semperfiguy wrote: ↑

April 8, 2018, 3:59 pm

mortsyn wrote: ↑

April 8, 2018, 11:49 am

DuiDui49 wrote: ↑

April 4, 2018, 12:34 pm

Mr.Mortsyn/Nystrom..i can't see the infolink you posted here anymore.Please reup or PM the link /info.

Thank you for reading...have a healthy day

Mortsyn, since you seem to be so familiar with this program, I think it only fair to ask how you came to know about it and if you are in any way associated with the program as more than just an interested person. I have lived in Udon for 8 years and stay tuned into most all the expat forums in Thailand, yet I have never heard of it before. If there was such a huge push to get the program started, and this was predicated upon getting at least two thousand members, it would seem to me that they would be exposing themselves to every possible means of advertising media. I have perused the internet and can't seem to find any mention of SAMS or Thailand Federation of Swedish Associations. No one seems to be able to reassure us that this is all above board and legitimate. If they really want it to succeed, why is it surrounded by such a thick cloud of suspicion? This BIB should be doing more to inspire us to have confidence in them. Besides, any company with the initials BIB, which we all understand is the abbreviation for the Boys in Brown, (the coppers), throws up a red flag immediately!

SAMS (Thailand Federation of Swedish Associations) started the work more than two years ago and consists of representatives from a handfull of swedish associations in Thailand. One of them is Svenskar i Udon (Swedes in Udon) which I represents. The main objective for SAMS is to convince the swedish government to extend the health protection for swedish taxpayers outside EU. We have a Facebook group ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/9656444 ... =bookmarks ), a Facebook page ( https://www.facebook.com/Ja-till-sjukv% ... 736935815/ ), and a petition ( https://www.skrivunder.com/ja_till_sjuk ... i_thailand ). The work to convince swedish goverment to implement paid health care outside EU is a several year project. In March some of us from SAMS met in Phuket together with the director of BIB to discuss a temporary solution, for example try to get the Health Card for Foreigners to be reactivated. The meeting resulted in a suggestion to create some kind of group health insurance. BIB made a proposal that I have helped publishing in various groups and forums to collect names of people who would be interested. We have got many more names than expected in first week.
Many many people have been very positive to this initiative and as usual a few negative ones that try to create a thick cloud of suspicion. Mostly because they have been to lazy to read the published information (for example read what BIB stands for) before the expressed their strong view as the many the bar-stool advocates on Facebook and Forums.

Sven Arne Hedell will give information at the next Udon Expat Club meeting late April, 2018.

Within the next few weeks information will be available about the final product in several languages (French, German, English, Swedish, and hopefully Japanese and Russian).

mortsyn wrote: ↑

April 9, 2018, 1:27 pm

semperfiguy wrote: ↑

April 8, 2018, 3:59 pm

mortsyn wrote: ↑

April 8, 2018, 11:49 am

DuiDui49 wrote: ↑

April 4, 2018, 12:34 pm

Mr.Mortsyn/Nystrom..i can't see the infolink you posted here anymore.Please reup or PM the link /info.

Thank you for reading...have a healthy day

Mortsyn, since you seem to be so familiar with this program, I think it only fair to ask how you came to know about it and if you are in any way associated with the program as more than just an interested person. I have lived in Udon for 8 years and stay tuned into most all the expat forums in Thailand, yet I have never heard of it before. If there was such a huge push to get the program started, and this was predicated upon getting at least two thousand members, it would seem to me that they would be exposing themselves to every possible means of advertising media. I have perused the internet and can't seem to find any mention of SAMS or Thailand Federation of Swedish Associations. No one seems to be able to reassure us that this is all above board and legitimate. If they really want it to succeed, why is it surrounded by such a thick cloud of suspicion? This BIB should be doing more to inspire us to have confidence in them. Besides, any company with the initials BIB, which we all understand is the abbreviation for the Boys in Brown, (the coppers), throws up a red flag immediately!

SAMS (Thailand Federation of Swedish Associations) started the work more than two years ago and consists of representatives from a handfull of swedish associations in Thailand. One of them is Svenskar i Udon (Swedes in Udon) which I represents. The main objective for SAMS is to convince the swedish government to extend the health protection for swedish taxpayers outside EU. We have a Facebook group ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/9656444 ... =bookmarks ), a Facebook page ( https://www.facebook.com/Ja-till-sjukv% ... 736935815/ ), and a petition ( https://www.skrivunder.com/ja_till_sjuk ... i_thailand ). The work to convince swedish goverment to implement paid health care outside EU is a several year project. In March some of us from SAMS met in Phuket together with the director of BIB to discuss a temporary solution, for example try to get the Health Card for Foreigners to be reactivated. The meeting resulted in a suggestion to create some kind of group health insurance. BIB made a proposal that I have helped publishing in various groups and forums to collect names of people who would be interested. We have got many more names than expected in first week.
Many many people have been very positive to this initiative and as usual a few negative ones that try to create a thick cloud of suspicion. Mostly because they have been to lazy to read the published information (for example read what BIB stands for) before the expressed their strong view as the many the bar-stool advocates on Facebook and Forums.

Sven Arne Hedell will give information at the next Udon Expat Club meeting late April, 2018.

Within the next few weeks information will be available about the final product in several languages (French, German, English, Swedish, and hopefully Japanese and Russian).

