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Post by fatbob » August 25, 2013, 1:11 pm

kopkei wrote: by kopkei » August 24, 2013, 11:27 am

my pool is in no way costing 1.000.000 baht.. ,more around 220.000 baht all in.... (due to expensive tiles)
and chemicals,DE powder, chlorine, hydroclorid acid , soda ash, not more than 1.500 baht/year....make your own calculation...so to me and my privacy i get , it is worth it , but indeed it is up to everyone's preferences....
Your figures are total BS, if your gonna put an argument forward tell it honestly, 220 k all up, what is it 2 met by 2 met! Pump 25k, filter 25k, skimmer box or surge tank? skimmer box 8k, chlorinator 25k, lights 20k, piping 10k, electrical distribution board etc 15k, now for construction, excavation, rebar, formwork, concrete, tiles, adhesive and grout, M&E room and labour, chemical to balance pool on first fill, then every time it rains as it dilutes and go's out the overflow, more chemical. A small pool will use at least 1500 thb in electric per month, you have to turn the total volume of water over 2 1/2 times each day, they aint cheap.

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Post by Barney » August 25, 2013, 1:34 pm

Never hear anyone discuss the preformed fibreglass pools that became popular in australia some time back. they wold have to be cheaper.
There is a factory here in Khon kaen with the pools out on the road.

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Post by Alchai » August 25, 2013, 2:43 pm

Well thanks for all the inputs, there shure is a lot to consider befoere actually building a pool and as pointed out a few times I need to be really certain that I think the cost and the hassle is worth it. My garden is not big enough for a large pool like LilReds (really nice pool by the way) so if I decide to go ahead with this I would definatly be looking at DIY options and also as Barney mentioned composite pools. These must be less worries when it comes to the structial integrity I would think. Does anyone have any experience with composite pools? Also, only one posted a comment on putting a roof over the pool. I actually think it is a very smart idea but maybe I am missing something! :?
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Post by parrot » August 25, 2013, 3:18 pm

We have an abundant supply of 77 degree drinkable well water....and one very hot summer day many years ago, I got to thinking about how to take advantage of that. I bought the largest cement ring available.....a cover for the ring, a bag of cement, and a pvc faucet. Our gardener fixed up a nice shaded area with the cover on the ground, applied a layer of cement, and put the ring on top. He drilled in a outlet hole for the pvc valve, and touched up the area around the ground with a layer of cement.
The next day, late on a blazing afternoon, I filled up the ring with water and soaked. Ahhhhh....then let out the water. I filled it again in the evening and watched the stars with my wife. Ahhhhh.
No chemicals, no filters, no electricity (other than the well pump). Water in, water out. And I can easily hook a hose to the outlet valve and direct the water to the neediest plant in the vicinity.
As I recall, the total cost was around 600 baht.
I took this photo of a friend's two boys who were visiting and took advantage of the pool. They were wearing jungle masks for the photo. They didn't seem to mind the smallness of the pool or the lack of a diving board.
I love big swimming pools......but I lack the desire to put up with the headaches involved. The 'pool' still stands after 8 years. No cracks, no missing tiles, no headaches.
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Post by kopkei » August 25, 2013, 3:27 pm

coxo , no bs at all , my second pool , you must be pool installer?...
no chlorinator ,( no salt water) these things are expensive and do not last long...i use a floating chlorinator with 90% chlorine tablets..so no special expensive electrical box , just a timer in between ....( same my former pool)
some figures, haywarth super pump 1hp 16.000 baht, DE 2420 haywarth filter 28.000 baht ,big emaux skimmer bargain price 4.000 baht, no lights in the pool so also no bugs in the pool...no main drain , no use at all this , can pump the swim empty with a normal pump,( and in the former 10 year pool never had to drain the pool) excavation and all the concrete work ( 20cm wall and floor , 12mm rebar 2 layers, waterstop...enc..) around 65.000 baht ,work 35.000 baht , tiles 38.000 baht special price, work tiling 8.000 baht ,sandstone foot pad 8.400 baht,piping thai pipe 1,5 inch/13.5 only 6 pipes 1.020 baht ,some small pvc connections...,2 double union valves, 1 one way valve , take your calculator and count ...and weep?...a pool is not expensive to make , but some people seems to make it way more complicated than it has to be..( americans -australians ?) not meaning to insult any one... , same remark go's as of building a home..btw the pool is 6x4M... i have all my bills but i am not going into posting them, i am happy with the result....i will leave it at this...so believe it or not...and barney the fiber swims are bloody expensive...;)

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Post by kopkei » August 25, 2013, 3:45 pm

and for those whom want to know how to build a no nonsense pool , look here ( a friend of mine)
http://www.coolthaihouse.com/forum/view ... =19&t=3141
do not forget to look at the total price of this pool 10x 5M... ;)

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Post by Techland » August 25, 2013, 5:26 pm

There is one more thing that I never hear someone talking about. The pool is most fun when you suddenly need a quick cool-down and just jump in it...or in the morning to get awake and a clear head...using it just the second you want to use it. And here comes the problem, as we are in Thailand: I would never jump quickly into an open outside pool without first carefully examining nothing already takes a bath in it that would give big problems to me...like snakes...seriously LilRed, you just enjoy it whenever you like or have to do the examination first? That would personally already put me off, take away lots of the fun, really.

