parrot wrote:"Czech Republic Observer"

There seems to be no information to back that up.....other than a viral email that uses them as the source.

As I said, I only gathered after a google search myself the source might be the Czech Republic Observer. Regardless of the source, seems to be a well thought out synopsis on the current political divide.

No sh*t, what's the source have to with it...unless it goes against the rules for posting

You gotta love Al Gore. His defense of the POTUS debate debacle was, get this, the high altitude of Denver...It was the altitude. Yeah, that's it, the mile high Denver air made him do it...

I've nothing against the post with no quote, but a quote is a quote, and it'd be nice to attribute it to someone. If it's from Rush or Hannity, I have a special filing bin under my desk for their quotes.

Seems Myth Robme's supporters on this board are following the lead of their fuhrer -oops!- leader during the debates. Heck, just make tihs up.

Making tihs up during the debate is clearly what threw Obama off his game. He prepared to debate Myth's positions as stated and well documented during this campaign, but Myth chucked almost all that out the window and pandered to the audience of 50M based on what the polls are now saying is or is not popular. Zero integrity. Zero.

KHONDAHM wrote:Seems Myth Robme's supporters on this board are following the lead of their fuhrer -oops!- leader during the debates. Heck, just make tihs up.

Making tihs up during the debate is clearly what threw Obama off his game. He prepared to debate Myth's positions as stated and well documented during this campaign, but Myth chucked almost all that out the window and pandered to the audience of 50M based on what the polls are now saying is or is not popular. Zero integrity. Zero.

Typical for you as usual. When you cannot win the argument on merit you revert to name calling talking points blather....

KHONDAHM wrote:Seems Myth Robme's supporters on this board are following the lead of their fuhrer -oops!- leader during the debates. Heck, just make tihs up.

Making tihs up during the debate is clearly what threw Obama off his game. He prepared to debate Myth's positions as stated and well documented during this campaign, but Myth chucked almost all that out the window and pandered to the audience of 50M based on what the polls are now saying is or is not popular. Zero integrity. Zero.

Is there no limit to your excuses? Obama was finally put a situation where he had to rely on his wits and his record. Both failed him.

It was the AIR, Khondahm.... Your Messiah Lite, Al Gore said so

Since the first televised Presidential debate, there were 7 involving the incumbent (including current debate). All except ONE incumbent President (Dole v Clinton, 1996) lost the first debate to the challenger. Of those settled 6 Presidential races, 3 incumbents lost and 3 incumbents went on to win a 2nd term. So what does Obama's loss tell us about Robme's chances? Nothing.

Source:
"History favors the challenger in first debates" segment
Rachel Maddow Show aired Oct. 4, 2012 on MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#49296606

Oh no, Clint was right!

Maybe the Clint speech was planned all along! I have to admit, the New Yorker cover paints an accurate picture.
On the positive side, unemployment rate dropped below 8% and I suspect that'll have more of an impact than the debate.

gudtymchuk wrote:Oh no, Clint was right!

haha great magazine cover!

parrot wrote:Maybe the Clint speech was planned all along! I have to admit, the New Yorker cover paints an accurate picture.
On the positive side, unemployment rate dropped below 8% and I suspect that'll have more of an impact than the debate.

Obama decided to add state government jobs to his unemployment numbers. The issue is private sector jobs. Public sector jobs just take more tax revenue to fund and take more money out of the private sector. Even MSNBC and CNN questioned these numbers. Not many are fooled by this cooking of the books.

The real number of those whose benefits have run out and quit looking and those UNDERemployed is closer to 14%.

Let's see: The birth certificate is cooked. The polls are cooked. The media is cooked. The jobs numbers are cooked. We never landed on the moon. There's a second Kennedy killer out there somewhere. Surely Valerie Jarrett is about to have Obama's baby. Osama bin laden is still alive.

Meanwhile, car sales are up. Reports released yesterday on housing and manufacturing also beat forecasters’ expectations. GM reportedly $9.19 billion last year, the largest profit in its 103-year history. The company also has regained its position as the world’s top-selling automaker. Christine Lagarde, managing director of the International Monetary Fund, says the US economy is improving. Men's underwear sales are up. Housing prices are beginning to rebound. The stock market is at a 5year high.
I'm sure all the improving agencies are in cahoots with the government.

parrot wrote:Maybe the Clint speech was planned all along! I have to admit, the New Yorker cover paints an accurate picture.
On the positive side, unemployment rate dropped below 8% and I suspect that'll have more of an impact than the debate.

Without a doubt the unemployment figures will carry more weight than the debate. Of course, now the Republicants are crying foul and saying 'the books are cooked'. The Republicants didn't have a problem trusting the numbers when they were using them to hammer the Dumbocrats; now that unemployment is down the numbers can't be trusted according to the Republicants. This is why I left the Republican Party many years ago. Both parties lie; but the Republicants take the lies and twisting of the truth to such heights as to insult the intelligence.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The big drop in the unemployment rate a month before the presidential election brought cries of disbelief and conspiracy theories from Jack Welch and other critics of the Obama administration Friday. But the Labor Department was quick to dismiss such claims.

"Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can't debate so change numbers," tweeted Welch, the former CEO of General Electric (GE, Fortune 500).

Welch did not respond to a request for further comment. In an interview later in the day on MSNBC, he admitted that he had no evidence that the jobs numbers were manipulated, but said they "defy logic."

