New hotel?

Post by **BobHelm** » December 3, 2016, 4:37 pm

No, to be completely honest, I do not get your point LA.
Personally I believe, as I have already said, that your only point was to be deliberately disruptive.
As it has often been on here... which is a real pity..

Post by **trubrit** » December 3, 2016, 4:57 pm

Not about a new hotel but in keeping with the many latest posts. The problem as I see it is twofold. Firstly many sponsors are desperately trying to make the forum work for them by constantly writing about their business, this has a secondary effect, that their posts outnumber the usual forum discussions which we all loved so much, which then leads to the old regular contributors like myself, who quite honestly, don't need to know what various bar/restaurants are presenting, nor do we need to know about hotels and accomodation, after all we live here .The same goes for selling motorbikes , houses or many other things .Other than the weekly shopping and where to find those elusive items, the adverts are a total waste on me and I suspect many others too .So the general discussions we used to enjoy are dimishing whilst the ads are increasingly taking up space .So it leads to an increasing cycle where the forum becomes less interesting to the general members who stop contributing , whilst the commercials are presently increasing. So soon the only persons reading it are fellow sponsors .Whats the answer? I really don't know but its becoming obvious that whilst the need for income is neccessary to run it, the pursuit of income beyond that is destructive to the main pupose of the forum , a social outlet for those that use it.
This is not intended as a critical post but purely my observation .

Post by **Drunk Monkey** » December 3, 2016, 5:29 pm

Some valid points posted by Panmotor , 12345 , the monk and trubrit .... i can only comment on how i perceive the forum , yes lots of sponsors and less discussion threads ,,,but still plenty of advice and exchanges of information , sporting banter and other topics some a bit daft but thats what makes the forum ..ISNT IT ...DO AGREE a lot of the old school members n posters have drifted away which is a shame .

BTW ... AS OF NOW 11 OF THE 32 RECENT THREADS ON THE HOME PAGE ARE SPONSOR THREADS ,,, ONE THIRD .

DM

Post by **papafarang** » December 3, 2016, 6:50 pm

same old stories, the prime function of UM is advertising, it also has a forum attached too it, the problem is that many restaurants regularly come up with new menu's ,promotions. and why pay for a this if you cant advertise ? like me , theres no point in me advertising fresh baked pie's 2 days after they were baked ,i could wait and only post weekly, which defeats the object really, same with pan motors, if he has a good deal on a bike, someone somewhere is looking for it. same with Udon Tap, if jon drives all the way to Bangkok and back to pick up new beers, he needs to tell people about it. I can't think of any sponsor that posts in the hope of a reply, and if your not interested in some ones products just move on to the next thread. I have no interest in football but I'm sure there's plenty of football fans that are. ,and I have never once looked at any thread about football. do I complain about too many football threads, no ..because I have no interest. if you don't drink beer no point reading Udon tap, if your not in the market for buying or selling a bike then no point looking at pan motors, same if you only eat thai food no point in reading about pie's.
simple if YOU have no interest in sponsors threads , don't make the same mistake of thinking every one is not interested. for every one person not interested there are 20 that are. perhaps the lack of subjects is down to people getting sick of the victor meldrew complaints, or some members thinking their the only posters and no one else just reads the forums. plenty of readers that are not members.
so I say it again not interested ,don't read it then. not a hard decision really. just looked myself, 6 threads I opened as I had an interest, 24 just ignored as not interested . shall I rant about not enough to interest me

Post by **papafarang** » December 3, 2016, 6:57 pm

heres a good example 4 threads dedicated to football ... if I was a victor meldrew I could start a thread complaining about it, but I'm smart enough to figure out some are interested

Post by **trubrit** » December 3, 2016, 7:12 pm

I hope you didn't think my post was a rant, it definitely wasn't, I am long past the point of caring enough to do that .
It was an honest attempt to explain the problem as I see it .Yes you right if your not interested don't read it, simple answer. But think about it , you yourself admit to skipping many topics as of no interest to you. I personally very rarely open more than two on my infrequent visits , chosen by topic or my experience of the poster. Now if we are all being that selective on what we read, whats the point either posting or advertising, no ones reading it . Bang , end of forum.
I have been a member, more than ten years and I can honestly say it has never been as boring as it currently is before .
Of course there will always be topics of no interest to certain members, but it's got to the stage where it is extremely rare to participate in a good debate .I am surprised this one has been allowed to go on , maybe I speak too soon .

Post by **monkeyman** » December 3, 2016, 7:28 pm

good post Dean,,, says it all really....

Post by **papafarang** » December 3, 2016, 8:52 pm

Not at all TB. just pointing out we have been through this and flogged it to death. but instead of pointing out advertisers, what about pointing out members for NOT posting interesting subjects. perhaps members just need to put more effort into interesting subjects,i think the real problem is the members not doing enough. chiropractor I don't need, dentist to look after what few teeth I have ,not really. F1 racing not really, bar culture... all been said before, murdered baby ..no thanks....English bye election. can you imagine what it would be like if sponsors didn't advertise, we wouldn't know where to get a sunday lunch , where to get a good beer, whos baking fresh sausage rolls or where to learn horse riding . we advertise to inform. where would Tesco be if it didn't advertise 20 times a day on tv. its a bit like junk mail, you collect it, glance at it in case its something you might want ,and then you bin it. everyone hates junk mail, but junk mail is a fact of life.

