tamada wrote: ↑

October 21, 2017, 11:58 am

I bought a DIY install Yale wireless security system from the UK many moons ago. Consists of 4 PIR (room motion detectors), maybe 8 switches (for detecting opened doors and/or windows), a couple of very loud alarms with strobes and the keypad/controller. The latter was designed to interface with a land-line only but I bought some bits and bobs on eBay so now it has a SIM module and mobile phone dial-up ability to send sms and/or messages remotely when it has been triggered. No cameras apart from a couple of old Panasonics that are not in any way integrated with the above gadgetry.

Works when I am there. No clue if anyone bothers with it when I'm not.

The model I have is obsolete but here's their current equivalent. I think mine was around £300.

https://www.yale.co.uk/en/yale/couk/pro ... alarm-kit/

Just curious but, those wireless PIR sensors, how often do you have to change the batteries out? Is that a problem?

lassebasse wrote: ↑

October 21, 2017, 9:23 am

Everyone seems fixated with cameras to protect their property. What about motion detectors in the house combined with a siren to scare away intruders?

Cameras outside to detect intruders is a bit iffy in Thailand. Anybody having CCTV cameras outside here knows that the geckos love them at night... keeps them warm. I had to make some plastic rings and put them around the tip of the cameras to dissuade the geckos from dropping their tales in front of the lens... to get the IR heat I suspect. At any rate, not a very reliable way to detect intruders. Then your software needs to distinguish between a dog and a person, and not trying to be a wise arse but some Thais are only slightly larger than a large dog

On the other hand, waiting till a thief is inside the house to detect them has the obvious implications... danger to your family. PIR sensors outside in the Thai heat are not reliable either, as well as distinguishing between man and dog again (perhaps others have better results?) The most reliable detection outside would seem to be laser tripwires. I started on a laser tripwire for my perimeter wall last dry season, then got tied up with the extension we put on our house... plus I can't stand working outside in the heat. Hopefully with the dry "cooler" season upon us I can see if I can get that working. Not sure how a laser tripwire would preform in heavy rain though.

Where do you get the batteries for the pir sensors. As ours are 3 years now and expecting to replace soon


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mac1966 wrote: ↑

October 21, 2017, 3:56 pm

Where do you get the batteries for the pir sensors. As ours are 3 years now and expecting to replace soon


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My Yale system uses standard D-cells in the alarm boxes, AAA batteries in the PIR's and CR2032's in the window/door switches. I am using Duracell again (now that the Chinese fakes have all been bought up!) but Panasonic red/gold or better blue/silver, top-of-the-range types will do. Do NOT use the cheap black or green Panasonics sold at mom & pop stores!

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well the guy who took a look was from the watashi shop , i wanted a 4 digital IP camera system and he advised this system in promotion (?) , nvr wrc 142A , with 2 TB harddisk, 4 digital IP cameras 2MP ,WIP026TA-6 , price 29.900 baht
installation cost 1.000 baht because easy to do in home us , kptech on the other hand has a dahua set for 22.900 baht ,installation cost 850 baht/camera , so +3.400 baht =26.300 baht ...
nvr 4104HS-4KS2, 1TB harddisk , 2MP digital IP camera IPC HFW1220S
what they do not mention is the poe switch about 320 baht , power box about 1.000 baht?
i will compare some prices on internet tomorrow , update follows later..

newtovillagelife wrote: ↑

October 21, 2017, 9:50 am

lassebasse wrote: ↑

October 21, 2017, 9:23 am

Everyone seems fixated with cameras to protect their property. What about motion detectors in the house combined with a siren to scare away intruders?

Could you give us some details about your motion detection system. Costs, ease of set up, where you got the items.

I do not have it, was just wondering why nobody here seems interested in it.

motion detection ? i think this is only useful for the ones whom build a castle of a home here , as for us with a small home 8 x 12M , 2 bedroom ,2 bathroom, 1 living room/kitchen, it is not needed , i also wonder how quickly these detectors trigger , tjintjok wise? , maybe going of on all the wrong occasions.., in our case maybe a small ip camera like these is handy ,https://www.lazada.co.th/shop-security-cameras/
sending a signal/picture to your smartphone when detection ...not expensive and easy to install...
btw i have been searching prices (individually)on the net of the quoted sets mentioned before and unable to find better price for the watashi set (about same price) , for the dahua set however it would be 5.500 cheaper...
we still have time though as we only are going to move end of the year (no internet yet in new home )..
will update later

kopkei wrote: ↑

October 21, 2017, 8:33 pm

well the guy who took a look was from the watashi shop , i wanted a 4 digital IP camera system and he advised this system in promotion (?) , nvr wrc 142A , with 2 TB harddisk, 4 digital IP cameras 2MP ,WIP026TA-6 , price 29.900 baht
installation cost 1.000 baht because easy to do in home us , kptech on the other hand has a dahua set for 22.900 baht ,installation cost 850 baht/camera , so +3.400 baht =26.300 baht ...
nvr 4104HS-4KS2, 1TB harddisk , 2MP digital IP camera IPC HFW1220S
what they do not mention is the poe switch about 320 baht , power box about 1.000 baht?
i will compare some prices on internet tomorrow , update follows later..

