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Re: Red Brick

Post by JohnG » May 24, 2017, 6:05 pm

Hoopoe wrote:Good quality , and you'd know this because??
Because of the density of the brick. Obviously there are good and bad ones, some are better than others, etc, but I've only seen good ones. Maybe I've been lucky.
Hoopoe wrote: "not sure why you'd paint the brick's" it's called protection , as why would you bother painting a rendered wall , <AS stated they are air dried not fired


Far from the same thing. A rendered wall is designed to be painted, both for "protection" and looks. Decorative exposed brickwork, isn't and shouldn't need it as long as the bricks are good quality.
Hoopoe wrote:,"flexibility ," ha here we go again any sane person would render the inside , so that point is out the window,


Hardly. A lot of people want a 'feature' wall inside. Outside, unless you want a big "scar" down your attractive exposed brick wall, you lack the flexibility to cut for conduit, water pipes if necessary, etc. I'm simply out that you have to make a choice and need to consider more than just initial looks.

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Hoopoe wrote: you have to drill these blocks to hang anything on the wall, Thermal block, glue anyone ,


You can also drill thermal blocks, if necessary, as long as you use the right fixtures and obviously you need to consider weight issues more carefully. Again, it's a choice.
Hoopoe wrote:Then theres the cost of having to render the outside , so when you look at all the cost's ,there's not a lot of difference ,
I'd suggest it's a little more complicated than that, as you have to factor in long term insulation / thermal properties, as well as the cost of specialist labour ('traditional' small red brick vs thermal vs 'lego', plus any combination for cavity walls, etc.

Just mentioning a few points to consider - it's not a big deal.,

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Re: Red Brick

Post by Hoopoe » May 24, 2017, 10:34 pm

OH god your so full of **** as everyone says

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Re: Red Brick

Post by Nigglyb » May 25, 2017, 2:40 am

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Re: Red Brick

Post by Jello » May 25, 2017, 12:00 pm

JohnG wrote: You can also drill thermal blocks, if necessary, as long as you use the right fixtures and obviously you need to consider weight issues more carefully. Again, it's a choice.
I understand that you cant hang heavy items such as kitchen cabinets or a flat screen TV on a thermal block wall. But what about hanging some small bookshelves? Would the plastic plugs you drive a screw in be sufficient or is there a better fixture for this?

Hoopoe mentioned glue. Please explain. Do you mean drill a hole and glue the plastic plug in before putting in the screw? And what type of glue would be best for this?

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Re: Red Brick

Post by sometimewoodworker » May 25, 2017, 7:01 pm

Jello wrote:
JohnG wrote: You can also drill thermal blocks, if necessary, as long as you use the right fixtures and obviously you need to consider weight issues more carefully. Again, it's a choice.
I understand that you cant hang heavy items such as kitchen cabinets or a flat screen TV on a thermal block wall. But what about hanging some small bookshelves? Would the plastic plugs you drive a screw in be sufficient or is there a better fixture for this?
I'm not sure where you got the idea that you can't hang heavy items on a "thermal block wall" assuming that you mean an AAC block wall.

You just have to understand that AAC blocks are relatively soft so you need to use more attachment points and longer screws and plugs. If you do that you can hang the heaviest cabinet you like.

If your flatscreen TV has a small plate that you attach to the wall, then you will have to find a way to make it larger so you can spread the weight over a bigger area.
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Re: Red Brick

Post by Jello » May 26, 2017, 9:03 am

sometimewoodworker wrote: I'm not sure where you got the idea that you can't hang heavy items on a "thermal block wall" assuming that you mean an AAC block wall.

You just have to understand that AAC blocks are relatively soft so you need to use more attachment points and longer screws and plugs. If you do that you can hang the heaviest cabinet you like.

If your flatscreen TV has a small plate that you attach to the wall, then you will have to find a way to make it larger so you can spread the weight over a bigger area.
Thanks for your answer. Makes sense, just use more/longer screws.
Got the idea that AAC blocks are too soft to hang things on from my builder when discussing what types of blocks or bricks to use.

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Re: Red Brick

Post by sometimewoodworker » May 26, 2017, 3:06 pm

Jello wrote:
sometimewoodworker wrote: I'm not sure where you got the idea that you can't hang heavy items on a "thermal block wall" assuming that you mean an AAC block wall.

You just have to understand that AAC blocks are relatively soft so you need to use more attachment points and longer screws and plugs. If you do that you can hang the heaviest cabinet you like.

