Marriage Extension New Rule

Post by **sometimewoodworker** » March 6, 2019, 10:26 pm

DuiDui49 wrote: ↑
March 6, 2019, 6:10 pm

sometimewoodworker wrote: ↑
March 6, 2019, 5:24 pm

Chriss wrote: ↑
March 6, 2019, 12:49 pm
Well new rule for me anyway.

Last month I applied again for my marriage extension, all paperwork correct, stamped and signed, come back in a month for final stamp.

This morning I had a call from Immigration saying I need to supply a new Thor Lor 2. Was told to go to my local Ampur, they will supply a new document with today's date. Which I duly did and took said document, which BTW cost 40 Bht and was done in 5 mins, directly to Immigration.

I was told at Immigration from now each year when I apply for a renewal I will need to produce a new Thor Lor 2.

Interested to hear if anyone else has had the same..
A new Kor Ror 2 is a standard requirement and is listed at No. 14 in the official handout, listed as KO.RO. No.2. As is a non related Thai witness.

The reason for it is extremely simple. if you have divorced you can not get one. So is another check on fake marriages .
Kor Ror 3 is the Marriage Certificate.

Kor Ror 2 is the registry entry.

Certainly and it is a current Kor Ror 2, which can be obtained at any amper, that is being talked about and that can't be obtained unless you are still married. Both 2 (22 if a non thai marriage) and 3 are required

Post by **sometimewoodworker** » March 6, 2019, 10:30 pm

Chriss wrote: ↑
March 6, 2019, 7:08 pm

dunroaming wrote: ↑
March 6, 2019, 6:13 pm
Also not a new requirement
Interestingly the IO told me it was a new requirement which I accepted given this is the first time I've been asked for a renewed document from the Ampur. They have taken the original for the last 6 years which has been approved by BKK. Hence my original post.

It may well be BKK are now pushing for renewals (which is a basic requirement, mentioned above) given the increase in marriage extensions now applied for whereas previously they let it slide accepting the original.

It has been on the handout dated 2008 and certainly asked for by other offices for a long time.

Post by **Chriss** » March 6, 2019, 10:58 pm

sometimewoodworker wrote: ↑
March 6, 2019, 10:30 pm

Chriss wrote: ↑
March 6, 2019, 7:08 pm

dunroaming wrote: ↑
March 6, 2019, 6:13 pm
Also not a new requirement
Interestingly the IO told me it was a new requirement which I accepted given this is the first time I've been asked for a renewed document from the Ampur. They have taken the original for the last 6 years which has been approved by BKK. Hence my original post.

It may well be BKK are now pushing for renewals (which is a basic requirement, mentioned above) given the increase in marriage extensions now applied for whereas previously they let it slide accepting the original.
It has been on the handout dated 2008 and certainly asked for by other offices for a long time.

OK I'm not arguing; merely saying I've been using my original for the last 6 years here in Udon and now they've asked for a new document from the Ampur, that's all. In my obvious naivety I thought this was a fairly recent change or addition to requirements or maybe just something I had to do this year... I guess I'm wrong..

I never used any 'handout' 7 years ago just sat with an IO and noted down all the documents I needed. After that simply presented the same every year.

Post by **Hoopoe** » March 7, 2019, 8:12 am

I took a friend into I/O yesterday for his 90 day report , whilst there i thought would look to see if any of the pamphlets had the new retirement extension rules in English ,(there are none ) Immigration officer said new rules for marriage extension , (according to Udon Immigration ) the Kor 2 has to be up dated ,i have used mine for the past 14 years , but hey this is what they now require ,so i'll be going to the Amper office soon , he stated they are now turning people away without an up dated Kor 2 .

Post by **Chriss** » March 7, 2019, 8:18 am

Hoopoe wrote: ↑
March 7, 2019, 8:12 am
I took a friend into I/O yesterday for his 90 day report , whilst there i thought would look to see if any of the pamphlets had the new retirement extension rules in English ,(there are none ) Immigration officer said new rules for marriage extension , (according to Udon Immigration ) the Kor 2 has to be up dated ,i have used mine for the past 14 years , but hey this is what they now require ,so i'll be going to the Amper office soon , he stated they are now turning people away without an up dated Kor 2 .

Yeah, thank you sir, now that was the type or reply I was looking for.... you are a gent....