LDB - gee Jack.....the Americans lost the Ryder Cup after being ahead 10-6; this also "defies logic". I guess the Americans golfers must have bet against themselves after the second day (when the odds were juicy) and started missing putts on purpose on the last day. (Note to right-wingers, every anomaly IS NOT a conspiracy.)

The unemployment rate fell to 7.8% in September, down from 8.1% a month earlier. The drop was due to the Bureau of Labor Statistics' survey of households showing that 873,000 more people had jobs than in the previous month. That was the biggest one-month gain in more than nine years.

Labor Secretary Hilda Solis criticized the conspiracy theories Friday.

"This is a methodology that's been used for decades. And it is insulting when you hear people just cavalierly say that somehow we're manipulating numbers," Solis told CNN's Richard Quest.

I (LDB) just caught a piece on the TV where they interviewed someone high-up in the Bureau of Labor Statistics (can't recall the guys name, sorry). Anyway, he basically said it would take a conspiricy of some 2,000 government employees to 'fiddle with the numbers'. I suspect the Republicants will quickly drop these comments once they realize how big the foot is they have inserted in the mouth.

BTW, in 2010 GE reported worldwide profits of $14.2 billion, and said $5.1 billion of the total came from its operations in the United States. Its American tax bill? None. In fact, G.E. claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion.

That may be hard to fathom for the millions of American business owners and households now preparing their own returns, but low taxes are nothing new for G.E. The company has been cutting the percentage of its American profits paid to the Internal Revenue Service for years, resulting in a far lower rate than most multinational companies.
Its extraordinary success is based on an aggressive strategy that mixes fierce lobbying for tax breaks and innovative accounting that enables it to concentrate its profits offshore.

hmmmm.........offshore accounts..........now which Presidential candidate does this fit?

LDB - still waiting for Romney to release the past 20 years of tax returns as Obama has. Are you hiding something Mitt?

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Bureau Of Labor Statistics: "Total Private Employment Rose By 104,000" In September. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported: "In September, total private employment rose by 104,000, bringing the year-to-date gain to 1.3 million." [Bureau of Labor Statistics, 10/5/12]

By Contrast, The Public Sector Expanded By Only 10,000 New Jobs. According to the most recent Bureau of Labor Statistics data, the public sector expanded by 10,000 jobs in the last month. According to the St. Louis Federal Reserve, 4,000 of these jobs were in the federal government. Public sector job growth accounts for a little more than 9 percent of job growth over the last month. [Bureau of Labor Statistics, 10/5/12, St. Louis Federal Reserve, accessed 10/5/12]

parrot wrote:Let's see: The birth certificate is cooked. The polls are cooked. The media is cooked. The jobs numbers are cooked. We never landed on the moon. There's a second Kennedy killer out there somewhere. Surely Valerie Jarrett is about to have Obama's baby. Osama bin laden is still alive.

Meanwhile, car sales are up. Reports released yesterday on housing and manufacturing also beat forecasters’ expectations. GM reportedly $9.19 billion last year, the largest profit in its 103-year history. The company also has regained its position as the world’s top-selling automaker. Christine Lagarde, managing director of the International Monetary Fund, says the US economy is improving. Men's underwear sales are up. Housing prices are beginning to rebound. The stock market is at a 5year high.
I'm sure all the improving agencies are in cahoots with the government.

Strawman arguments, Parrot. No one mentioned any of this. You were talking about employment. Now you shift the argument to something else. Always bobbing and weaving.

That said, none of your stats (if true because there are no sources ... ) matters to 23 million Americans who are unemployed. Those with jobs and income are facing gas prices that are doubled since January 2009 and inflation has rocked food prices and household budgets. All of those nice little statistics, if true, aren't helping average Americans.

In addition ALL Americans face the highest tax increases in American history on January 1, 2013. That is not providing much incentive to do anything other than batten down the hatches.

The capitalist system always has and will run in cycles, boom and bust, high's and trough's, its been in a trough for so long now of course it is about to rebound and the government of the day probably makes little difference to this. Great time to buy a house or shares on a down market.

coxo wrote:The capitalist system always has and will run in cycles, boom and bust, high's and trough's, its been in a trough for so long now of course it is about to rebound and the government of the day probably makes little difference to this. Great time to buy a house or shares on a down market.

You're correct about the cycles. We agree.

However, the government of the day DOES matter. Over-regulation and high taxes and bigger government takes motivation, incentives for growth and revenue out of the private sector and stagnates an economy.

It could be that the non partisan voters will simply think that a lame duck Obama with no re-election concerns is riskier than just bringing in a new one who might be better restrained for the 1st four years. Then, boot him out in 2016....rinse and repeat. I don't really worry about Romney's tax returns. I already know he's filthy rich and I'm pretty sure Team O has had the IRS scour Romney's returns for the last 40 years looking for something so I doubt there's anything else there.

Nattaya2009 wrote:It could be that the non partisan voters will simply think that a lame duck Obama with no re-election concerns is riskier than just bringing in a new one who might be better restrained for the 1st four years. Then, boot him out in 2016....rinse and repeat. I don't really worry about Romney's tax returns. I already know he's filthy rich and I'm pretty sure Team O has had the IRS scour Romney's returns for the last 40 years looking for something so I doubt there's anything else there.

Agree.

Someone else's wealth has never determined my opportunities to attain any wealth or assets.

I often wonder why these same whiners about Romney's money weren't wringing their hands over John Kerry in 2004. Kerry has considerably more wealth that Romney, and maybe as much as five to ten times more. Answer? Partisanship.