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Post by **Marcosteffano** » March 26, 2017, 12:16 pm

Hi thanks for the info.about the Shera,im thinking about decking over the walkway sides around my pool as it's cracked in places and would be an easy fix.i thought about tiles but if water gets the chance it will lift them and will be a big price to pay.im currently renovating a property and using Shera all over the job and think it's the best thing since sliced bread was invented.window frame surrounds,floors,exterior and internal walls for bathrooms to be tiled.ive even coated the peers (columns) and corners with Shera plank rather than use those mini stick on brickettes,termite and weather proof.im doing the managementand design and using family.going is a bit slow with mainly only 2 men most days but that's ok by me as they get on a bit more and no one stands around with their hands in their pockets then.ive not got to looking at the kitchen yet and may just go for off the shelf cupboards and tile the lot.i love this Shera board and cladding and if I was building a new house would go full Shera and no block walls as things tend to move with 70mm blocks made from weetabix.anyway here's a few pics of my Shera work.good luck with the build.

Post by **Marcosteffano** » March 26, 2017, 12:24 pm

I would like to come and look at the pool and Shera decking when it's finished and your around as this would be an ideal problem solved and match the rest of my project.

Post by **Barney** » March 27, 2017, 10:41 am

Marcosteffano,

More than welcome to come and have a look at the deck either now as its just about finished or when it is complete soon. You can see the photos now of the 3 stairs in place ready for the 1200 mm wide shera stair treads and concrete the landings. Just concerned now that the fitting of the shera plank against the pool infinity drain goes as planned. I have been very specific about the deck level being perfect and the same as the water level. No reason to doubt him but im not there.

Just let me know if you want to visit and I will tell the GF that's you are coming. Don't come unannounced unless you want to see the bad side of our little dog. :-"
We used Shera on the external wall cladding over a steel frame with gyproc internal walls and then shera again on the deck as you know from photos.
But we changed the product for the facia, eaves and door frames using another product the same as shera called Conwood. Got that from tool pro. Thought tool pro was just tools and hardware but when you go way out the back behind the tools section there are all the other cement composite products.
Conwood had for us the best profile for a facia board as it was the widest, 10 inch, we could find to fit and level the deep stainless guttering where ever we required. A guy sent from tool pro came out and measured our door frames, we have 2 different width for our internal doors ( our design has the 3 bedrooms and office/utility rom wider than the guest toilet and laundry, and tool pro then sent the Conwood door frames measured and cut already for installation. Having a pre measure and cut and fitted ended up being the best for us. He had the support brace pieces aswell in the packaging for a true square fit. Much better than timber frames IMO. All of these cement composite products help with negating any termite problems.
So, as helpful info to others, there are more products just like Shera for different applications if you look around. Checking your self takes away the Thai building pushing his familiar products and allowing comparisons. The builders are not wrong but can be tunnel visioned in their thoughts and ideas.

Post by **Barney** » April 1, 2017, 5:48 pm

Without trying to bore you I may as well show you the finished deck and rail product of the front porch rails and 2 way landing and at the rear the full deck around the pool with 3 stair ways.
Cost 80,000 thb for the labour and the total coast of concrete, blocks, paint steel was just short of 50,000 ....... shera was 50,000.
So a very large deck, stairs and lots of railing all built on site 180,000 bht.
Just have to paint the shera deck and stairs now and the tiles will come later on the 4 landings and pathways.
Small concrete block under the deck is for the 2 external gas bottles.
I am pleased with the end result.

Next project wifey has to attempt is the back concrete section for the 4 x 2000 ltr tanks , 2 pumps, plumbing into house , large dog kennel area and a lockup tool shed. The 10,000 ltr underground tank is already installed ages ago. Concrete will be 100 mm thick siting on the ground, 6 mtr wide from the fence and 20 mtrs long. Roof cover will be 9 mtrs wide and 20 mtrs long. Plenty of shade area and more roof to catch water.
She has my design and drawings.