Post by **Wee Jimmy** » March 7, 2019, 8:20 am

I thought it was all to easy as per my post. 08.10 this morning got a call from immigration for the wife to go and get the kor lor 2 updated at the Amper. What NEXT!!!

Post by **Chriss** » March 7, 2019, 9:46 am

Wee Jimmy wrote: ↑
March 7, 2019, 8:20 am
I thought it was all to easy as per my post. 08.10 this morning got a call from immigration for the wife to go and get the kor lor 2 updated at the Amper. What NEXT!!!

Welcome to the club Jimmy. As I mentioned above for me it was a 5 minute in an out visit to the Ampur.

Post by **Jing Jing** » March 7, 2019, 11:26 am

Does it matter which amphor you were married in? I would think you would have to go to the office where you filed your marriage originally.

Apparently Thailand does not have a process for making certified copies of legal documents. That is why everytime the bank or any one wants a legal document they make a copy and you need to sign.

Marriage Certificate
คร = khor ror

Post by **sometimewoodworker** » March 7, 2019, 11:41 am

Jing Jing wrote: ↑
March 7, 2019, 11:26 am
Does it matter which amphor you were married in? I would think you would have to go to the office where you filed your marriage originally.

It doesn't, matter any Amper is OK, we married in Lak Si Ket and got our last Kor Ror 2 in Non Sa-At

Post by **saint** » March 7, 2019, 11:44 am

Hoopoe wrote: ↑
March 7, 2019, 8:12 am
I took a friend into I/O yesterday for his 90 day report , whilst there i thought would look to see if any of the pamphlets had the new retirement extension rules in English ,(there are none ) Immigration officer said new rules for marriage extension , (according to Udon Immigration ) the Kor 2 has to be up dated ,i have used mine for the past 14 years , but hey this is what they now require ,so i'll be going to the Amper office soon , he stated they are now turning people away without an up dated Kor 2 .

Same Same for me yesturday . Immigration insisted we go to ampher office to validate our marriage certificate .
As we got married longs time ago in BKK , im thinking the worst .
No problem at all , local ampher done and dusted in about 30 minutes . Certificate in Thai basically stated when we got married and that were still married .
Immigration happy with new certificate . Was told its a new requirement , must be new every year , and we can do it in advance , but not more than 3 days in advance .

Post by **dragonz** » March 7, 2019, 11:54 am

IT IS! a new requirement as told to me yesterday by the imm officer .Always need the kor ror 22 but I used my old one for the last 4 extensions . someone posted it is to show you are still married but surely they can check that on their computers same as other countries do , same as the amphur office does that gives you the document . Same government , same computer network.
. Glad they do not want updated copies of MY uk marraige certificate every years as it is the same thing and if i got divorced in uk i am sure i could still get this document . Normal sane countries only ever give you 1 marriage certificate , not an updated copy every year

Post by **sometimewoodworker** » March 7, 2019, 2:21 pm

dragonz wrote: ↑
March 7, 2019, 11:54 am
Normal sane countries only ever give you 1 marriage certificate , not an updated copy every year

It is not a marriage certificate. It is a record in the Thai database of marriages that you are still married. The Thai marriage certificates are the pretty ones.

It is extremely unlikely to be on the same network as the immigration records as it needs rather less security.

Post by **dragonz** » March 7, 2019, 4:42 pm

sometimewoodworker wrote: ↑
March 7, 2019, 2:21 pm

dragonz wrote: ↑
March 7, 2019, 11:54 am
Normal sane countries only ever give you 1 marriage certificate , not an updated copy every year
It is not a marriage certificate. It is a record in the Thai database of marriages that you are still married. The Thai marriage certificates are the pretty ones.

It is extremely unlikely to be on the same network as the immigration records as it needs rather less security.

yeh probably ok to most people but to me a bit crazy . was with my wife and boys getting same visa from same officers who have known me for 10 years . Took me 8 hours and about 200 kms driving because immigration could not check if i was divorced . They could have just phoned the office and given them the number off my old kor sor 2 and they could have just told them or emailed /faxed it to them , would take 10 minutes and saved me 6 hours and 100 kms or even better they could have told me on my last 90 day report which was on jan 28 when i asked if there were any new documents needed for my new extension in a few weeks and was told no
what is the equivalent document in other countries because to me it is just an entry in the amphur to say you have got married ?

