 kms on it and when I asked him he said, oil changes all the time, and his was due to be replaced at 80,000 kms. We've a Wave 100 in the family with 60,000 kms and another 125 model with 50,000 and both are still going strong.

Post by **Stevo** » February 10, 2017, 8:23 pm

Regular oil changes are indeed the key, Phil... as it's already been mentioned, these engines don't have a cartridge type oil filter, but instead they have a centrifugal oil spinner (plus a mesh gauze in the crankcase that the oil is drawn through). The semi-auto models (i.e. not the Wave Z) actually have 2 clutches, a regular type one and a centrifugal one, so naturally you would expect more clutch debris in the oil... changing the oil more often than the service book states is required simply keeps the oil cleaner, therefor keeping more of the fine debris from circulating through the oil passageways and also prevents premature build up in the centrifugal spinner.
I have 2 Waves in my household... my wife's 100S that she's had from new now with 48,000 Km on it, and my 110i which is 5 years old and has 95,000 Km on the clock (it used to be a Wall's ice cream delivery bike with a cooler box side car attached to it). Bulletproof bikes!

Post by **vlad** » February 11, 2017, 12:58 am

stevo couldn't see any score marks or pitting on the Piston because of the oil deposits on your pics. Oil or dirt hides a multitude of probs is all im saying.

Post by **Lone Star** » February 11, 2017, 8:14 am

Stevo wrote:
vlad wrote:Stevo the photo does indeed show a fecked piston that looks like it has been thrashed with poor maintenance.

@vlad, so in your learned opinion... does this piston look "fecked, like it has been thrashed with poor maintenance"?
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vlad wrote:I would imagine a new 4 Stroke will do 25-30 k before rings are worn if its been looked after.
The piston in all these pictures is the same one! it's the piston from 'Wizzwanger's Wave which had done 85,000 Km of moderate riding, not thrashed, and had the oil changed every 3,000 - 4,000 Km.
The piston wasn't 'fecked', it just needed cleaning with a brass brush to remove the burnt oil stains and mild carbon build up around the crown and in the ring lands. The cylinder was hone just to break the glaze. Engine now burns no oil.

Good stuff, Stevo. Learn something new hanging around you.

Post by **jimbeamm36** » February 12, 2017, 9:22 pm

Has anyone ever bought or located fuel stabilizer in Thailand? I have asked many shops for it and they have no clue.
Thanks; JB

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