Post by **Randall** » April 2, 2017, 2:28 am

Do you need a special paint for the Shera decking? I cant imagine something lasting on a horizontal surface.
Very nice and clean pool deck area.
Why do they make cinder block forms for the stair pads? Why not just wood forms? Here they they use forms and then take them off at the end of the day and smooth the finish all nice on the exposed sides.
ITs funny last time I was looking here I thought where is the shaded aircon dog house and run.

Post by **Barney** » April 2, 2017, 10:09 am

Randall wrote:Do you need a special paint for the Shera decking? I cant imagine something lasting on a horizontal surface.
Very nice and clean pool deck area.
Why do they make cinder block forms for the stair pads? Why not just wood forms? Here they they use forms and then take them off at the end of the day and smooth the finish all nice on the exposed sides.
ITs funny last time I was looking here I thought where is the shaded aircon dog house and run.

Hi Randall,

Thanks for the comments

I will choose a paint or coating suitable for the deck when I am home next, there are heaps of paint shops around and you can get anything you need for a purpose. There are specific outdoor deck paints to choose. Something non slip and easily hosed down if the salt water from the pool is spread around to much. Not to concerned, plenty of time to think in Thailand and will have something suitable on the deck, myself and the GF have thought about this design many times, changing our ideas often, but in all our ideas for a house we have always had the pool as the focul point of our whole design and build for personal use or entertaining, everything leads to the pool, bedrooms, dining, lounge and kitchen areas. Its my little holiday resort style.
The deck is clear and we will have another thai style open area built into the deck later. Just a simple 5mtr x 5mtr covered sitting area.

I had them use the concrete blocks as forms only because I had bought 200 of them as temporary stairs some time ago. Didn't want to waste them or clutter up the place even more by storing them. The landings and pathways will have a tile on them so the concrete is rough at the moment.

The dogs along with us live in a house on the property that you cant see. Have a 9mtr by 7mtr covered area for the cars and dogs on the back of that house. The new covered area will not be A/C'd for the dogs. But they will have personal fans

To keep mosquitos at bay.

This old house will be demolished once we move in and I will build a new small house for the mum in law who is in Khon Kaen, We have 2 power supplies and meters on the property and one will transfer to her little house along with water.
We have only had the pool pumps on the 2nd supply to the new house for some months and surprisingly the pool pumps are only costing 45 bht per bill. Running 4 to 6 hours a day.

Post by **kopkei** » April 2, 2017, 6:16 pm

We have only had the pool pumps on the 2nd supply to the new house for some months and surprisingly the pool pumps are only costing 45 bht per bill. Running 4 to 6 hours a day.

can you explain better ? what is per bill ? not by month ? ...
if a 1hp pump that uses about 700w , turns 6 hours a day it will be around 17 baht..x 31 = 527 baht/month/bill?
and you are talking pumps, more than 1?...so it is 45 baht a day ? or did i misunderstand this?...
if your pumps(more than 1?) are using only 45 baht/ month let me know the brand ..
thanks for any clearing

Post by **Barney** » April 2, 2017, 7:01 pm

kopkei,

Let me get back to you with a more detailed answer on the bill and what billing period, I'm not home at the moment and will need to get you an answer from site.

We have a Australian Emaux pool system including pumps filters salt water chlorinator, computer, LED lighting etc. I'll ask number 1 to take a photo of the pump motor name plate.
But, we have 2 pumps and will clarify now, if I posted confusing or inaccurate info, my apologies for that, only one runs at any one time. 1st is the main filter pump which runs for 6 hours a day in the cold weather and needs to be timed to filter longer with more filtering time now the warmer weather is coming and people will use it more now. The 1st filter pump also runs when the vacuuming is done. 40 minutes at most once a week.

The 2nd pump has completely different plumbing and only runs when the filter pump is inactive. It does not pump water through the filter. With any infinity style pool you need a 2nd pump to continually fill the pool from the surge tank, because when people are actually swimming and with all the splashing and, white whale diving displacement from me it empties the water over the edge. If you don't run that pump the water empties out. Naturally this 2nd pump does not need to run when swimming during the filter period.
The 2nd fill pump has a switch in the kitchen to turn it on for swimming. It runs when ever we are swimming.

