Poo-poo Make Prant Grow

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Re: Poo-poo Make Prant Grow

Post by stattointhailand » July 16, 2018, 7:13 pm

Funnily enough chickens eggs have been coming out of chickens ar*es for as long as chickens have been around. MOST humans realise where they come from (after several thousand years of learning) and will wash an egg before cracking it into the pan :-k



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Re: Poo-poo Make Prant Grow

Post by jimjay » July 16, 2018, 7:29 pm

All I know is it was a stroke of genius to spell it PRANT in the title. :D

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Re: Poo-poo Make Prant Grow

Post by parrot » July 16, 2018, 7:43 pm

I actually owned a copy of that book......never can forget the name.....but just a little bit:

"MOST humans realize where they come from (after several thousand years of learning) and will wash an egg before cracking it into the pan"
I can't ever recall seeing anyone wash an egg before using it....as a common practice. Certainly a few of the Thai eggs I've bought in the market.......might have a bit of crap on them and they'll get a hosing before I pluck them in the fridge. But if they're clean from the market, I use them without washing.

Although this thread is still young yet, it goes to show the variety of cleanliness practices in each country.
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Re: Poo-poo Make Prant Grow

Post by AlexO » July 16, 2018, 7:58 pm

stattointhailand wrote:
July 16, 2018, 7:13 pm
Funnily enough chickens eggs have been coming out of chickens ar*es for as long as chickens have been around. MOST humans realise where they come from (after several thousand years of learning) and will wash an egg before cracking it into the pan :-k
Considering its only been a few hundred years since it was believed to be bad for you to bathe more than once a month/year and bacteria was only recognised as a cause of disease a few decades ago your "several thousands of years of learning" is a wee bit OTT. From the Irish Food Safety Organisation.
What are the risks associated with not washing eggs?
Salmonella can survive for a long time in dried faeces on the outside of eggs. This presents two risks. Firstly, if eggs are stored incorrectly and condensation forms on the shell, the water may be sufficient to allow Salmonella to pass into the inside of the egg through the pores in the shell. This risk increases over the storage time, as the natural barriers of the egg start to break down with increasing age of the egg. Condensation on the outside of eggs also increases the chance that Salmonella on the shell may grow. Secondly, during handling and preparation of dirty eggs, direct hand-to-mouth contamination can occur, or other foods may be cross-contaminated from hands, dirty discarded shells, or during the action of cracking the egg.

So everyone from the packagers to the supermarket shelf stackers and checkout girls to the end user are at risk. Give me eggs from the USA anytime.
Incidentally when did the EU become most of the Western World.

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Re: Poo-poo Make Prant Grow

Post by parrot » July 16, 2018, 8:17 pm

"Give me eggs from the USA anytime."

That's my point! Eggs from the US http://time.com/money/5240830/more-than ... amination/

Romaine contamination https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to- ... 7260dcd0c0

Kellogg's!!!! https://www.shape.com/healthy-eating/di ... salmonella

All in the last few months. All in the US. And yet, the perception is (probably rightly so to a degree) that a US egg is better than a Thai egg.

Meanwhile, I'm left wondering why there aren't mass breakouts of the flu here.......when 99.++ restaurants don't wash their dishes in scalding hot water. My favorite noodle soup store for 20 years air dries their chopsticks in the sun. If someone is sneezing or hacking while I'm there, I might immerse my chopsticks in my still hot soup for an extra 10 seconds or so.........hardly a sanitizing wash though. And, yet..........

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Re: Poo-poo Make Prant Grow

Post by AlexO » July 16, 2018, 9:17 pm

Parrot
I agree with you, my main point was that someone was denigrating US food production practices as opposed to the dictatorship EU's. Washing chicken with ammonia??

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Re: Poo-poo Make Prant Grow

Post by stattointhailand » July 16, 2018, 10:45 pm

Alex, my point was not anti American, Anti Brit anti European or anyone else. It was just trying to say that we ALL add so many chemicals at every stage of food production now that the naturally produced enzymes in the product that protected our Ancestors have all been overpowered by chemicals that cause us even more problems than they solve. You only have to think back at how meat/veg/etc etc use to taste in our youth and compare it with what we are fed today to know that some serious changes have been made to our food. Even home grown produce tastes nothing like it did because scientists have chemically altered the seeds/bulbs before we get to plant them :evil: :evil:

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Re: Poo-poo Make Prant Grow

Post by sometimewoodworker » July 17, 2018, 11:25 am

AlexO wrote:
July 16, 2018, 6:55 pm
So the EU dictate that it is mandatory that people handle eggs that have come out of a chickens backside and been lying in poo for some hours before being packaged. No health warnings about the hazards allowed at all. When was the last time you seen eggs in Tesco covered in poo. Same as washing meat in ammonia.
You are thinking about the US when you talk about people handling eggs that have come out of a chickens backside and been lying in poo for some hours before being packaged because the US has no poultry welfare standards and due to the very low margins the chickens are kept in such a confined area the US chickens, and the eggs, are forced into very unhygienic conditions.

EU believes the food industry should be continually improving hygiene standards in all steps of processing. This is why acid washed meat (US pigs) chlorine washed chickens and requirements to wash and chemical sanitised eggs (to compensate for the unhygienic breeding and housing) isn't permitted in the EU

So because the chickens are not walking around on their own poo eggs have no need to be washed. Another factor is that if the grade A eggs are dirty people will not buy them so good hygiene is in the farmers interest.

Birds do not foul thier nests given enough space and correct treatment.
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Re: Poo-poo Make Prant Grow

Post by sometimewoodworker » July 17, 2018, 11:41 am

AlexO wrote:
July 16, 2018, 7:58 pm

What are the risks associated with not washing eggs?
Salmonella can survive for a long time in dried faeces on the outside of eggs.
The US requirements to wash eggs to stop contamination is working very well !!! :cry:
Last Updated Apr 16, 2018 9:50 AM EDT

RALEIGH, N.C. -- More than 200 million eggs distributed to restaurants and grocery stores in nine states have been recalled because of bacterial contamination. A notice posted on the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) website Friday said the eggs shipped from a North Carolina farm may be tainted with salmonella. The bacteria can cause nausea, diarrhea and, in rare cases, death. Twenty-two illnesses have been reported.
The UK had the same problems in the 1980’s. It doesn't have them now.
UK

Advice since the late 1980s has been that vulnerable groups should not consume raw or lightly cooked eggs – or dishes containing them, such as home-made mousses and mayonnaise.

This was because the eggs could contain salmonella bacteria, which can cause food poisoning leading, in the most serious cases of infection, to death.

“The measures they’ve taken, from vaccination of hens through to improving hygiene on farms and better transportation, have dramatically reduced salmonella levels in UK hens.”
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