That's more like it Mortsyn! Had you presented your case like this in the very beginning of this thread then I think you could have avoided all the speculation and negative press that you have gotten here. I hope it all pans out and I look forward to hearing the presentation at the next Udon Expat Club meeting.

thighlander wrote: ↑

April 9, 2018, 12:41 pm

Website is from Provo, UT. That is a red flag. Utah is a big hub for white collar ripoffs.

thighlander wrote: ↑

April 9, 2018, 5:04 pm

Scamadvisor says it is red flag worthy, but they dont say it is an outright scam. It still lacks transparency. One thing for sure, there is a group of Mormons gone bad from Utah, that have been heavily involved in various scams here, which is even more need for transparency. I also mentioned how the sponsor from the "other site" was using "affordable health insurance" as a way to get a list of sheep for the boiler rooms. And if you read the details, HCC and IMG both offer something very similar, with much higher limits for a similar amount of money. It does go up with age, though...but at 500K limit (THB compared to 500K to 1000000 USD with the others mentioned) is really lacking substance. An American can buy Tokio Marine Travel Medical for 364 days at a time, even if they have been here 20 years. Accident and acute illness, term life and repatriation....no cancer, no knee replacements...

I dont do business in Florida, either....

semperfiguy wrote: ↑

April 9, 2018, 5:28 pm

thighlander wrote: ↑

April 9, 2018, 5:04 pm

Scamadvisor says it is red flag worthy, but they dont say it is an outright scam. It still lacks transparency. One thing for sure, there is a group of Mormons gone bad from Utah, that have been heavily involved in various scams here, which is even more need for transparency. I also mentioned how the sponsor from the "other site" was using "affordable health insurance" as a way to get a list of sheep for the boiler rooms. And if you read the details, HCC and IMG both offer something very similar, with much higher limits for a similar amount of money. It does go up with age, though...but at 500K limit (THB compared to 500K to 1000000 USD with the others mentioned) is really lacking substance. An American can buy Tokio Marine Travel Medical for 364 days at a time, even if they have been here 20 years. Accident and acute illness, term life and repatriation....no cancer, no knee replacements...

I dont do business in Florida, either....

Highlander, The Tokio Marine Travel Medical sounds interesting, but after visiting their website I don't see any policy that offers the 364 days of coverage. Can you point me in the right direction?

mortsyn wrote: ↑

April 10, 2018, 12:28 pm

In the latest edition of ScandAsia you find an article about SAMS on page 8.

https://issuu.com/scandasia/docs/scandasia_180400

DuiDui49 wrote: ↑

April 10, 2018, 8:15 pm

Mr.Mortsyn,what is the expected timeframe to get this insuranceplan come to fruition?

thighlander wrote: ↑

April 10, 2018, 11:49 pm

Are they a licensed business in Thailand? Do they have a license to sell insurance in Thailand, let alone issue policies. For those European s, who maintain health coverage at home, why not use the Allianz policies? For Americans covered by Medicare, you can simply use a travel medical type policy, mentioned earlier. For those, old and stateless, yeah right...younger people aren't d umm enough to pay into the same look as a 89 year old man..especially at the same rate...so just think for a minute, who the special interest group is here.
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mortsyn wrote: ↑

April 11, 2018, 11:31 am

DuiDui49 wrote: ↑

April 10, 2018, 8:15 pm

Mr.Mortsyn,what is the expected timeframe to get this insuranceplan come to fruition?

Within the next few weeks

mortsyn wrote: ↑

April 11, 2018, 11:35 am

thighlander wrote: ↑

April 10, 2018, 11:49 pm

Are they a licensed business in Thailand? Do they have a license to sell insurance in Thailand, let alone issue policies. For those European s, who maintain health coverage at home, why not use the Allianz policies? For Americans covered by Medicare, you can simply use a travel medical type policy, mentioned earlier. For those, old and stateless, yeah right...younger people aren't d umm enough to pay into the same look as a 89 year old man..especially at the same rate...so just think for a minute, who the special interest group is here.
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The first couple of sentences indicates that you have been too lazy to read the available documentation before putting up your reply. A too common behavior on forums and social media like Facebook.

thighlander wrote: ↑

April 11, 2018, 5:41 pm

mortsyn wrote: ↑

April 11, 2018, 11:35 am

thighlander wrote: ↑

April 10, 2018, 11:49 pm

Are they a licensed business in Thailand? Do they have a license to sell insurance in Thailand, let alone issue policies. For those European s, who maintain health coverage at home, why not use the Allianz policies? For Americans covered by Medicare, you can simply use a travel medical type policy, mentioned earlier. For those, old and stateless, yeah right...younger people aren't d umm enough to pay into the same look as a 89 year old man..especially at the same rate...so just think for a minute, who the special interest group is here.
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The first couple of sentences indicates that you have been too lazy to read the available documentation before putting up your reply. A too common behavior on forums and social media like Facebook.

Unlike most Europeans, I have been providing my own medical insurance for decades, with quite a few policies purchased for coverage in Thailand. The Swede plan is too broad and is just a poor attempt to reinvent the wheel. Swedes getting reimbursed for coverage applies to very few...but that seems to be much of the focus. If Sweden would simply require its citizens to buy a policy like they require foreigners to buy to visit Sweeden, from one of the numerous companies that offer Shengen policies, including the one I mentioned, it would be mission accomplished. But, plenty still believe they can get something for nothing....good luck. Those with health plans in their home countries need plans that will pay for stabilization and evacuation. 500k THB isn't going to get you a medivac to BKK, let alone, an escorted flight thousands of miles away.