We get 2 electric bills from the 2 meters. Old house is about 2000 bht depending on AC use and the other was always about 40 to 50 bht.
I'll get back later on other stuff. Hope my answer isn't to long winded.

Post by **kopkei** » April 2, 2017, 7:11 pm

will wait your response when you are home because now it is not making any sense...thanks

Post by **Marmite The Dog** » April 2, 2017, 10:52 pm

Randall wrote:Do you need a special paint for the Shera decking? I cant imagine something lasting on a horizontal surface.
Very nice and clean pool deck area.
Why do they make cinder block forms for the stair pads? Why not just wood forms? Here they they use forms and then take them off at the end of the day and smooth the finish all nice on the exposed sides.
ITs funny last time I was looking here I thought where is the shaded aircon dog house and run.

Shera do different colours with the finish colour impregnated rather than painted on so it never wears off. I've not seen it used much though. I believe Thai builders are not aware of their existence (along with U-traps, grounding and straight lines).

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Post by **Barney** » April 2, 2017, 10:59 pm

Marmite yes they have coloured boards but none in the colour we wanted.
Our house was originally shera brown but we both didn't like it and it is now grey.

. I'm sure we will decide then change our mind in the colour before we paint. That's what's good about doing your own thing.

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Post by **Barney** » April 3, 2017, 8:15 pm

kopkei wrote:will wait your response when you are home because now it is not making any sense...thanks

Well Kopkei you have me stumped and I am trying to find out why the bill was so low.
I know it was only 40 or 50 bht as I was home for 7 months and couldn't work the low cost.
Our separate old house bill was always about 1500 or 1600 bht. Its a mystery, but below is the latest.
The pump either 1 or 2 run for no more that 4 hours/ day. plus 1 hour / week for vacuum.
Your calc's are correct.

The girl doesn't keep bills but here is the last one from Feb 20 to march 20.

Total 631.04 bht, no idea what the 65bht deduction was for. Came to 605 all up.
175 kwhr
at 3.6 bht

This 175 KWh is the month that includes the new kitchen appliances, some ceiling fans running.
The 2 builder's, both Kitchen and deck teams, were using all their power tools and especially a single phase welding machine which was used extensively for every joint on the handrails.
I'm at a loss as I mentioned and will investigate the pumps efficiency rating. Ill need to check if they are variable speed or something else.
The pumps have an input rating on the name plate of 1.8 kw. So 1800 x 5hr / 1000 = 9kw x 3.6 bht x 30 days ..should be 970 bht / month. That's without the other use by builder????

Will monitor this next month closely. I am intrigued. But definitely not be losing sleep any time soon.

Post by **kopkei** » April 4, 2017, 8:05 am

hi barney ,thanks for the reply..
as i suspected 45 baht ...impossible, you have 2 , 2hp pumps using 1.8 kw/hour , so my calculation (and yours) is indeed
more realistic , need of 2 pumps? , overflow normally works by pumping extra water out of an external reservoir to make the pool overflow to the filter , so if you are swimming, and not filtering and the water level lowers it will be no problem the spilled water during swimming without filter will go back to the compensation tank and will automatically return filtered to the swim when pump starts ...and lower water level is only till the filtering start ,so why 2 pumps and why a 2nd 2hp pump to only fill up the swim? ,(second smaller and cheaper pump would do the same work ?)
sorry for bugging , but i am not shy to learn something new everyday ...

Post by **Barney** » April 4, 2017, 1:04 pm

I think we are both trying to learn something here.

But something is missing from the formula and calculation which I can't put my finger on with facts.
So with out boring other who may want to move along now if not further interested.

I can guarantee you with no BS that I only ever had a bill for 40 to 50 bht / month for the new house with the pool running only. I can not explain this. I wish she had kept the bills.

Lets start with just the 1 pump motor scenario.

