Prohibited work by foreigners in Thailand

Post by **mortiboy** » March 16, 2009, 9:25 pm

OH! Thats ok then!

Post by **pompui** » July 17, 2009, 10:30 am

Frankie 1 wrote:To stay on topic,
There is a very long list of which jobs I am not allowed to do, but maybe it would be nice to know which jobs are allowed for foreigners.
Does anybody know which jobs are possible to do?
I 've heard that there are a lot of farang tourguides working without a workpermit, but are allowed to work as long as there is also a Thai tourguide working together with them.

Is English teacher the only option? Do you have to be a native speaker?
(When I read some articles from native English people, I think my grammar is better, ha ha.)

And do people from Laos have more privileges, working in Thailand? They are foreigners too.

Just looking back at this thread and did not see if Frankie got an answer as would be interested also if any member has an insight.
Now back to illegally mowing my lawn next week, hopefully if and when the rain stops

Post by **BKKSTAN** » July 17, 2009, 10:39 am

I don't think mowing your lawn or doing work around your house would be termed illegal,if you got to court,but in some areas,at different times,depending on the individuals authority figures,it could be a hassle or a way to extort money.I know of some experiences in Bangkok over 6 years ago,but I have not heard of any such experiences in our area!
It seems to me that the authorities in our area turn a blind eye to the work permit situation or possibly the locals are not reporting ''offenses''!

Post by **BobHelm** » July 17, 2009, 10:43 am

I believe that normally you have to be a native English speaker in order to qualify for that job. However I would be unsure what the situation would be with a private school - especially if it was actually an International school. I would suspect that if they had good enough contacts to obtain a work permit then they could obtain for anybody.
I would think that most foreigners who work in Thailand (after English teachers) probably own & run their own business.
I have never heard of the tour guide thing.... to work without a work permit is illegal (whichever way you look at it)& would undoubtedly open a person up to prosecution at any time. I would suspect that the farang tour guide is actually a "non paying guest" on the trip who good heartedly helps out (out of the kindness of his nature) if any of the paying guests asks him a question rather than actually "working"

Post by **Khun Paul** » July 17, 2009, 12:04 pm

Work permits are the key to any employment here in Thailand and then you have to make sure your work permit allows you to work where you are.
Many schools who obtain work permits for teachers the work permit stipulates the location of the work.

Working around your house, is not normally considered work per se, however some uppitty Thais could if they wished cause a problem but since I have been here no-one has mentioned anything to me about my gardening, DIY or other normal things I do around the house.

Post by **747man** » July 18, 2009, 10:52 am

I Don't have a work permit,And up to now DON'T seem to have any problems Vacuuming my pool.inbetween Suntanning sessions of course,When will these Blo*dy clouds & Rain "GO AWAY

Post by **Khun Paul** » July 18, 2009, 2:58 pm

I do really think and after talking to my accountant, she thinks the same as I do,
not many Thais object to anyone working on their own property, but there is a listed of restricted jobs, in which you ar any compoany must employ a Thai national if hummanly possible, there sre some jobs which are restricted which by there very nature would be difficult to employ a Thai with the right quals, they are not the normal run of the mill jobs however.
Although i jhave a work permit, I must still employ a Thai to do something I could do, I sytill only own 49% of the company but judiciously by legal means retain control .
The job restriction is meant to ensure Thais can get jobs it is also meant to ensure farangs do not come in and take over a job a Thai can do, however so much better that farang may do the job.
farangs definition is that anyone who ain't a Thai in this context of the employment market, as a side issue, as an employer, i find I have to abide to the law regarding wages etc: which i find very annoying as Thai national seem to snub that aspect of the law.
However I cannot complain, but I have made my feelings felt in the corridors of power sa it were.

Post by **Roy** » July 18, 2009, 3:12 pm

I have made my feelings felt in the corridors of power sa it were.

Was that before or after you had brunch with Bono, Obama and the Dalia Lama?

Post by **Khun Paul** » July 19, 2009, 8:00 am

Droll oh so very droll..................
actually i spoke to the deputy head of the local Tax office , who in private did not disagree with me.
We have to be seen to be doing all the right things.

Post by **Aardvark** » July 20, 2009, 12:06 pm

At the end of the day it would be easier to print a list of the Work a falang can do

Post by **Khun Paul** » July 20, 2009, 4:11 pm

yes it would be, however I am tolfd that there is a lsit of restricted jobs, ie those that we cannot do, same thing, I think, but I don't have the list and to be honest i do not know where to get it, but those that wish to know i could find out....bit irksome, but i will.

Post by **jackspratt** » July 20, 2009, 4:19 pm

Paul just make some enquiries in the well trod corridors of power you refer to above.

Post by **BKKSTAN** » July 20, 2009, 4:33 pm

Aardvark wrote:At the end of the day it would be easier to print a list of the Work a falang can do

That would great and clear for the falang,but the system is not designed to serve the falang,just the Thai !
Imagine the loss of face that could happen if an authority person made a ruling,then a falang showed him /her/it that they were wrong,never mind the extra income that they might not be able to extort!

Of course if the Thai gov't was to make a list,I am sure it would be made irrelevant with the last listing being something like ''The officer will have the final say''

Post by **papaguido** » July 20, 2009, 6:57 pm

Khun Paul wrote:yes it would be, however I am tolfd that there is a lsit of restricted jobs, ie those that we cannot do, same thing, I think, but I don't have the list and to be honest i do not know where to get it, but those that wish to know i could find out....bit irksome, but i will.

