SIN TAX INCREASE

Post by **BobHelm** » September 16, 2017, 1:24 pm

According to The Nation, not actually ridiculous rises for beer..

The details are as following:

The tax per bottle of wine priced more than Bt1,000 will be Bt110 upwards, depending on the price. The tax on locally made wine will decrease by Bt25 per bottle.

The tax per can of beer will be Bt0.50 higher, and for bottles of beer it will be Bt2 .66 more. For higher-priced beer, the tax will decrease by between Bt0.99 and Bt2.

White spirit will be taxed more by Bt0.84-3.49 per bottle. For other kinds of locally produced spirit, the additional tax will be Bt8 per bottle for 28 per cent alcohol content and Bt30 for 40 per cent alcohol content .

The tax on other imported spirits, such as Johnnie Walker Red and Blue Label Scotch whisky, will be a little less, from Bt3 to Bt26 depending on alcohol content.

For cheap cigarette brands, the tax will add Bt4 to Bt15 more per pack, while higher-priced cigarettes will be taxed at Bt2-19 more per pack.

Sugary drinks also be subject to higher taxes. Soft drink taxes will be Bt0.13 to Bt 0.50 per bottle, but sugar-free soft-drink will be taxed less by Bt0.28 Bt0.36 per bottle.

Energy drinks will be taxed more, ranging from Bt0.32 to Bt0.90 per can or bottle.

Green tea will be taxed Bt1.13 to Bt2.05 more per bottle, and the tax on coffee will be Bt1.35 more per bottle or can.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/ ... s/30326861

Post by **tamada** » September 16, 2017, 1:31 pm

Mosquito wrote: ↑
September 15, 2017, 10:30 pm
If what I'm seeing is correct, this increase will be significant.

Prediction/Cause and Effect:
- Crime will increase
- Expected Health benefits won't be significant, actually might be worse as Thais will shift to lower/more toxic brands of alcohol and cigs.
- Police road blocks will increase, they will have to make up the difference of supporting their habits/gik.
- Bars will see a significant decline in customers.
- Restaurants will see a decline in income, assume most make a good portion of their profits from alcohol sales.
- The additional revenue will be blown or pocketed, little will benefit the masses.
- (bit of a stretch, already happening) Drug use will increase, yaba pill cost will be on par with a large local beer.

Good news being I might actually stop smoking...

Bored, so just my 2 cents worth.

Now we are beginning to see what the tax increases actually entail, I don't predict as much social upheaval.

Just to note that according to the moobahn gossip, the price of yabaa is at it's lowest since April last year. I guess bringing happiness to the people has been initiated earlier for some.

Post by **Drunk Monkey** » September 16, 2017, 1:34 pm

tamada wrote: ↑
September 16, 2017, 1:22 pm

pal52 wrote: ↑
September 16, 2017, 1:11 pm

tamada wrote: ↑
September 16, 2017, 12:52 pm
Does anyone know whatt the CURRENT, pre-increase tax is on beer, wine and lao khao? Since the Nation's 'breaking news' appears to be in terms of tax increases rather than precise final tax rates, knowing what we have been paying may take some of the panic out of things? Or maybe not.
The 2016 taxes on beer were 17% PREVIOUSLY based on the wholesale price so increased to 22% NOW based on the retail price
Cigs were 15% so increased to 20% some increased to 40%
Alcohol/ spirits were 13% so increased to 20%.
Loas Khow/ White spirit increases 2%
Thanks for that clarification sir. So it's not quite the end of the world... yet.

OR IS IT ???? ....so many nubers being thrown around when in truth nobody knows the real outcome until the Customs department actually implement the increases.

Post by **stattointhailand** » September 16, 2017, 1:57 pm

And months later the Customs department will STILL be the only one who really knows

Post by **wazza** » September 16, 2017, 2:01 pm

Im sure some small retail outlets around Thailand will try and gouge a few baht on their stock purchased last week.

Was in Makro yesterday and there were massive buy ups by Mum and Pop operators

Read that a Liquor Licence fee will jump significantly from 4000 ?? to nearly 50000.

Post by **wazza** » September 16, 2017, 2:03 pm

The Royal Gazzette has published it, but in Thai and then its going to hit the shelves this week with the local brewers producing from today at the higher rate.

Post by **papafarang** » September 16, 2017, 2:34 pm

just realized jon, you got 200 types of beer to deal with, oh my Buddha, imagine the confusion just with leo/chang/arch sellers. you must be pulling your hair out mate..... and sugar tax too... I think a salad bar for vegans that don't drink or smoke might work.
hey just realized ,no effect for me.... I don't drink or smoke anymore anyway

Post by **Bandung_Dero** » September 16, 2017, 2:45 pm

My local vendor increased her price by 5 Baht to 575 Baht a box for Leo. OK, she is taking a quick profit -- AS THEY ALL DO -- but it's not going to break the bank!

