NZ sentences including those given for terrorism are usually way less than what are given in Australia or the UK. When we think of terrorism in NZ many of us think of the French foreign intelligence service, the Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure (DGSE), and the killing of Fernando Pereirain in 1985.

France initially denied responsibility for the attacks, but later admitted its role. Two of the French agents involved in the attack were arrested, convicted, and jailed for only 10 years, while several others escaped. I understand that the Australians picked some of them up but Australian law then was too weak and they could not detain some of the terrorists. French defence minister Charles Hernu eventually resigned over the affair.

Many NZers have family, including me, buried in France defending France. And the French government still engaged in a terrorist act in NZ in the 1980s. We have long memories. Few older NZers would help the French government. I'm not prepared to spend 5 cents protecting France.

I understand that the then leader of the French government's terrorist squad now lives in Virginia and has never faced any criminal charges. The Americans seem happy for some non-Muslim terrorists to live in the US. It might be that NZ has never sought to extradite him as it's regarded as a hopeless case. He's too protected under American law? If that's wrong, we should still seek to extradite him. And if convicted give him 20 years.

Interesting read.

CHURCHILL ON ISLAM

Unbelievable, but the speech below was written in 1899. (Check Wikipedia - The River War). The attached short speech from Winston Churchill, was delivered by him in 1899 when he was a young soldier and journalist. It probably sets out the current views of many, but expresses in the wonderful Churchillian turn of phrase and use of the English language, of which he was a past master. Sir Winston Churchill was, without doubt, one of the great men of the late 19th and 20th centuries. He was a brave young soldier, a brilliant journalist, an extraordinary politician and statesman, a great war leader and British Prime Minister, to whom the Western world must be forever in debt.

He was a prophet in his own time. He died on 24th January 1965, at the grand old age of 90 and, after a lifetime of service to his country, was accorded a State funeral. HERE IS THE SPEECH:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step;
and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
Sir Winston Churchill; (Source: The River War, first edition, Vol II, pages 248-250 London).

Churchill saw it coming.

AND WHO TOOK THE BUST OF CHURCHILL OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE ?

There has never been any acts of terrorism recorded in NZ. This smells of something much more sinister. Or is the NZ Government pandering to the Egyptians in the hope of a favourable trade for the export of live sheep?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/a ... cals-egypt

Quote{ There has never been any acts of terrorism recorded in NZ.} What about the "Rainbow Worrier" ??

socksy wrote:Interesting read.

CHURCHILL ON ISLAM

Unbelievable, but the speech below was written in 1899. (Check Wikipedia - The River War). The attached short speech from Winston Churchill, was delivered by him in 1899 when he was a young soldier and journalist. It probably sets out the current views of many, but expresses in the wonderful Churchillian turn of phrase and use of the English language, of which he was a past master. Sir Winston Churchill was, without doubt, one of the great men of the late 19th and 20th centuries. He was a brave young soldier, a brilliant journalist, an extraordinary politician and statesman, a great war leader and British Prime Minister, to whom the Western world must be forever in debt.

He was a prophet in his own time. He died on 24th January 1965, at the grand old age of 90 and, after a lifetime of service to his country, was accorded a State funeral. HERE IS THE SPEECH:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step;
and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
Sir Winston Churchill; (Source: The River War, first edition, Vol II, pages 248-250 London).

Churchill saw it coming.

AND WHO TOOK THE BUST OF CHURCHILL OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE ?

2014 Election candidate arrested over Churchill speech - European election candidate was quoting an anti-Islamic passage from Winston Churchill book when he was arrested

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... peech.html

Dont know the outcome

There doesn't seem to be a problem with radical Muslims in New Zealand. There's a kind of a natural safety valve here. The potential radicals would be quite lonely and so they tend to move to Australia where there is a more active bunch of lunatics.

One problem we have is misinformation by the NZ spooks. Their public statements are completely untrustworthy. For example they expressed concern about NZ women leaving for the Middle East to become jihadi brides. Many months later it emerged that not a single one from NZ could be identified. They were all NZ women living in Australia who had headed to the Middle East to find a medieval teeruk.