Post by **Stevo** » December 3, 2016, 9:01 pm

papafarang wrote:same old stories, the prime function of UM is advertising, it also has a forum attached too it,

I think you've nailed it right there, Dean... but for some of us that remember the way it was a decade or more ago, it was the complete opposite, i.e. 'A forum, with advertising attached to it'.
It's clear to most that the forum has taken a back seat nowadays, and the site has become more of an advertising portal... no problem with that, although I have to agree with comments already made that without the forum side, the advertising (on the forum side) becomes a tad repetitive and overwhelming... which can induce a negative effect, e.g. pretty much any software you might want to download has Google facking Chrome attached to it! and if it's being force fed to me, I DON'T WANT IT!

Post by **Nigglyb** » December 3, 2016, 9:27 pm

papafarang wrote:everyone hates junk mail, but junk mail is a fact of life.

I'd just like to give a shout out to the post office for delivering my recycling box contents to me every day

Post by **Udon Map** » December 4, 2016, 12:39 pm

A few general comments....

12345 wrote:I do believe posting about non sponsor hotels would be the same as posting about non sponsor restaurants.......wouldn't exactly be fair to the sponsors.

Just sayin......

Along with ''Today's shopping tip" as sponsor vendors offer grocery items also.

Consistency.......

I don't see any problem with posting about a non-sponsor hotel which apparently is little more than a hole in the ground with plans to build a hotel at some point in the future. That doesn't mean that it will be built; we've seen more than one condo announced, model built, then abandoned. And it might be interesting to people who live or work in the neighborhood, as well.

the-monk wrote:I agree with Mr Maaka...I also got the impression that the sponsors had taken over, I feel that the forum has lost several old timers whose contributions made the backbone of this forum.

I think that i never visited any Udmap sponsor s premise so when i post my intention is to help serve the members,for instance recently there has been a topic/discussion about roasted chicken, yesterday i came across a new roast-chicken supplier, info that i have yet shared with the members. Maybe it would compete with some UDONMAP sponsors, maybe not i don t know and i don t care, i will post it later today for the sole benefit of the members which should come first.

If and when UDONMAP should remove one of my post such as the ones on << This week shopping deal >> i would simply close my account and move on. Most info on the UDFORUM can be obtained on other sites,,, would the UDONMAP sponsors be able to reach their target LOCAL clientele via forums located hundreds of km away ??
An expat based Forum like this one should be first and foremost an EXCHANGE platform.....

New roast chicken supplier? There's a fairly new thread about five star chicken. Is that the one? Not a sponsor.

It's true, of course, that sponsors can post more than non-sponsors. Sponsors can and do post menus, unlimited photos, maps to their location, etc. Non-sponsors can't do that. As I've posted in the restaurant thread, feel free to post about a non-sponsor place including one or two photos of what you ate (or bought), and a brief description. The fact remains that the sponsors are paying for the right to put details about their businesses on Udon Map.

And, no, we don't remove items from the This Week's Shopping Deal thread because the places to buy them are not sponsors. That thread is for shopping deals. I believe that you'll find that most of the shopping deals are from non-sponsors.

Post by **stattointhailand** » December 4, 2016, 3:10 pm

Got it nailed in one Dean "same old stories, the prime function of UM is advertising, it also has a forum attached too it, "

Udon map for ADVERTISING, the FORUM is attached for Non Advertising chit chat =D> =D> =D> :-"

Post by **Chuchi** » August 6, 2017, 11:32 am

There now seems to be a For sale sign on the plot of land next to Prajak Hotel,you'd think the main developers would be scrambling for it, does anyone know of any rules,laws regarding the building of a condo at the lake.

Post by **Chuchi** » April 11, 2018, 7:11 am

There is now a corregated looking wall ,with an advertisement displaying Nirvana Beyond,anybody have any more information.

Post by **glalt** » April 12, 2018, 10:46 am

BobHelm wrote: ↑
December 3, 2016, 4:28 pm
If you see asking a question about a, yet unbuilt, hotel to be 'disrespectful' to Hotel Sponsors then it is probably just as well you do not own the Forum..

Just an observation...

It is silly to think that a non-existent hotel is a threat to sponsors.

Post by **mak** » April 12, 2018, 1:52 pm

Nirvana Beyond.

Post by **IsanRealEstate** » April 12, 2018, 5:36 pm

glalt wrote: ↑
April 12, 2018, 10:46 am

BobHelm wrote: ↑
December 3, 2016, 4:28 pm
If you see asking a question about a, yet unbuilt, hotel to be 'disrespectful' to Hotel Sponsors then it is probably just as well you do not own the Forum..

Just an observation...
It is silly to think that a non-existent hotel is a threat to sponsors.

Hi Bob and glalt,
Yes we know about that land and what is planned. We have a brokerage agreement and discussions are taking place.
With building regulations and compliance, yes, there is very strict procedure the developers must abide by.
I will leave it there for now.

Sawasdee Pii Mai to all
Stay safe over the holiday period.

Mangement
Isan Real Estate Co., Ltd.

Post by **Chuchi** » April 13, 2018, 9:42 am

mak wrote: ↑
April 12, 2018, 1:52 pm
Nirvana Beyond.

Look nice, price of land there you must be looking at 25-30 million baht plus surely

Post by **mak** » April 13, 2018, 8:30 pm

Word on the street: joint venture between the family who owns the Prakatra Hotel and Nirvana Daii PLC.

Post by **Chuchi** » April 14, 2018, 7:04 am

mak wrote: ↑
April 13, 2018, 8:30 pm
Word on the street: joint venture between the family who owns the Prakatra Hotel and Nirvana Daii PLC.

Cheers mak,as far as I’m aware they are the owners so that would make sense,I originally labeled this post new hotel? ,but I was hoping a condominium was to be built.i would have definitely been interested in purchasing a condo due to the location,which comes to my next point that there must be building laws/ restrictions regarding land around the lake otherwise the big condo players would have been queuing up in my opinion.

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