Post by **GARYZX6R** » September 16, 2017, 2:52 pm

Bandung_Dero wrote: ↑
September 16, 2017, 2:45 pm
My local vendor increased her price by 5 Baht to 575 Baht a box for Leo. OK, she is taking a quick profit -- AS THEY ALL DO -- but it's not going to break the bank!

No but 1000 bht on a bottle of wine is !
Do you really think its only going up 5bht a box ?

Post by **Drunk Monkey** » September 16, 2017, 3:06 pm

papafarang wrote: ↑
September 16, 2017, 2:34 pm
just realized jon, you got 200 types of beer to deal with, oh my Buddha, imagine the confusion just with leo/chang/arch sellers. you must be pulling your hair out mate..... and sugar tax too... I think a salad bar for vegans that don't drink or smoke might work.
hey just realized ,no effect for me.... I don't drink or smoke anymore anyway

Nar ... just gonna suck it n see Dean .. been here too long to get flustered and i lost all my hair years ago ...whatever will be will be .

200 products but many drop in the same categories ...still no clarification on draft kegs tariffs ?? interesting.

Post by **Drunk Monkey** » September 16, 2017, 3:07 pm

Bandung_Dero wrote: ↑
September 16, 2017, 2:45 pm
My local vendor increased her price by 5 Baht to 575 Baht a box for Leo. OK, she is taking a quick profit -- AS THEY ALL DO -- but it's not going to break the bank!

its looking bleak n way more than 5bt per box for sure .

Post by **Bandung_Dero** » September 16, 2017, 3:33 pm

GARYZX6R wrote: ↑
September 16, 2017, 2:52 pm

Bandung_Dero wrote: ↑
September 16, 2017, 2:45 pm
My local vendor increased her price by 5 Baht to 575 Baht a box for Leo. OK, she is taking a quick profit -- AS THEY ALL DO -- but it's not going to break the bank!
No but 1000 bht on a bottle of wine is !
Do you really think its only going up 5bht a box ?

As with the last excise increase:-

Lets see where the price is after the dust settles! After the last excise increase I had seen a 20 Baht/box increase (I was paying 550 Baht) --- the scalpers were charging 590+ until competition forced their hand. Don't forget the nonsense where the last excise increase was gazetted months before the event and most every VENDOR was hording. When the increase date arrived the vendor I had been using tried to sell me swill that was >6 months old = haven't done business with them since

AND also lets not forget the Leo bottle size has reduced to 620 ml without a price reduction during the current pricing period.

Post by **dingdong** » September 16, 2017, 3:57 pm

Band where are ya paying 575 a box for Leo???

Post by **Bandung_Dero** » September 16, 2017, 4:21 pm

Main road coming into Ban Dung from Tesco just opposite Pears Wholesale Fish (and other offil - about 200 metres West of Toyota) on the other side of the road.

Post by **wazza** » September 16, 2017, 7:38 pm

http://m.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1 ... or-smokers

Prices .... as explained...

Post by **Drunk Monkey** » September 16, 2017, 8:28 pm

wazza wrote: ↑
September 16, 2017, 7:38 pm
http://m.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1 ... or-smokers

Prices .... as explained...

Looking at this ,,,which is roughly what i was told earlier this evening ..DM is a very happy chappy ...and we could actually see some of our high end beer products GO DOWN in price all be it only 1 - 2 bt ... much better news than was expected.

DM

Post by **papafarang** » September 16, 2017, 8:51 pm

don't panic Mr Mannering , it was all a hoax thank god

Post by **Benchwarmer10** » September 16, 2017, 9:28 pm

After all, its an increase in excise, not an increase in the total cost of a beverage unit (and we all know the easiest things to tax are what most people enjoy).

My limited understanding to date, is that beer will not be overly affected, maybe 10-25 baht a bottle, hopefully less than 10. Again, to my limited understanding, is that spirits and plonk will cop a hammering, due to the alcohol content, but the definition of "white spirits" remains unclear to me. Is it a reference to Lao Kao & such other rocket fuel only, or does it include gin, white rum, vodka? "White spirits" apparently attract a lesser excise increase.

Who knows, it could be almost anything. TIT! I'll reserve my judgment until I can read the excise increases in English, and wait and see.

Let us all hope that Cpl jones is right, Papafarang

Baz

Post by **747man** » September 16, 2017, 11:22 pm

papafarang wrote: ↑
September 16, 2017, 8:51 pm
don't panic Mr Mannering , it was all a hoax thank god

Post by **Khun Paul** » September 17, 2017, 6:30 am

They seem to be going the protectionism route upping the tax on imported wines more than local wines, which is a shame as local wines is akin to rocket fuel, and in Villa market they were getting a nice selection of imported wines.
We are anywhere we go subject to vagaries of the Governments tax requirements and this one ( Thailand ) the Govt appears to me leaking cash so it needs more . Although I would like to see Lao Kao increased by 1000% to deter Thais and their stupid drinking which is the cause of many road accidents I am sure .

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