Many older NZers haven't forgotten the French government's act of terrorism with the Rainbow Warrior. If our spooks were doing their job they would also be keeping an eye on French and Israeli government activity in NZ. Mossad agents are fond of NZ passports and the French government has a long history of violent actions in other countries. The French intelligence official who lead the French government's terrorists in NZ is apparently now residing in the US. Virgina, I think. If Drumpf got elected hopefully he'd kick that bastard out.

I posted the same Churchill quote on the thread linked below a few months ago and someone by the name of Old Timer said he googled around 6 or 7 times and figure out what Churchill meant :-" Maybe he can come back here and explain to us what Churchill meant...at least according to the mind of the Old Timer....

I'll send Old Timer a PM and see if he'll come out for us.

Old Timers quote: Agreed, with Churchill that is. Although, It took around six or seven googles to understand what he was talking about.

OT........

http://www.udonmap.com/udonthaniforum/e ... 45-60.html

A current ongoing Murder investigation in Glasgow. I can't seem to get my head around it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-gla ... t-35976958

socksy wrote:A current ongoing Murder investigation in Glasgow. I can't seem to get my head around it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-gla ... t-35976958

“You simply can’t have 1.6 billion people owing allegiance to a religion which has an immutable scripture giving imprimatur to supremacism, intolerance, discrimination and violence.

It is just not acceptable.

Muslims have to be persuaded to leave this pernicious creed behind and live more enlightened lives.

Nothing else will do!

Islam cannot be reformed, and that is the irreducible fact of it.”

http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2016 ... -delusion/

Here's a video of a "refugee" threatening to throw a baby if he isn't allowed to go to welfare heaven Cultural enrichment....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WY5eYg__LA

This little video explains things;

https://www.youtube.com/embed/yeJ-iv3MOTo?rel=0

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Blood Year: Islamic State and the Failures of the War on Terror by David Kilcullen

http://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2016/04/age-conflict/

After Muslim Truckers Refuse to Deliver Beer … Obama Does the
Unbelievable by Bill Callen Barack Obama just sided with
Muslims to enforce Islamic Sharia Law on an American business, leaving
many outraged and two Fox News anchors absolutely stunned. Two
Muslim truck drivers — former Somali “refugees” — refused to make
deliveries of beer to stores for their employer. So they were
understandably fired. They claimed it was a violation of their
religious beliefs — even though Islam bars only the consumption of
alcohol. And, as the employer pointed out, the workers knew they
would have to deliver alcohol before they took the job. So guess
what Barack Obama did. He SUED the employers on behalf of the
pair, Mahad Abass Mohamed and Abdkiarim Hassan Bulshale, claiming
religious discrimination. Obama’s Equal Employment Opportunity
Commission (EEOC) represented them in the case, providing tens of
thousands of taxpayer dollars in legal support, judicial filings and
court appearances against the employer who was hopelessly outgunned by
the Federal government. And this week the Muslims were awarded a
stunning $240,000 by a jury, presided over by an Obama appointee who
stunned analysts by allowing the case to go forward at all. Fox
News hosts Megyn Kelly and Andrew Napolitano were flabbergasted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... 3q61Y85oCw
“The Obama administration actually represented the two Muslims in
this case. But has sometimes taken a very different position in the
case of Christians trying to assert their religious beliefs.”
She then said to Fox News senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano:
“So in the case of the Muslim truck drivers, the Obama administration
through the EEOC is all in. "This is what they said: ‘We are
proud to support the rights of workers to equal treatment in the
workplace without having to sacrifice their religious beliefs or
practices; it’s fundamental to the American principles of religious
freedom and tolerance.’ "But when it comes to the Christian
bakers, it’s not as fundamental.” Napolitano was equally
perplexed: “That’s correct. It’s unfortunate when the
government interferes in a private dispute over religious views, and
takes sides, and chooses one religion over another.” To their point,
the Christian owners of “Melissa’s Sweet Cakes” were fined $135,000 by
the state of Oregon for refusing to bake a wedding cake for a lesbian
couple. And Kentucky clerk Kim Davis was jailed for refusing to issue
same-sex marriage licenses. Napolitano offered an explanation
for the administration’s interest in the Muslim truck driver case:
“The way the feds intervened … they wanted this case because they
wanted to make the point that they've now made.” The U.S.
Government and the courts can't legally have one set of laws for
Christians and another set of laws for Muslims and other religious
groups. But now they do. Obama’s actions and this court’s ruling
throws into relief that not all Americans are legally recognized as
possessing religious liberty and freedom of conscience. As
George Orwell might put it, Obama has now established that Muslims are more equal than Christians in America.

