Falangs Invade Udon Thani

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Falangs Invade Udon Thani

Post by KHONDAHM » March 20, 2010, 5:28 pm

I waited a while to say this, but daym there are a heckuva lot more falangs around than when I lived here in 2006. I mean, it's a relative population EXPLOSION.

I recall my first visit to the wife's village in 2004. We spent some time in Udon and days would pass before I'd see another foreigner. In 2006, I'd see maybe 1 per day. Now their friggin' EVERYWHERE. No, I'm serious. I have gone Samloring down some very remote backroads and encountered foreigners even there. The old Lotus and downtown area are teaming with them. And the thing that REALLY struck me is that I barely get a second glance; compared to 2004-6 when people would literally stop and gawk at me and my family were out shopping. I'm lovin' it. I feel anonymous (finally!). I've also encountered a few guys like me who are all living in the area. This town really is developing.
and it can be seen everywhere. Who knows...if enough come and settle down over the next few years, perhaps there will finally be a school with a real English program...



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Re: Falangs Invade Udon Thani

Post by rickfarang » March 20, 2010, 6:34 pm

I say we put them all on a ship and send them back to where they came from!

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Post by parrot » March 20, 2010, 7:20 pm

aye aye matey

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Post by Astana » March 20, 2010, 8:02 pm

rickfarang wrote:I say we put them all on a ship and send them back to where they came from!
Excluding the crew who would you start with? :D

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Post by nkstan » March 20, 2010, 9:37 pm

And these are falangs with these suggestions?This is such a selfless and sharing community,give yourselves a hand! =D> =D> =D>

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Post by patriot » March 20, 2010, 10:39 pm

rickfarang wrote:I say we put them all on a ship and send them back to where they came from!
Can't mate, the river is unnavigable; dried out.

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Re: Falangs Invade Udon Thani

Post by Texpat » March 21, 2010, 12:14 am

Couldn't live in Udon. Too many falang nutjobs.
Maybe, in 30 years, their sphere of influence will extend to me -- I can always explore euthanasia.

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Post by Laan Yaa Mo » March 21, 2010, 2:12 am

nkstan wrote:And these are falangs with these suggestions?This is such a selfless and sharing community,give yourselves a hand! =D> =D> =D>

Yes, it makes one wonder about the mindset of some farangs, doesn't it?

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Post by pompui » March 21, 2010, 3:01 am

KHONDAHM wrote:I waited a while to say this, but daym there are a heckuva lot more falangs around than when I lived here in 2006. I mean, it's a relative population EXPLOSION.
And some of them are 'balloon chasers' following the lead from some members on this forum :shock: :D

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Post by Prenders88 » March 21, 2010, 3:29 am

I wonder what the Thai's think about the Farang invasion.
Since 1998 I've noticed attitudes have hardened.

More are moving here because you can get everything you want in Udon, where before you had to live in Bangkok, or on the Eastern Seaboard places like Pattaya. Housing is much cheaper,and you get a lot of bang for your buck.

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Post by KHONDAHM » March 21, 2010, 4:58 am

IMHO, what I am witnessing is the phenomena I previously suggested was happening in another thread last year. Basically two things:

1. Expats from other cities are feeling priced out of or crowded in other cities.
2. Retirees are discovering the really can't retire in their home country and are making the move to Thailand.

I think thevelocity of the population explosion will increase as the baby boomer generation retires in greater numbers each year. That along with the worsening global economic problems which are especially acute in the USA where senior citizens often need 2 jobs to make ends meet (not sure what it's like on the ground in Europe) will push more foreigners to Udon.

I think the trend is that newbies first go to the sin cities, meet a lass and go settle and/or newbies go to the sin cities making them overcrowded and "not like before" which prompts long-term expats to pack up and move to (literally) greener pastures.

In that thread, in which I was posting prior to my return, I suggested that may be the motivation for a lot of the new development: new immigration facilities, new foriegner catering retail outlets, improved transportation services and facilities to get to Udon, etc., etc. I am convinced from what I have observed so far that my hypothesis was correct.

I also expect to see a lot more catering to the Chinese in the coming years as the bride shortage brought about by their decades of 1 couple 1 child policy and the preference for sons really starts to hit them hard. We're talking a huge shortage on the order of ~24 million more guys of marriage age than there are available wives. They are going to get them from somewhere, and with their increasing prosperity, they have the means to look aggressively beyond just the bordering countries.

Here's a clue: Don Bosco does not have an English program, but they do have a Chinese program...

Chinese Bride shortage
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html

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Post by jimboLV » March 21, 2010, 5:25 am

KD, as a recent retiree to Udon, category 2 above, I think you are spot on with your analysis. Having lived in, and been a part of, the explosive growth in some areas of the US, I see signs of such growth in Udon, and probably other areas of Thailand. Such growth has mixed blessings, however. I remember moving into a new housing development on the outskirts of Denver in the early seventies. A friend from work, a long time resident, came to visit, looked out wistfully at the sea of new houses, and said "You know, when we were kids we used to ride our bikes out to this very spot and hunt snakes. There was nothing here but desert." I'm sure the very house I'm living in now (Lake Garden City) used to be a hunting ground for Thai kids, hunting whatever it is that Thai kids hunt. Life goes on.

