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Post by fantom » January 11, 2015, 6:00 pm

Banning Christianity has been effective in Saudi Arabia.



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Post by ronan01 » January 11, 2015, 6:05 pm

jackspratt wrote:Can anyone point to where banning a religion has ever been effective?

Seems like a kneejerk reaction to me.
Japan perhaps?

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Post by Earnest » January 11, 2015, 6:28 pm

MALC wrote:i know a phipino.
You know a what? What's a phipino and who the blue blazes let those blighters in?

I'm writing to the Home Secretary. =;
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Post by ronan01 » January 11, 2015, 6:33 pm

Charlie Hebdo Paris massacre: Anonymous vows to avenge victims with cyber-war on jihadists

"Anonymous, the online "hacktivist" collective, has announced that it will avenge the attack on Charlie Hebdo by rendering jihadist websites inaccessible.

"Freedom of expression and opinion is a non-negotiable thing to tackle - to attack it is to attack democracy," Anonymous' statement concludes.

"Expect a massive and head-on reaction on our part because the defence of those freedoms is the foundation of our movement."

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Post by jackspratt » January 11, 2015, 6:38 pm

ronan01 wrote:
jackspratt wrote:Can anyone point to where banning a religion has ever been effective?

Seems like a kneejerk reaction to me.
Japan perhaps?
What religions are banned in Japan?

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Post by merchant seaman » January 11, 2015, 6:39 pm

And what idiot wants to close up Gitmo and release all the detainee's?
No man has a good enough memory to be a succesful liar.

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Post by ronan01 » January 11, 2015, 6:55 pm

jackspratt wrote:
ronan01 wrote:
jackspratt wrote:Can anyone point to where banning a religion has ever been effective?

Seems like a kneejerk reaction to me.
Japan perhaps?
What religions are banned in Japan?
Perhaps not an official ban - the japanese are far too diplomatic for that:

"Japan manages to remain a country almost without a Muslim presence because Japan’s negative attitude toward Islam and Muslims pervades every level of the population, from the man in the street to organizations and companies to senior officialdom. In Japan, contrary to the situation in other countries, there are no “human rights” organizations to offer support to Muslims’ claims against the government’s position. In Japan no one illegally smuggles Muslims into the country to earn a few yen, and almost no one gives them the legal support they would need in order to get permits for temporary or permanent residency or citizenship.

Another thing that helps the Japanese keep Muslim immigration to their shores to a minimum is the Japanese attitude toward the employee and employment. Migrant workers are perceived negatively in Japan, because they take the place of Japanese workers. A Japanese employer feels obligated to employ Japanese workers even if it costs much more than it would to employ foreign workers. The traditional connection between an employee and employer in Japan is much stronger than in the West, and the employer and employee feel a mutual commitment to each other: an employer feels obligated to give his employee a livelihood, and the employee feels obligated to give the employer the fruit of his labor. This situation does not encourage the acceptance of foreign workers, whose commitment to the employers is low.

The fact that the public and the officials are united in their attitude against Muslim immigration has created a sort of iron wall around Japan that Muslims lack both the permission and the capability to overcome. This iron wall silences the world’s criticism of Japan in this matter, because the world understands that there is no point in criticizing the Japanese, since criticism will not convince them to open the gates of Japan to Muslim immigration
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http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opin ... 3/05/19/0/

Your question was answered by Fantom - "Banning Christianity has been effective in Saudi Arabia"

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Post by ronan01 » January 11, 2015, 6:58 pm

First, the Japanese tend to lump all Muslims together as fundamentalists who are unwilling to give up their traditional point of view and adopt modern ways of thinking and behavior. In Japan, Islam is perceived as a strange religion, that any intelligent person should avoid.

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opin ... 3/05/19/0/

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Post by marjamlew » January 11, 2015, 7:08 pm

ttp://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opin ... 3/05/19/0/
Surely your not serious? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
May as well be reading Mein Kampf for an unbiased view of the holocaust.
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Post by parrot » January 11, 2015, 7:31 pm

merchant seaman wrote:And what idiot wants to close up Gitmo and release all the detainee's?

I think John McCain for one. I believe he speaks your language.

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Post by ronan01 » January 11, 2015, 8:05 pm

marjamlew wrote:ttp://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opin ... 3/05/19/0/
Surely your not serious? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
May as well be reading Mein Kampf for an unbiased view of the holocaust.
Does it matter who wrote it?

Can you point out any factual inaccuracies.

BTW - the holocaust happened a long time after Adolph published his opus, so how would I get an unbiased view from it?

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Post by marjamlew » January 11, 2015, 9:21 pm

ronan01 wrote:
marjamlew wrote:ttp://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opin ... 3/05/19/0/
Surely your not serious? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
May as well be reading Mein Kampf for an unbiased view of the holocaust.
Does it matter who wrote it?

Can you point out any factual inaccuracies.

BTW - the holocaust happened a long time after Adolph published his opus, so how would I get an unbiased view from it?
It obviously doesn't matter to you who writes any of the material that you quote as you prove in just about every post you make on any topic you tackle. It says a lot about you. And I think Adolph may have touched on the Jewish question in Mein Kampf and given away a bit of what he thought about the subject.
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Post by ronan01 » January 11, 2015, 9:27 pm

marjamlew wrote:
ronan01 wrote:
marjamlew wrote:ttp://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opin ... 3/05/19/0/
Surely your not serious? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
May as well be reading Mein Kampf for an unbiased view of the holocaust.
Does it matter who wrote it?

