Brilliant idea . True democracy . We could even get a vote on what we spend the millions we saved not paying them lame ducks in Westminster , and covert the houses of parliament into condos .BillaRickaDickay wrote: ↑March 25, 2019, 2:11 pmSince big brother has arrived in the UK, we are now forced to use computers to be able to go about our daily business, everyone now has access to a computer/smart phone so maybe we could get rid of politicians for good.
In a real democracy, if everyone could vote referendum style on every issue at the touch of a button, Brexit would have been sorted out years ago.
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The only thing that the Brexit vote has shown is the total contempt by the MP's of the electorate - and before the remoaners start hitting that dislike button, remember that your vote is not worth anything in the future if your vote can be overturned and that if you vote for remain again in the future, the MP's would have a right to go against you and vote for Brexit anyhow under their own new rules !.
Just another option for an indicative vote that will NOT gain a majority in Parliament! Too many Labour MP's represent Leave constituencies and would not want to alienate their constituents, possibly a few Conservatives might but as 70% of Conservative MP's and 60% of Labour MP's represent constituencies that voted for Brexit, I seriously doubt the numbers are there for it to pass through Parliament, regardless of the SNP and LibDem vote!
Just another option for an indicative vote that will NOT gain a majority in Parliament! Too many Labour MP's represent Leave constituencies and would not want to alienate their constituents, possibly a few Conservatives might but as 70% of Conservative MP's and 60% of Labour MP's represent constituencies that voted for Brexit, I seriously doubt the numbers are there for it to pass through Parliament, regardless of the SNP and LibDem vote!
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After living in Thailand 20 yrs i really dont give a nonsense about brexit n all it has been .. my daughter still ives there n her fella is well stashed but as i have advised to all i know last man turn off the lights ..
the UK is fooked ,, major industry gone .. all our car brands are now kraut owned .. bla bla bla
the UK voted to leave .. and leave they should but its the fault of the totally useless over paid politicians that have made this so difficult .. UK gotta get out ,, as must a few other the EU is done n dusted if just a couple of other countires jum ship .. OUT MEANS OUT ,, you dont have a vote n then say .. hang on lets vote again cos our elected politicians have failed miserably to sort out the wish of the people ..
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the UK is fooked ,, major industry gone .. all our car brands are now kraut owned .. bla bla bla
the UK voted to leave .. and leave they should but its the fault of the totally useless over paid politicians that have made this so difficult .. UK gotta get out ,, as must a few other the EU is done n dusted if just a couple of other countires jum ship .. OUT MEANS OUT ,, you dont have a vote n then say .. hang on lets vote again cos our elected politicians have failed miserably to sort out the wish of the people ..
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The problem is there is no majority consent for which OUT is on offer.Drunk Monkey wrote: ↑March 26, 2019, 1:12 amOUT MEANS OUT ,, you dont have a vote n then say .. hang on lets vote again cos our elected politicians have failed miserably to sort out the wish of the people'
What is the true will of the people if there are two factions with contradictory interpretations claiming to represent their wishes?
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The vote is the vote.Zico wrote: ↑March 28, 2019, 5:28 pmThe problem is there is no majority consent for which OUT is on offer.Drunk Monkey wrote: ↑March 26, 2019, 1:12 amOUT MEANS OUT ,, you dont have a vote n then say .. hang on lets vote again cos our elected politicians have failed miserably to sort out the wish of the people'
What is the true will of the people if there are two factions with contradictory interpretations claiming to represent their wishes?
What the two factions are fighting over is whether or not to honor the vote. It's typical of elitists who think they know best for the masses and rabble. The role of the factions is to honor the vote of the People. There are always winners and losers in voting.
There's nothing to interpret. The results of the vote are clear.
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The Elite, like Jacob-Rees Mogg and Boris Johnson, are the ones pushing for an outcome they denied would happen during the campaign.Lone Star wrote: ↑March 28, 2019, 5:32 pm
The vote is the vote.
What the two factions are fighting over is whether or not to honor the vote. It's typical of elitists who think they know best for the masses and rabble. The role of the factions is to honor the vote of the People. There are always winners and losers in voting.
There's nothing to interpret. The results of the vote are clear.
They said the prospect of the UK crashing out of the EU with no arrangements for future trade was 'Project Fear' propaganda.
I'd argue that most people who voted to leave the EU did so on the understanding that politicians like Jacob-Rees Mogg and Boris Johnson could deliver on their promise that the UK would keep the trading relationship but get rid of free movement and the ECJ.
They failed so if they're offering something different now. They propose leaving the EU and putting the UK on the same trading terms as a third world country which will decimate domestic industry and lead to potentially catastrophic shortages of food and medicines.
The people deserve a vote on this new scenario.
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Dont be so stupid, they are queing up to do busines with the UK
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Nothing should be offered differently on either side.Zico wrote: ↑March 29, 2019, 10:34 am. . .
They failed so if they're offering something different now. They propose leaving the EU and putting the UK on the same trading terms as a third world country which will decimate domestic industry and lead to potentially catastrophic shortages of food and medicines.