Here it is:

Prohibited occupations The Act sets out a list of occupations that are prohibited to foreigners:
1. Labouring work
2. Work in agriculture, animal husbandry, forestry or fisheries excluding specialized work in each particular branch or farm supervision
3. Bricklaying, carpentry or other construction work
4. Wood carving
5. Driving mechanically propelled vehicles or driving non-mechanically-propelled vehicles, excluding piloting of international aircraft
6. Shop assistant
7. Auctioneer
8. Supervising, auditing or giving service in accountancy excluding occasional internal auditing
9. Cutting or polishing jewelry
10. Haircutting, hairdressing or beauty treatment
11. Cloth weaving by hand
12. Weaving of mats or making products from reeds, rattan, hemp, straw or bamboo
13. Making of rice paper by hand
14. Lacquerware making
15. Making of Thai musical instruments
16. Nielloware making
17. Making of products from gold, silver or gold-copper alloy
18. Bronzeware making
19. Making of Thai dolls
20. Making of mattresses or quilt blankets
21. Alms bowl casting
22. Making of silk products by hand
23. Casting of Buddha images
24. Knife making
25. Making of paper or cloth umbrellas
26. Shoemaking
27. Hat making
28. Brokerage or agency, excluding brokerage or agency in international trade
29. Engineering work in civil engineering concerning design and calculation, organization, research, planning, testing, construction supervision or advice, excluding specialized work
30. Architectural work concerning design, drawing of plans, estimating, construction supervision or advice
31. Garment making
32. Making pottery or ceramics
33. Cigarette making by hand
34. Tour guide or conducting sightseeing tours
35. Street vending
36. Typesetting of Thai characters by hand
37. Drawing and twisting silk-thread by hand
38. Office or secretarial work
39. Legal or litigation services

http://www.bia.co.th/023.html

Post by **Kevro** » July 20, 2009, 7:28 pm

papaguido wrote:
Khun Paul wrote:yes it would be, however I am tolfd that there is a lsit of restricted jobs, ie those that we cannot do, same thing, I think, but I don't have the list and to be honest i do not know where to get it, but those that wish to know i could find out....bit irksome, but i will.
Here it is:

Prohibited occupations The Act sets out a list of occupations that are prohibited to foreigners:
1. Labouring work
2. Work in agriculture, animal husbandry, forestry or fisheries excluding specialized work in each particular branch or farm supervision
3. Bricklaying, carpentry or other construction work
4. Wood carving
5. Driving mechanically propelled vehicles or driving non-mechanically-propelled vehicles, excluding piloting of international aircraft
6. Shop assistant
7. Auctioneer
8. Supervising, auditing or giving service in accountancy excluding occasional internal auditing
9. Cutting or polishing jewelry
10. Haircutting, hairdressing or beauty treatment
11. Cloth weaving by hand
12. Weaving of mats or making products from reeds, rattan, hemp, straw or bamboo
13. Making of rice paper by hand
14. Lacquerware making
15. Making of Thai musical instruments
16. Nielloware making
17. Making of products from gold, silver or gold-copper alloy
18. Bronzeware making
19. Making of Thai dolls
20. Making of mattresses or quilt blankets
21. Alms bowl casting
22. Making of silk products by hand
23. Casting of Buddha images
24. Knife making
25. Making of paper or cloth umbrellas
26. Shoemaking
27. Hat making
28. Brokerage or agency, excluding brokerage or agency in international trade
29. Engineering work in civil engineering concerning design and calculation, organization, research, planning, testing, construction supervision or advice, excluding specialized work
30. Architectural work concerning design, drawing of plans, estimating, construction supervision or advice
31. Garment making
32. Making pottery or ceramics
33. Cigarette making by hand
34. Tour guide or conducting sightseeing tours
35. Street vending
36. Typesetting of Thai characters by hand
37. Drawing and twisting silk-thread by hand
38. Office or secretarial work
39. Legal or litigation services
http://www.bia.co.th/023.html

Thank god they said labour working, will bring that to the attention of the missus. She reckons because she does'nt pay me its ok but I will have to refer her to the Geneva Convention regards slave labour.,

Post by **BKKSTAN** » July 20, 2009, 7:42 pm

Those are absolutely prohibited!The first 6 and 28,29,30,34 and 38 are the ones that can be applied and interpreted against a falang if a Thai authority person wants to interpret it in a manner that could cause problems.
Volunteering is also against the law for this list!

Post by **Rod & May** » July 20, 2009, 9:46 pm

Interesting list .........but is this for hire or reward....... or just doing the act....... which would make getting out of bed a bit risky !!!!

Post by **Rod & May** » July 20, 2009, 9:54 pm

............ as you were........ just read the link......... paid or unpaid !!

Post by **saint** » July 21, 2009, 7:14 am

anyone notice no 5 ? it would appear we are not allowed to drive , yet they give us a driving license !!!! great news for val though , tying your own shoe laces is not illigal , but making your own shoes is

. also looks like im going to have to teach the wife how to skin up , as making your own ciggies is illigal .

Post by **Frankie 1** » July 21, 2009, 7:51 am

BKKSTAN wrote:I don't think mowing your lawn or doing work around your house would be termed illegal

You are not allowed to own land, so then it is not your lawn. They could say that you are doing agricultural work for the owner of the property, which is illegal.

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