Can you point out any factual inaccuracies.

BTW - the holocaust happened a long time after Adolph published his opus, so how would I get an unbiased view from it?
It obviously doesn't matter to you who writes any of the material that you quote as you prove in just about every post you make on any topic you tackle. It says a lot about you. And I think Adolph may have touched on the Jewish question in Mein Kampf and given away a bit of what he thought about the subject.
Not sure Adolph mentioned the holocaust in his book.

Are the any factual errors in the jewishpress article? What is your point?

Its not my fault you get most things wrong, maybe you have been marginalised?

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Post by Astana » January 11, 2015, 9:51 pm

There can be no doubt that the genesis of the Holocaust is rooted in the racial laws to which Hitler refers directly to with his ideas in Mein Kampf. In Mein Kampf, Hitler used the main thesis of "the Jewish peril" as the basis of racial laws that would eventually lead to the extermination and destruction of "the weak" in order to provide the proper space and purity for the strong, the majority of which were Jewish and other groups such as Communists, homosexuals etc. Mein Kampf is a popular book in the Middle East and can be found on supermarket bookshelves.

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Post by jackspratt » January 11, 2015, 10:37 pm

On dear! I ask where a region has been successfully banned, and someone quotes Japan and Islam, based I guess on that unbiased publication, the Jewishpress.

I really can't be bothered reading the article, but can anyone confirm that the article mentions that the Japanese constitution guarantees freedom of religion.

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Post by ronan01 » January 12, 2015, 4:49 am

jackspratt wrote:On dear! I ask where a region has been successfully banned, and someone quotes Japan and Islam, based I guess on that unbiased publication, the Jewishpress.

I really can't be bothered reading the article, but can anyone confirm that the article mentions that the Japanese constitution guarantees freedom of religion.
Do you think christianity has been effectively banned in Saudi Arabia Comrade?

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Post by jackspratt » January 12, 2015, 7:02 pm

ronan01 wrote:
jackspratt wrote:On dear! I ask where a region has been successfully banned, and someone quotes Japan and Islam, based I guess on that unbiased publication, the Jewishpress.

I really can't be bothered reading the article, but can anyone confirm that the article mentions that the Japanese constitution guarantees freedom of religion.
Do you think christianity has been effectively banned in Saudi Arabia Comrade?
Not sure, Sarah - should I look in the Jewishpress for confirmation? :-k :D

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Post by ronan01 » January 12, 2015, 8:31 pm

jackspratt wrote:
ronan01 wrote:
jackspratt wrote:On dear! I ask where a region has been successfully banned, and someone quotes Japan and Islam, based I guess on that unbiased publication, the Jewishpress.

I really can't be bothered reading the article, but can anyone confirm that the article mentions that the Japanese constitution guarantees freedom of religion.
Do you think christianity has been effectively banned in Saudi Arabia Comrade?
Not sure, Sarah - should I look in the Jewishpress for confirmation? :-k :D
Your not as sharp as usual, are you a bit off colour Comrade Petal?

Here, have a read of this - right up your alley - and if you can manage to work out if christianity has been effectively banned in Saudi Arabia you may also wish to consider the plight of muslim women, I mean they are treated so well and equally:

"The West’s unrelenting attacks on Islamic values are part of a long-standing struggle preceding the modern colonial era. The only difference today is that, unlike the past, Muslims find themselves exposed without political authority to defend their beliefs and interests. The establishment of a just Caliphate, with the true interests of all humanity at heart, is the only assured response to the unending crimes of European and Western powers harming both Muslim and non-Muslim alike."

12th January 2015

http://www.hizb-australia.org/media-cen ... rophet-saw

Nothing worry about Comrade.

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Post by marjamlew » January 12, 2015, 8:43 pm

Another opinion piece that examines how fundamentalists are created/evolve/happen. Long and not a light read but hopefully adds to the discussion.
But I still believe that the best way to do this is to fight for our Republican ideals. Equality is meaningless in times of austerity. Liberty is but hypocrisy when elements of the French population are being routinely discriminated. But fraternity is lost when religion trumps politics as the structuring principle of a society. Charlie Hebdo promoted equality, liberty and fraternity – they were part of the solution, not the problem.
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Post by jackspratt » January 12, 2015, 9:26 pm

ronan01 wrote:[
Here, have a read of this - right up your alley - and if you can manage to work out if christianity has been effectively banned in Saudi Arabia you may also wish to consider the plight of muslim women, I mean they are treated so well and equally:
Ohhh! Sarah .... off onto your normal tactic - a bit of deflection.

My question was:
Can anyone point to where banning a religion has ever been effective?
Whereas fantom (given that he has a clear mind, and no agenda) was able to point to the fact that Christianity has been effectively (though not legally) banned in Saudi, it did not answer my question as to whether the ban has been effective ie has it totally suppressed Christianity there (which is apparently what Angola aspires to in respect to Islam).

The answer is clearly no.

In the meantime, you pointed to Japan - which has freedom of religion front and centre in its constitution, and when this is pointed out, you wander off into some totally off-question waffle about the rights of muslim women, and Islamic values - neither of which I mentioned.

You do your best work on the Climategate thread Sarah, where by sheer weight of denialist nonsense, just like the OP of that thread, you wear everyone down.

Back here in the real world, you are just another ultra-conservative, thought-free zone. :D

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