The USA does plenty of good!
Perhaps you are an expert on how Americans react.It does seem we are a fickle lot ,easily led by liberal media commentary and body counts!It is obvious,that with time and magnified negative results ,we are wrong and should change our course!
I still hear your anti this and anti that.What I don't hear is what you actually stand for and what leadership you would support?
I still hear your anti this and anti that.What I don't hear is what you actually stand for and what leadership you would support?
Arjay I am shocked that you took my comments in such a vein. I, as an American, am truly happy that Europe, after such a long and arduous journey, has finally emerged from the self-inflicted morass of WWII.
And we Americans should feel proud that our enormous investment is finally paying dividends.
So I say again: Enjoy!! Arjay do not feel defensive or echo the self-doubt of a European mindset of decades past. When you receive a compliment accept it in the vein in which it was given.
Cheers,
THL
And we Americans should feel proud that our enormous investment is finally paying dividends.
So I say again: Enjoy!! Arjay do not feel defensive or echo the self-doubt of a European mindset of decades past. When you receive a compliment accept it in the vein in which it was given.
Cheers,
THL
THL. I have just read your remarks. I come to the conclusion you are either looking for a starring role in the next Hollywood blockbuster about WW11 or indeed you may be seeking to be elected as the next president.
You certainly seem to be well qualified. I don't understand this obvious, is it, resentment or jealousy about europeans in general because if my understanding is correct, most white Americans are descendants of the many nationed european settlers, with Italy, German Jews and Irish being prominent amongst them.
You certainly seem to be well qualified. I don't understand this obvious, is it, resentment or jealousy about europeans in general because if my understanding is correct, most white Americans are descendants of the many nationed european settlers, with Italy, German Jews and Irish being prominent amongst them.
Americans at the River Kwai
Granted, many more English, Welsh, Scots, Dutch and Aussies are buried at the river Kwai. About 540 Americans died there, a small number compared to the Allies, but the American dead were removed to Arlington National Cemetary in Arlington, Va.
This is American custom as evidenced in the ongoing search for remains in SE asia to be returned to the USA.
We don't leave our dead behind.
Lets not forget the many more asian dead, thai's, burmese, that didn't even get buried.
This is American custom as evidenced in the ongoing search for remains in SE asia to be returned to the USA.
We don't leave our dead behind.
Lets not forget the many more asian dead, thai's, burmese, that didn't even get buried.
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I lost track of this thread overnight and have only just spotted it. May I respond:-
ctm, I don't dish it, mate (period).ctm wrote:Why don't you go count the number of offensive posts on here and Thaivisa? Bet it is 50 to 1, English to everyone else. Your going to dish it, learn to take it. Buck up, mate!
Well thank you for your investment in us.thlboston wrote:And we Americans should feel proud that our enormous investment is finally paying dividends.
I wasn't being defensive nor do I suffer from the self doubt of a European mindset ( at least not that i am aware of). Though thanks for the reassurance that it was a compliment. I hadn't spotted it!thlboston wrote:Arjay do not feel defensive or echo the self-doubt of a European mindset of decades past. When you receive a compliment accept it in the vein in which it was given.
Dear THL,
Sadly my history teacher is dead, otherwise I could have told him that he mislead me.
And yes THL you are right,
It was a big big mistake from me to dare to write that the french liberated the americans from the british.
I can understand that this was a big insult to you. I do appologize for this. I should have known better.
I should have written the French "HELPED" with the liberation. This is much better , no.
And I also don't want to mention that the same french donated (whow, yes donated ! ) the Statue of Liberty in 1886.
By the way, on the webside of "The National Park Service" from the US Government, I found the following:
"America probably could not have won its freedom from the British during the American Revolution without the help of the French. France provided arms, ships, money and men to the American colonies. Some Frenchmen - most notably the Marquis de Lafayette, a close friend of George Washington - even became high-ranking officers in the American army. It was an alliance of respect and friendship that the French would not forget."
So perhaps my history teacher, God have his soul, was right after all?????
So lets calm down, be honnest, and say from time to time :"Thank you"
Thank you America for the help in WW in Europe,
Thank you Europe for helping in the cold war
Thank you,...Thank you,.... for so many things (when there still was some kind of cooperation between Europe and the US).
Lets both sides stop from time to time all this over-patriotic talk:
This post started with: "The USA does plenty of good"
Yes, I agree,
but sometimes they forget that other people also did plenty of good.
And I hope that everybody realises that in the long run, we will ALWAYS need each other, a statement that nowadays many times is forgotten.
Sadly my history teacher is dead, otherwise I could have told him that he mislead me.
And yes THL you are right,
It was a big big mistake from me to dare to write that the french liberated the americans from the british.
I can understand that this was a big insult to you. I do appologize for this. I should have known better.
I should have written the French "HELPED" with the liberation. This is much better , no.
And I also don't want to mention that the same french donated (whow, yes donated ! ) the Statue of Liberty in 1886.
By the way, on the webside of "The National Park Service" from the US Government, I found the following:
"America probably could not have won its freedom from the British during the American Revolution without the help of the French. France provided arms, ships, money and men to the American colonies. Some Frenchmen - most notably the Marquis de Lafayette, a close friend of George Washington - even became high-ranking officers in the American army. It was an alliance of respect and friendship that the French would not forget."