Post by **sometimewoodworker** » March 7, 2019, 5:35 pm

dragonz wrote: ↑
March 7, 2019, 4:42 pm

sometimewoodworker wrote: ↑
March 7, 2019, 2:21 pm

dragonz wrote: ↑
March 7, 2019, 11:54 am
Normal sane countries only ever give you 1 marriage certificate , not an updated copy every year
It is not a marriage certificate. It is a record in the Thai database of marriages that you are still married. The Thai marriage certificates are the pretty ones.

It is extremely unlikely to be on the same network as the immigration records as it needs rather less security.
yeh probably ok to most people but to me a bit crazy . was with my wife and boys getting same visa from same officers who have known me for 10 years . Took me 8 hours and about 200 kms driving because immigration could not check if i was divorced . They could have just phoned the office and given them the number off my old kor sor 2 and they could have just told them or emailed /faxed it to them , would take 10 minutes and saved me 6 hours and 100 kms or even better they could have told me on my last 90 day report which was on jan 28 when i asked if there were any new documents needed for my new extension in a few weeks and was told no
what is the equivalent document in other countries because to me it is just an entry in the amphur to say you have got married ?

To repeat It is a record in the Thai database of marriages that you are still married. AFIK the UK doesn't have an equivalent

If you were in immigration when you were told you could have gone to the nearest Ampur to get the up to date one.

Post by **LoneTraveler** » March 8, 2019, 8:44 am

sometimewoodworker wrote: ↑
March 6, 2019, 10:26 pm

DuiDui49 wrote: ↑
March 6, 2019, 6:10 pm

sometimewoodworker wrote: ↑
March 6, 2019, 5:24 pm

Chriss wrote: ↑
March 6, 2019, 12:49 pm
Well new rule for me anyway.

Last month I applied again for my marriage extension, all paperwork correct, stamped and signed, come back in a month for final stamp.

I have 2 questions concerning the marriage extension. I would ask immigration but I am not sure how reliable their answers will be. I want to be as prepared as possible so I do not have to make a return trip to Immigration because I do not have all my ducks in a row.

1. How many copies of the complete marriage extension need to be submitted? Some poster say 1 and some say 2.

2. How many un-related witness are required to accompany us to Immigration on the day of application. Again some say 1 and others say 2.

Post by **LoneTraveler** » March 8, 2019, 8:49 am

I have 2 questions concerning the marriage extension. I would ask immigration but I am not sure how reliable their answers will be. I want to be as prepared as possible so I do not have to make a return trip to Immigration because I do not have all my ducks in a row.

1. How many copies of the complete marriage extension need to be submitted? Some poster say 1 and some say 2.

2. How many un-related witness are required to accompany us to Immigration on the day of application. Again some say 1 and others say 2.

Post by **Udonhoward** » March 8, 2019, 8:58 am

Don't know the answer to #1, but I've always only had one witness, and that works.

Post by **TAXIfor7/11** » March 8, 2019, 9:01 am

2 copies of everything ,1 un -related witness

Post by **sometimewoodworker** » March 8, 2019, 10:25 am

LoneTraveler wrote: ↑
March 8, 2019, 8:44 am

I have 2 questions concerning the marriage extension. I would ask immigration but I am not sure how reliable their answers will be. I want to be as prepared as possible so I do not have to make a return trip to Immigration because I do not have all my ducks in a row.

1. How many copies of the complete marriage extension need to be submitted? Some poster say 1 and some say 2.

2. How many un-related witness are required to accompany us to Immigration on the day of application. Again some say 1 and others say 2.

1) 2 sets
2) First extension 2 ( including pu yai baan) second extension 1

Post by **Chriss** » March 15, 2019, 7:42 am

And a follow on from my OP. Had a call yesterday from Immigration now they want me to make a transaction at my bank and have my bank book updated for them to copy. Take 100 bht out or put 100 bht in is all you need I was told.
Did the deed took the book to the office where they took a couple of copies.
I feel sorry for the IO's, it looks like they are sent these requests from BKK but aren't told the why's and wherefore's... you can see the frustration on their faces as they apologised for all the delays. One IO told my wife they have over 100 people to call to get these updates from.
Another week to wait for my final stamp in the passport, maybe. Think I'll up to a retirement next time.

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