@ Coxo: that's something I heard from the guys from Pattaya as well. The water is not only cleaned, but also renewed constantly, adding significantly to the water costs. Is that a standard design/method, or can it be avoided with better filters?

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Post by kopkei » August 25, 2013, 5:45 pm

water can always be filtered , so if by circumstances your water is green like hell, the problem can be solved by filtering , cleaning filter many times until the water is clean again , that is why you have a filter , now water expensive ?
i have filled up the pool with city water (took about 24h), and same time 4 watertanks with a total of 6.800L and the bill was including usage home 1.500 baht....to expensive?(incase you want to change for any reason) and indeed in a tropical land as this you must look for uninvited guests...which mostly are frogs... :D ...after owning a pool never have had a snake or something else in the pool...i do not know what coxo means by all his expensive chemicals in the pool , when to many chemicals maybe more bad than the snake inside... :lol:

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Post by LilRed » August 25, 2013, 5:50 pm

KK:

Sjeng's pool is very nice. His cost per cu.m was 3,000 bht.


My cost 5,000 bht/cu.m (in '06). I have several cost items tho, that Sjeng did not opt for.

One, I highly recommend as worth the extra money, is the over the side returns. A nice safety feature.

Because I wanted a safe diving board meeting Western standards, I made my diving end 4 mtrs deep. The depth, necessitated, highly-early, cast in place, reinforced concrete walls, 12" thick. And, piles... throughout.

Sjeng's design is very functional, nice lookin and a great value for what he paid. Mine, a bit more, but, I opted for some more expensive options.

Mine's been good - 8 yrs on and no biggies...


I surely hope Sjeng's, and, my pools last another 25 yrs!


Techland:

Yes, I do have a quick look in da pool, prior to entry. As I do with all potentially hazardous, uh, entries here. The surge tank worries me more tho, it's dark and hard to see in...

I calculate the rainy season gives me a complete water replacement, at least twice/yr, and, so only add water during the dry season to replace evaporation. (95 sq mtrs surface area... Some times as much as 1,200 LITERS/day.


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Post by kopkei » August 25, 2013, 6:22 pm

of course lilred you have a bigger swim , than you need an over flow system, i think when you go bigger than 10x5m you can not use a skimmer anymore , but sometimes they do use more than 1 skimmer , but over flow is better...
also the cost price per M2 can change quickly depending what price class tiles you use , i have used tiles that cost 680/m2
10years ago i only payed 200/M2..... ;)

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Post by 747man » August 25, 2013, 6:28 pm

I've just tested the PH Balance and water clarity in mine......Perfect So just a little Chlorine Powder 1st time for a week & All is O.K.... :D

Bought 20 Kilos of Poolchlorine last week cost 3,000 Baht,Was I ripped off or not, I've dealt with the same pool guy for 6 years or so now, But this is the 1st time I've bought the powder from him, I used to use the Chlorine tablets fro Global House, But they've gotten very expensive recently..... :shock: :shock:

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Post by kopkei » August 25, 2013, 6:39 pm

i pay the 90% ( you also have 60% , but 90 better) tablets to put in the floating chlorinator 150baht/kilo,
i think the powder is around 100baht a kilo , i will let you know next week as i must go buy some tablets...
my water test is also mostly good , in some period of the year the ph easy go up , to solve with a little of hydrochloride acid , my soda ash in case to low PH i all ready have 10years , had to use it maybe 2 times... ;)

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Post by WhoUrDaddy » August 25, 2013, 6:42 pm

50 kilos / 5000 Thai brand... 6000 baht Jap brand

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Post by kopkei » August 25, 2013, 6:56 pm

you also have granulate which i use sometimes to quick fix a sudden chlorine drop...do not remember this price ,
80baht/kilo? , i do not need to use this so much , as i told before no need of a lot chemicals in my pool... ;)

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Post by Barney » August 25, 2013, 10:39 pm

Alchai wrote:Well thanks for all the inputs, there shure is a lot to consider befoere actually building a pool and as pointed out a few times I need to be really certain that I think the cost and the hassle is worth it. My garden is not big enough for a large pool like LilReds (really nice pool by the way) so if I decide to go ahead with this I would definatly be looking at DIY options and also as Barney mentioned composite pools. These must be less worries when it comes to the structial integrity I would think. Does anyone have any experience with composite pools? Also, only one posted a comment on putting a roof over the pool. I actually think it is a very smart idea but maybe I am missing something! :?
I cannot help with covers for pools other than to say that sails were popular long ago in australia and are now sold in hardware stores. Best way was to go down to the old yacht club and ask about old sails from members.

Also try a web site i have been checking out for house designs for when i eventually build next year in UT. You provide your email and they allow you in an send minimal updates. it is a public site for people to enter their own designs and ask questions. You can click on any section of a house interior or outside includiong pools and outdoor entertaining areas , landscaping etc. 1000's of photos to get ideas.
Other UM memebers will get some new and modern ideas maybe for thier houses.
www.houzz.com

Good luck

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