So perhaps my history teacher, God have his soul, was right after all?????
So lets calm down, be honnest, and say from time to time :"Thank you"
Thank you America for the help in WW in Europe,
Thank you Europe for helping in the cold war
Thank you,...Thank you,.... for so many things (when there still was some kind of cooperation between Europe and the US).
Lets both sides stop from time to time all this over-patriotic talk:
This post started with: "The USA does plenty of good"
Yes, I agree,
but sometimes they forget that other people also did plenty of good.
And I hope that everybody realises that in the long run, we will ALWAYS need each other, a statement that nowadays many times is forgotten.
U.S. in Thailand during WWII and other blatherings...
Well, in fact the U.S. did have minimal forces in Thailand during WWII, primarily Office of Strategic Services (OSS) who accompanied the Serei Thai (Free Thai) into Thailand to commit acts of sabotage against the Japanese forces in the Kingdom. A group of Thai Serei escaped to the States in 1942 where they were organized and formed into a military unit.
A little known fact (you can Google it) is that While the Thai Government in 1941 forwarded a declaration of war against the U.S. to their Embassy in Washington, their Ambassador never delivered it.. Thus, the U.S. was never formally at war the Thailand..
On the lack of U.S. graves in Kanchanaburi.. Simple, the Commonwealth Forces and the Dutch were the majority captured in SE Asia during the war. As noted in one post, the survivors of one sunk U.S. cruiser (in the Sulu Sea??) and one U.S. Artillery unit along with penny packets of aircrew members were the only U.S. POW's in Thailand.
On the belated entry of the U.S. into WWII, well the Lend-Lease Act provided Britain with a huge amount of supplies from March 11, 1941 and the U.S. was providing aid and assistance prior to that. U.S. Warships escorted convoys halfway to England where the Royal Navy picked them up.. U.S. ships were fired upon and sunk by U-Boats well prior to 7 Dec. 1941.
Any study of the political considerations during the runup to the 1940 Presidential election show Franklin Roosevelt was pledging not to take the U.S. into a "European War".. Rooselvelt was hammered repeatedly by his political foes for favoring Britain over Germany. Pearl Harbor changed that quickly, although again, another history check will show that the U.S. did NOT declare war on Germany and Italy until they as members of the Axis powers declared war on the U.S. in support of their Japanese ally.. We can only wonder what would have happened to Europe if in fact, Hitler had ignored his treaty obligations and not drawn the U.S. into the European front..
Remember, the U.S. (Roosevelt and Marshall) in conjunction with it's British allies decided to fight the war in Europe first and put the Pacific on the back burner..
On the whole string, I see nary a kudo for the shellacking the Red Army gave the Nazis. The Germans had about 70% of their prime divisions on the Eastern Front fighting the Russians. Without the Russians as allies, the European war would not have ended as it did, (No sarcasm intended there!!) Of course, the aftermath of WWII and nearly 50 years of the Cold War made most folks totally forget the contributions of the simple peasant soldiers of Russia... No kudos to that nutjob Stalin for doing what he did in Eastern Europe but any way you look at it, the Russians died in the millions and fought incredibly well..
Oh, a couple of final thoughts.
One comment talked about the immigrants that came to the States from Europe.. Sure, that's absolutely 100% correct.. The question is, why did they come?? Famine, poverty, classicism, the desire to OWN land which most could not afford to do in Europe at the time.. I'm proud of the fact with a Franco/English/Irish/Scotch and maybe a tad of American Indian background (yeah so I'm a mongrel) I have never thought to hyphenate my American heritage.. My three kids, half-Thai, brought up in a military environment also, identiy themselves only as American not "other", not Thai-American, not Asian-American but just plain American... That's the difference in the U.S., despite having folks from all over the world, most citizens see themselves as primarily American.. No balkanzation, no real ethnic conflicts desptie many problems.. Compare that to almost any other country in the world. (excepting perhaps Canada, another melting pot nation)
2nd and last thought.. I've been all over the world.. It's amazing that in every country I've visited I always see a huge line of visa applicants at the U.S. Embassy wanting to go to the United States. The lines are never as long at any other embassy..
A little known fact (you can Google it) is that While the Thai Government in 1941 forwarded a declaration of war against the U.S. to their Embassy in Washington, their Ambassador never delivered it.. Thus, the U.S. was never formally at war the Thailand..
On the lack of U.S. graves in Kanchanaburi.. Simple, the Commonwealth Forces and the Dutch were the majority captured in SE Asia during the war. As noted in one post, the survivors of one sunk U.S. cruiser (in the Sulu Sea??) and one U.S. Artillery unit along with penny packets of aircrew members were the only U.S. POW's in Thailand.
On the belated entry of the U.S. into WWII, well the Lend-Lease Act provided Britain with a huge amount of supplies from March 11, 1941 and the U.S. was providing aid and assistance prior to that. U.S. Warships escorted convoys halfway to England where the Royal Navy picked them up.. U.S. ships were fired upon and sunk by U-Boats well prior to 7 Dec. 1941.