2 HP is actually 1500w. Not 1800 as on the name plate.
Lets go the actual scenario without costs to get a KW reading.

Pump runs for 4 hours / day every day. Lets forget the 1 hour per week to vacuum or the small amount of swimming during this cold period.
So
1500 x 4hr / 1000 = 6 Kw x 31 days = 186 kw....
My bill shown was 175KW all up for pumps, white goods in kitchen and the building works with a single phase welder for the 4 weeks.
This current bill is less than any calc we could do???
Why is it so???
I honestly think these pumps are very efficient and perhaps use inverter technology.

Now the reason for 2 pumps in an Infinity pool situation.
1 pump is the filter pump and runs automatically as per the timer. This pulls water from the surge tank through the filter, and back into the pool causing an overflow back to the surge tank.

Number 2 pump is independent piping and only runs when swimming. This is to keep the water level full to provide the aesthetics of the infinity look, the whole reason to have the system.
Yes as you say if it is not operated while swimming and the pool level lowers it will fill when the filter pump starts. That would be silly to have the water level keep dropping while in use, that is not the reason to have an infinity look pool. The surge tank is 12,000 ltrs.

The 2 pumps are the same as they came as a designed package.
The pool has been designed to a certain spec and the design would call for 2 pumps the same same because in any design a couple of the reasons when sizing pumps is to allow for the head height that the pump must raise the water plus the volume of water required to rotate through the system. You will see on the name plate that these pumps can individually move 29 cu mtrs per hour as per the pool design for the amount of water in the pool and surge tank.
Our pumps are in an underground designated pool pump room and must be able to pump quite a few meters up to the pool surface level. Our pumps are not at ground level.
No use having a smaller 2nd pump that would struggle to lift the water the required height.

Any one with explanations as to why these pumps pull less KW than the normal formulas are invited.

Post by **Barney** » April 22, 2017, 8:08 pm

Well the water festivals time is over and our subcontractor I am told has all guys back on duty.
So the next small project as mentioned a few posts back has started.
It will be a 20 meter long by 9 meter covered area which will house, 4 water tanks, 2 pumps, dog house (hopefully not me personally, to often), storage and tool shed and my girls covered herbal garden. Concrete is 6 meters out from fence so will have 3 meters of non concrete covered area for future plans. The roof will slope to the fence at the rear. Will most likely install a gutter to another 2 x 1000 ltr tanks we have spare for her garden.
First day the standard type 3 meter concrete poles installed and today the first section of roofing frame. Then the sheet roofing soon to provide some protection from the weather for the rest of the hard yakka works.

Just when my Project manager thought I was going to provide her some respite from work I send the money and off she goes again.

Post by **maaka** » April 23, 2017, 6:18 am

maybe you have a faulty meter at the gate, or a meter man who cannot read..

me I would go stand and stare at it with cell phone in hand, while you radio the missus to switch off and on certain items, pumps included, and see how fast the wheel thing inside the meter wizzers around.

Post by **Barney** » May 2, 2017, 2:44 pm

Looks like another slow day in Udon on UM so I will thrill you with some more updated photos of the 20mtr x 9 mtr shelter out the back.
Actually she went and procured the roofing sheets today deliverd tomorrow. Nearly 40,000 bht for the sheets and accessories. Roof capping and bolts etc. Same colour as house roof.
At the moment the precast poles are in and the frame inplace.
Lot of concrete to be placed after the roof installed.

Post by **Barney** » May 5, 2017, 3:21 pm

More edge of your seat excitement now with the roof sheeting done.
The subcontractor has done well so far and plodding along at a good pace in the heat.
180 sq mtr of under cover area for water tanks, storage and the dogs. Concrete to go next.
Darianage at the back along wall, guttering to fill 2 spare 1000 ltr tanks I have, to gravity feed the girls existing herbal garden and fruit trees to be planted.
Block walls and wire mesh gates etc.
Then power board for lights and power, 2 water pumps and a ceiling fan for the dogs when they come to roost from guard duty.

Post by **wazza** » May 6, 2017, 11:02 am

Barney

Solar panels on the roof to drive the pool pumps?

Or some roof piping to keep the pool water warm....

Post by **maaka** » May 7, 2017, 7:10 am

No offense, but copied your pics for my future cow shed build...
yes you could run that whole shed on solar

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