If your flatscreen TV has a small plate that you attach to the wall, then you will have to find a way to make it larger so you can spread the weight over a bigger area.
Thanks for your answer. Makes sense, just use more/longer screws.
Got the idea that AAC blocks are too soft to hang things on from my builder when discussing what types of blocks or bricks to use.
That's right, but you need longer wall plugs or two of the normal ones.
Most probably your builder doesn't knows the kinds of fasteners suitable for AAC blocks, used the wrong fasteners in a project that then failed. So he blamed the blocks as if he admitted that he was wrong he would loose face, and we all know that Thai workers do not get things wrong. :^o :roll:

FWIW long plasterboard screws are good to hold pipe brackets onto AAC blocks, they just screw in directly with no plugs or pilot hole.
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Re: Red Brick

Post by Geoffrey » May 28, 2017, 6:16 pm

A major source of fired clay bricks in Thailand is in Aung Thong near Ayuthaya. Here's a little clip from the net:
"Ang Thong Brick
Is a high quality household industry for domestic sales. Most people use this kind of brick to decorate external parts of the buildings and houses. Those who are interested can buy the bricks directly from the factory. There are more than 42 factories in Amphoe Pa Mok along Highway No. 3501 Km 1-9 and Highway No. 309 Km 43-47."

For Interlocking Compressed Earth Blocks you might try the Center behind Saint Joseph's Church at km 485 on the Udon- Nong Khai highway. They compression test their blocks to 2MPa.
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Re: Red Brick

Post by Hoopoe » May 31, 2017, 6:39 am

Marcosteffano wrote:
Hoopoe wrote:I used to manufacture the red lego type brick , ,there are some good retailers out there , but the block mix depending on quality of the red soil should be no more than 6 to one , there are some manufacturers for the sake of profit doing 8 and even 9 to one , there is a basic test you can do ,weigh the block then immerse in water for 24 hours then weigh again if the block increases by more than 10% ,it's no good , i'm guessing at the figures but wont be far off , i have the numbers somewhere , i built a shop out of these (just to prove the Thai's wrong ) without using concrete post ,that was 7 years ago , it still looks like it's just been built ,
Just out of curiosity did you bond them together and if so how.i see bb villa have some units built with them but didn't look at how they were constructed.also do they make them with a plain flat end face (the header) the same as the long face (the stretcher) I ask this as because of the corners not looking so nice.
Marcosteffano , i was on Kumphawapi train station 3am , and they are making a little feature garden, wall with the red block plain flat end , I know there are a couple of places near there making the blocks ,so maybe worth a look ,as for bonding , i first set 3 layers then with a fluid type cement filled them vertically , don't tamp down to hard as the pressure will crack the blocks , half fill the top block & start the next 3 layers ,

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Re: Red Brick

Post by JohnG » June 30, 2017, 11:48 pm

As has been mentioned by others, and as I said, you CAN hang TVs, cupboards, etc on thermal blocks - its just a question of using the correct fittings, and that doesn't just mean longer screws.

Edit: these fittings are widely available from HomePro, Global, etc. They look similar to standard rawlplugs / plasplugs but expand far more. Don't be tempted just to use longer / bigger / more standard screws / plugs - it's very false economy.

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Re: Red Brick

Post by Alanthebuilder » November 29, 2018, 4:37 am

Jello wrote:Where can I buy quality red brick for building a exposed brick wall?
I've seen some nice bricks in Auttaya they make lots of clay pots and things in that City .

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Re: Red Brick

Post by Hoopoe » November 29, 2018, 8:22 am

There's a place close to the traffic lights for the turn to Kumphawapi off highway 2 ,coming from Udon go straight through the lights , about 150 meters on the left , these are the pasann blocks a bit like a lego brick ,his quality has vastly improved over the years ,,i have the facts for testing ,as i used to manufacture them myself ,(i no longer make due to health reasons , owd and knackered , )

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Re: Red Brick

Post by saint » November 29, 2018, 8:58 am

To me the beauty of a brick wall is the morter work , with the different pointing used . Also the different bonds used to create something out of the ordinary .
Something you cannot achieve with the Lego blocks .

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Re: Red Brick

Post by Alanthebuilder » November 30, 2018, 4:52 am

Normally the Lego type of block are made from pressed soil with a little cement .
These blocks are cool but can weather.

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