Any study of the political considerations during the runup to the 1940 Presidential election show Franklin Roosevelt was pledging not to take the U.S. into a "European War".. Rooselvelt was hammered repeatedly by his political foes for favoring Britain over Germany. Pearl Harbor changed that quickly, although again, another history check will show that the U.S. did NOT declare war on Germany and Italy until they as members of the Axis powers declared war on the U.S. in support of their Japanese ally.. We can only wonder what would have happened to Europe if in fact, Hitler had ignored his treaty obligations and not drawn the U.S. into the European front..
Remember, the U.S. (Roosevelt and Marshall) in conjunction with it's British allies decided to fight the war in Europe first and put the Pacific on the back burner..
On the whole string, I see nary a kudo for the shellacking the Red Army gave the Nazis. The Germans had about 70% of their prime divisions on the Eastern Front fighting the Russians. Without the Russians as allies, the European war would not have ended as it did, (No sarcasm intended there!!) Of course, the aftermath of WWII and nearly 50 years of the Cold War made most folks totally forget the contributions of the simple peasant soldiers of Russia... No kudos to that nutjob Stalin for doing what he did in Eastern Europe but any way you look at it, the Russians died in the millions and fought incredibly well..
Oh, a couple of final thoughts.
One comment talked about the immigrants that came to the States from Europe.. Sure, that's absolutely 100% correct.. The question is, why did they come?? Famine, poverty, classicism, the desire to OWN land which most could not afford to do in Europe at the time.. I'm proud of the fact with a Franco/English/Irish/Scotch and maybe a tad of American Indian background (yeah so I'm a mongrel) I have never thought to hyphenate my American heritage.. My three kids, half-Thai, brought up in a military environment also, identiy themselves only as American not "other", not Thai-American, not Asian-American but just plain American... That's the difference in the U.S., despite having folks from all over the world, most citizens see themselves as primarily American.. No balkanzation, no real ethnic conflicts desptie many problems.. Compare that to almost any other country in the world. (excepting perhaps Canada, another melting pot nation)
2nd and last thought.. I've been all over the world.. It's amazing that in every country I've visited I always see a huge line of visa applicants at the U.S. Embassy wanting to go to the United States. The lines are never as long at any other embassy..
Dave
Simple answer to the embassy queues. They would be wasting their time trying to get a visa from the UK one
Seriously though, visa's aren't issued by British Embassies any more. The visa service has been privatised its so profitable to take the money, then say no.
Thanks for confirming my previous posting on US involvement in Thailand, and of course for reminding of the declaration of war issued by Thailand on the US which wasn't delivered. I wonder how things would have been if it had? Your correct, statistics show more Germans died on the Russian front than any other. Mainly due to the poor preparation and lack of warm clothing issued to the Nazi army.They literally froze to death.Many historians are of the opinion if Hitler hadn't switched his concentration to the Eastern front he would have been invincible at that time.
As someone who lived on a daily diet of newsreels showing in graphic detail all of this,at the time, I can only say Thank you God.The alternative didn't bear thinking about.
Seriously though, visa's aren't issued by British Embassies any more. The visa service has been privatised its so profitable to take the money, then say no.
Thanks for confirming my previous posting on US involvement in Thailand, and of course for reminding of the declaration of war issued by Thailand on the US which wasn't delivered. I wonder how things would have been if it had? Your correct, statistics show more Germans died on the Russian front than any other. Mainly due to the poor preparation and lack of warm clothing issued to the Nazi army.They literally froze to death.Many historians are of the opinion if Hitler hadn't switched his concentration to the Eastern front he would have been invincible at that time.
As someone who lived on a daily diet of newsreels showing in graphic detail all of this,at the time, I can only say Thank you God.The alternative didn't bear thinking about.
FrazeeDK,My three kids, half-Thai, brought up in a military environment also, identiy themselves only as American not "other", not Thai-American, not Asian-American but just plain American... That's the difference in the U.S., despite having folks from all over the world, most citizens see themselves as primarily American.. No balkanzation, no real ethnic conflicts desptie many problems.. Compare that to almost any other country in the world. (excepting perhaps Canada, another melting pot nation)
You got it right on there.
In Europe, The Nederlands, is one of the best melting pot nations of Europe.
Well in the US the will call an immigrated Turk an Amercan; and he is proud to be an American!
In The Nederlands he will call himself a Dutch Turk. And he will be more proud to be a Turk than a Dutchman.
And this is already a big problem for Europe now, and it will be an enormous problem in the near future.
This reminds me of a conversation I had with my father when I was probably 7 or 8 years old. I asked my dad: "Dad, what are we? Am I Irish, American, Irish-American, Irish-Catholic..." My dad said simply: Son, if anybody asks you what you are you tell them you're an American.
That is a nice memory for me.
Cheers,
THL
That is a nice memory for me.
Cheers,
THL
Asians in America
yes, Many Asians maintain their Asian roots. BUT!! they tend to quickly assimilate into the local business culture.. When it comes to capitalistac pursuits they are 100% American..!
Dave