I can be a bit slow some times, so please humour me. Why would anybody need an NVR with IP cameras? You can use a windows app (I use zoneminder in Linux on my server with a 1TB dedicated drive) to gather all the streams (RTSP) to display the cameras. IP Cameras all have webservers built in (usually embedded linux). Perhaps I'm missing something?
2MP camera with H.264 compression at 30FPS only requires around 4Mb/s bandwidth. Four cameras should not tax even a very old Pentium processor.

30,000 B? $1,000 US for four 1080P cameras?

You can buy dozens of different outside 1080P IP cameras on AliExpress for $20-30. Even if you go for a well known brand maybe you will pay $50?
4 IP Cameras off AliExpress X $35 = $140
A 100mb/s Ethernet switch X $10? = $10
Cat5/6 to each camera? 4 X $5 = $20
A dedicated old PC $0 or existing PC if you want (it isn't much extra compute power for 4 x 1080P cams)

Total = $170

An old PC running Zoneminder in Linux (in a VM on Windows if you like), or use one of the many applications that run in Windows that can aggregate the data from the cameras and do the motion detection, or cloud s/w, etc. The windows apps are supposed to be very user friendly (unlike Zoneminder). I suppose this is all about whether or not one wants to spend a few hours learning some s/w and install the cameras themselves.

kopkei wrote: ↑

October 21, 2017, 8:33 pm

poe switch about 320 baht , power box about 1.000 baht?

POE switch? Geez louise. Do they need "active" POE? I doubt seriously the system needs active POE. Passive POE is merely connecting 12V and Gnd to the Blue and Brown UTP pairs (respectfully) in the Cat5/6 cable. As I mentioned before, a simple $2 dongle will do the trick and you can just tap a 12V line out of your desktop PC PSU cabling (for free) Active POE (from the little I know - possibly incorrect) requires special analysis of the line voltage so the power source will step the voltage up (from 12V to 15V or thereabouts) when required.

thanks rjj04 for your input , the only thing i can say is that i am surely not a computer specialist ,
i have only compared things with our present cctv kenpro system where they did use a power box supply and this
http://www.lazada.co.th/tp-link-8-port- ... m_campaign
in combination of a hybrid nvr... i do not have an old pc , only 1 laptop ...

kopkei wrote: ↑

October 22, 2017, 2:34 pm

thanks rjj04 for your input , the only thing i can say is that i am surely not a computer specialist ,
i have only compared things with our present cctv kenpro system where they did use a power box supply and this
http://www.lazada.co.th/tp-link-8-port- ... m_campaign
in combination of a hybrid nvr... i do not have an old pc , only 1 laptop ...

I see. Sorry, I can be a bit long-winded. Perhaps the info I put on this thread might help a few others who, like me, have a lot of free time on their hands and like to do things as inexpensively as possible. I'll go back to my man cave now Good luck on your system.

well any advice on this (for my case)aliexpress ?...
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DAHUA-3 ... 60cf2dfc7e
hard disk compatible for this nvr http://www.lazada.co.th/toshiba-hdd-not ... dkD&rb=985
is there any additional software needed to connect the hard disk? ...
thanks for any info ...

Since I've never owned or even considered buying an NVR, I am afraid I can't really be of any help there. I would say though that the AliExpress URL you game doesn't seem to have much information on the s/w of that box. Perhaps you can find it elsewhere? Since the only thing an NVR seems to do for you that is different than just using a desktop PC is user friendly (probably proprietary) s/w, you'd need to look seriously at that. I doubt the NVR has anything more than a SBC running Linux and maybe some applications that the NVR manufacturer has written. I seriously doubt that the box has any proprietary h/w (ASIC/FPGA).

As far as that HDD, if I were you I'd buy a "CCTV" drive. "Supposedly" the manufacturers of the drives make that type of drive more robust, since the drive will be written to almost continuously 24/7 day-in-day-out. It might be worth the extra few hundred baht in the long run.

Good luck.

WD Purple are CCTV and Red are NAS (more robust) drives. Although, if I'm not mistaken, Toshiba has a decent reputation for drives.
http://www.lazada.co.th/western-wd-purp ... 3G0uZ&ff=1
http://www.lazada.co.th/wd-1-tb-red-nas ... 7NpFD&ff=1

s/w to connect a harddisk? I'd imagine that the NVR will detect and mount the drive automatically... but as I said.. never owned an NVR

That Toshiba is a bit lower ranking on performance as well...
http://hdd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/ ... RX-68JCSN0
http://hdd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/ ... MQ01ABD100

I know nothing about these systems other than we had a four camera system installed last week. The name of the system is AST by Astun Tech. The recorder is H 264 digital video recorder. I am especially impressed with the range of the IR camera lights. The cost of the entire system and installation was 14,000 baht. I had to provide the monitor. The installer is a local guy and the system has a one year warranty. He is local and he will maintain the system after the warranty expires. He did a nice job. The cameras can be monitored with a cell phone. I should add that the installation was not easy.

what the sw of the hard drive is concerned , i did change once the hard drive of my dvd recorder and without
pre-configered software the machine was not working , had to send it to bkk firm to upload the needed driver...,
so i was thinking it would be the same with the nvr ?, anyway next month our son in law is visiting and he has better knowledge about these things as me ,
thanks again for the extra info on this guy's ..