The people deserve a vote on this new scenario.
Honor the vote of The People.
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Of course and the UK will be able to negotiate trade deals specific to its own interests if it is no longer part of a customs union with the EU.minimiglia wrote: ↑March 29, 2019, 10:40 amDont be so stupid, they are queing up to do busines with the UK
But the day after leaving the EU with no other agreement in place all the UK will default to WTO rules on trade with all but an inconsequential handful of counties.
It takes years to negotiate trade deals unless you want to look desperate and then end up getting screwed over. Who wouldn't take advantage of a country in the UK's position after a no deal Brexit?
That's not even considering what happens to existing trade with the EU. Leaving the EU with no deal is like a self imposed economic blockade.
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The last 2 years could have been spent doing much of that.Zico wrote: ↑March 29, 2019, 1:52 pm. . .
It takes years to negotiate trade deals unless you want to look desperate and then end up getting screwed over. Who wouldn't take advantage of a country in the UK's position after a no deal Brexit?
That's not even considering what happens to existing trade with the EU. Leaving the EU with no deal is like a self imposed economic blockade.
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The original referendum was flawed because it put a binary choice to something which could have many outcomes.
If you had a similar referendum on legalising drugs a handful of nutcase MPs could insist that dealing heroin should be legal because they won't accept any variation on all drugs being legalised as per their interpretation of what the vote meant.
No moral and responsible elected representative would allow a bunch of idealogues to harm society like that.
And that's what's happening now.
There may be merits to legalising drugs and Brexit but not at the cost of harming wider society if done recklessly.
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The binary choice was to remain or stay.
The outcome from that choice has to be negotiated by the government after the vote is honored. There were two years for that organization and the logistics to be worked out. What has been happening is that the elitists in government didn't like the outcome of the vote and don't want to do the heavy lifting that The People ordered.
The voters were offered a binary choice as it was written. The voters chose.
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With the obvious exception of your backside, do you have a verifiable source for this?minimiglia wrote: ↑March 29, 2019, 10:40 amDont be so stupid, they are queing up to do busines with the UK
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Ashamed to be English since 23rd June 2016 when England voted for racism & economic suicide.
Disgusted that the UK is “governed” by a squalid bunch of economically illiterate, self-serving, sleazy and corrupt neo-fascists.
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Again the elite are the minority like Charles Dyson, Jacob-Rees Mogg and Nigel Lawson who advocated for Britain to leave the EU then shifted their assets abroad when the vote unexpectedly went to leave.Lone Star wrote: ↑March 29, 2019, 2:21 pmThe binary choice was to remain or stay.
The outcome from that choice has to be negotiated by the government after the vote is honored. There were two years for that organization and the logistics to be worked out. What has been happening is that the elitists in government didn't like the outcome of the vote and don't want to do the heavy lifting that The People ordered.
The voters were offered a binary choice as it was written. The voters chose.
Traitors the lot of them but the people of the UK shouldn't be hostage to a mistake made partly due to their lies while they jump ship and a avoid the consequences.
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I agree with this paragraph if you're calling them out to honor the vote.
It doesn't matter who the specific elitists are or who specifically has betrayed the People. Any and all are bad regardless of party affiliation.
Honor the vote, do the heavy lifting and make the UK Great Again. Do the People's Work.
The UK isn't alone in this regard. Elitists and backstabbers are in every government body worldwide.
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The rallies come as the Prime Minister mounted a failed last-ditch bid for the Commons to back her Withdrawal Agreement, which covers payment of the £39 billion to the EU, the Northern Ireland backstop and citizens’ rights, in today's vote.
The DUP and ERG were both set to vote against Mrs May today, torpedoing her already remote chances, with her Brexit deal rejected for a third time in today's vote.
Following this afternoon's Commons defeat for Mrs May, Britain is set to leave the EU on April 12 with no deal.
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Last night, EU chiefs insisted Britain must reopen negotiations to stop leaving without a deal, as reported by Express.co.uk yesterday.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... vorce-bill
The DUP and ERG were both set to vote against Mrs May today, torpedoing her already remote chances, with her Brexit deal rejected for a third time in today's vote.
Following this afternoon's Commons defeat for Mrs May, Britain is set to leave the EU on April 12 with no deal.
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Last night, EU chiefs insisted Britain must reopen negotiations to stop leaving without a deal, as reported by Express.co.uk yesterday.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... vorce-bill
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french wine and cheese will be backing up and going smelly
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zico the eu is undemocratic the eu needs us more than we need them were Germanys biggest trading partner in the eu so ---- them if they don't want to give us the deal we deserve for propping up the eu over the years so stop whinning about the result if it had off went the way off remain I would off just got on with it not shouting for second referendums and the like
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Common knowledgeJimboPSM wrote: ↑March 29, 2019, 3:48 pmWith the obvious exception of your backside, do you have a verifiable source for this?minimiglia wrote: ↑March 29, 2019, 10:40 amDont be so stupid, they are queing up to do busines with the UK
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