https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/newsroom/rele ... 22-15b.cfm

"But as the Peoria Journal Star (Andy Kravetz) notes, “Whether the men collect their money is another story. Star Transport went out of business earlier this year and it’s unknown who is now responsible for the judgment.” Thanks to Professor Howard Friedman (Religion Clause) for the pointer."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... t-alcohol/

James E. Shadid is the Chief Judge of the United States District Court for the Central District of Illinois.

Appointed by Barack Obama.

His father is George Shadid,[2] who eventually became sheriff of Peoria County and Illinois state senator.[3]

George P. Shadid was born in Clinton, Iowa[6] to immigrants from Lebanon.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_E._Shadid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Shadid

Judge Shadid, is an Obama appointee, who, as Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin noted, was the first Arab-American to serve as a state judge in Illinois. He has made his mark in a pretzel-twisting interpretation of the Constitution’s guarantee of religious liberty.

The two truckers knew when they applied for the trucking jobs they might be asked to transport the prohibited alcohol. One suspects that might have been the intention -- to force a test case in federal court as part of the Islamization of America, a case they knew the administration of Barack Hussein Obama would support.

The double standard of the Obama administration knows no bounds. They did not rush to defend the religious liberty rights of the owner of Sweet Cakes by Melissa. But they have gone to court to force the Little Sisters of the Poor to force the group of elderly nuns who aid the impoverished and ill elderly to provide contraception coverage for their staff. As Investor’s Business Daily editorialized:

The Little Sisters contend ObamaCare not only violates the First Amendment's religious guarantees, but also the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act. That requires the government to implement its policies in ways that do not impose an unnecessary burden on the free exercise of religion….

If the Little Sisters lose their case, they'll either have to violate their religious conscience or face fines of around $2.5 million a year, or about 40% of what they beg for annually to care for the dying poor. Their ministry would be severely crippled, as would the First Amendment's guarantee of religious liberty.

The EEOC argued that Star Transport could have made accommodations for the two drivers, such as assigning them to deliveries not involving alcohol. But no such accommodations are offered to Christian bakers or Catholic nuns serving the poor. Not only is religious freedom being infringed here but so is equal treatment under the law.

No meaningful accommodations are offered to counter ObamaCare’s infringement of religious liberty. Catholic institutions such as universities and charities are under assault for trying to act on their faith in their daily activities and not just for one hour on Sunday.

The Muslim truckers could have accommodated themselves by taking another job. Maybe they could open a bakery and be forced to cater gay weddings.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles ... z48j4frNe4

Udon Map wrote:

ronan01 wrote:The EEOC argued that Star Transport could have made accommodations for the two drivers, such as assigning them to deliveries not involving alcohol.

Technically, that's correct; but the EEOC only made that argument because Star Trucking admitted that it could easily have accommodated the drivers. If Star Trucking had said that such an accommodation would have placed too large a burden on its business, the jury might well have awarded the two drivers nothing. But, as I said above, once Star Trucking made the admission, the only question was the size of the check. The government didn't have to prove discrimination once the admission was made.

For the record, I'm far from an Obama apologist. However, it's important to keep the facts straight.

That may be so, but the full quote was:

The EEOC argued that Star Transport could have made accommodations for the two drivers, such as assigning them to deliveries not involving alcohol. But no such accommodations are offered to Christian bakers or Catholic nuns serving the poor. Not only is religious freedom being infringed here but so is equal treatment under the law.

It is important to keep the facts straight.