As far as China goes, I agree with you totally, and have felt that way for the past 15 years when I traveled throughout China. All i can say is that if I am still around when my baby daughter starts to school, I am going to make sure she learns Chinese, as well as English and the local jargon.

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Post by Laan Yaa Mo » March 21, 2010, 5:38 am

KHONDAHM wrote:IMHO, what I am witnessing is the phenomena I previously suggested was happening in another thread last year. Basically two things:

1. Expats from other cities are feeling priced out of or crowded in other cities.
2. Retirees are discovering the really can't retire in their home country and are making the move to Thailand.

I think thevelocity of the population explosion will increase as the baby boomer generation retires in greater numbers each year. That along with the worsening global economic problems which are especially acute in the USA where senior citizens often need 2 jobs to make ends meet (not sure what it's like on the ground in Europe) will push more foreigners to Udon.

I think the trend is that newbies first go to the sin cities, meet a lass and go settle and/or newbies go to the sin cities making them overcrowded and "not like before" which prompts long-term expats to pack up and move to (literally) greener pastures.

In that thread, in which I was posting prior to my return, I suggested that may be the motivation for a lot of the new development: new immigration facilities, new foriegner catering retail outlets, improved transportation services and facilities to get to Udon, etc., etc. I am convinced from what I have observed so far that my hypothesis was correct.

I also expect to see a lot more catering to the Chinese in the coming years as the bride shortage brought about by their decades of 1 couple 1 child policy and the preference for sons really starts to hit them hard. We're talking a huge shortage on the order of ~24 million more guys of marriage age than there are available wives. They are going to get them from somewhere, and with their increasing prosperity, they have the means to look aggressively beyond just the bordering countries.

Here's a clue: Don Bosco does not have an English program, but they do have a Chinese program...

Chinese Bride shortage
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html



As mentioned by someone, maybe me, on another thread a year or so ago, the Chinese already have a strong presence in Udonthani, northern Thailand, Laos and Burma. In that thread was quoted an announcement by the Chinese Embassy in Thailand that there were going to set up free Mandarin lessons for the locals, somewhere over 200 schools, or maybe it was 150.

Look at those tour buses pulling up to the Chinese hotels in Chiang Mai (i.e. Diamond River [Nam Phet]), and you will see that they are filled with tourists from China. Mind you, not all of them all looking for brides. A few former students told me that in China, Thailand is famous for ladyboys, and the Chinese come to check investigate this attraction.

Chinese investment projects in communications and hydroelectric dams are forging ahead in Burma, Laos and Thailand. With the projects come male Chinese. Of course they will be attracted to Thai females. Weren't you (not you in particular Khon Dahm, but the readers in general)?

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Post by thrilled » March 21, 2010, 7:05 am

I hope it doesn't get like chiang mai,just to many farangs.It makes the prices higher.If it does im headed to khonkaen.

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Post by Laan Yaa Mo » March 21, 2010, 7:14 am

thrilled wrote:I hope it doesn't get like chiang mai,just to many farangs.It makes the prices higher.If it does im headed to khonkaen.

Oh no, well there goes the neighbourhood in Khon Kaen as I cross that one off the list.

I hope no-one is going to Nakhon Phanom.

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Post by KHONDAHM » March 21, 2010, 7:22 am

thrilled wrote:I hope it doesn't get like chiang mai,just to many farangs. It makes the prices higher.If it does im headed to khonkaen.
Funny you should mention KK as that was my first choice since they already have schools with English programs, but the wife won. Methinks the last bastion of what long-timers remember as "the real Thailand" is or may become Ubon or smaller places like Siseket (sp?).

Wife just confirmed KK is already saturated with falang. Appears the herd is moving north by northeast. ;)

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Re: Falangs Invade Udon Thani

Post by trubrit » March 21, 2010, 7:36 am

I think the influx of those from Europe and America will decline as the value of their currency declines. There are many here that appear to be struggling already to qualify for their visa's at the current exchange rate, especially those on marriage visa's .I am sorry but coupled with the inflation we are also experiencing ,it is not viable to expect to raise a family on 1,500$ pensions per month much longer .On the other hand . The Chinese currency is improving along with a better living standard at home, which will give increased spending power to them. Making them more attractive as suitors to the younger Thai ladies. This coupled with their better understanding of the Asian mind set will increase their desirability to the detriment of us poor , "you don't understand me" farangs .

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Post by KHONDAHM » March 21, 2010, 7:53 am

I see your point about the decline of the currency, but at the same time, with a devalued currency everything will be far more expensive back "home". The US import just about everything directly or relies upon critical components from abroad for things made domestically.

The real savings is in the cost of food and housing. Even if those two doubled in Thailand due to a devalued currency, they would still be a fraction of what one would pay back "home" given that all the input costs would soar as the currency devalues.

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Post by trubrit » March 21, 2010, 8:21 am

KHONDAHM wrote:

The real savings is in the cost of food and housing. Even if those two doubled in Thailand due to a devalued currency, they would still be a fraction of what one would pay back "home" given that all the input costs would soar as the currency devalues.
Ah but the cost or value of your house here doesn't help you to qualify for the visa. Does it?

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Post by jorg » March 21, 2010, 8:58 am

Tilokarat wrote:<> I hope no-one is going to Nakhon Phanom.
Too late ;)

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