200,000 baht fee to work in Japan

Post by **oldtimeudon** » January 15, 2019, 9:50 am

Good morning, does anyone have knowledge of the government scheme for young Thais to work in Japan.
after being in school in Bandung till March this year my wifes daughter 24 (not sure what school they go to
at that age) my wifes daughter has declared she wants to work in Japan.
she has phoned from Udon Thani to inform the wife she needs 200,000 baht for her fee's to get enrolled
on this government backed scheme, has anyone got knowledge of this.

I am not sure all is ok? as she is also stating that starting wage is 60.000 per month.
we have been up in Udon but nothing was mentioned until we landed back in Chon Buri.

if it had been mentioned during our recent visit I would of checked it out myself,

thanks for any info.

Natas · Post by **Natas** » January 15, 2019, 3:30 pm

I have some knowledge for this. As a certain (not related) step-sister is also still in School and yapping to the family about Japan.
I have a friend who works for the local Udon Regional Government. Their department is Labor.
My friend told me the hardest country for Thai to work in is Japan. They can make great money...
Agencies doing placements could charge the 200k. The Gov. office is not that much. Thai have to speak Japanese, pass an exam, have no tattoos and need to be able to swim.
Now I thought this was crazy but I wanted to know because of my lying family member.
To confirm this I have met Thai who have worked in Japan. They said the above is true.
Good luck.

Post by **jai yen yen** » January 15, 2019, 11:53 pm

I would contact the Japanese embassy or immigration. I know some Thais get ripped off by so called agencies charging fees to work in other countries. Probably the best route would be to apply directly for a work permit through Japanese immigration.

Post by **sometimewoodworker** » January 15, 2019, 11:54 pm

SWMBO has worked on and off in Japan for about 10 years.
There are certainly agencies who are genuine who may have those rules, they may also be able to offer jobs paying that kind of money, though it seems a little high as a starter.

The conditions certainly don't apply to everyone.
No visible tattoos is almost universally correct. Speaking Japanese helps but isn't a requirement neither is swimming

There are also scam agencies.

Before tax and living expenses it is certainly possible to earn something between ฿35,000 ~ ฿75,000 PCM
I have Thai friends earning ฿120,000 PCM pre tax in a good month,
All the above are legal jobs.

To give anything more specific there would need to be a lot more detail.

Post by **sometimewoodworker** » January 16, 2019, 12:03 am

jai yen yen wrote: ↑
January 15, 2019, 11:53 pm
I would contact the Japanese embassy or immigration. I know some Thais get ripped off by so called agencies charging fees to work in other countries. Probably the best route would be to apply directly for a work permit through Japanese immigration.

You need a job waiting for before you can get a work permit in Japan and your employer has to apply.

Natas · Post by **Natas** » January 16, 2019, 12:26 am

sometimewoodworker wrote: ↑
January 16, 2019, 12:03 am

jai yen yen wrote: ↑
January 15, 2019, 11:53 pm
I would contact the Japanese embassy or immigration. I know some Thais get ripped off by so called agencies charging fees to work in other countries. Probably the best route would be to apply directly for a work permit through Japanese immigration.
You need a job waiting for before you can get a work permit in Japan and your employer has to apply.

I was told that also and they will come over to get the Thai person.
My advice is to check with the Thai Government. There are reasons why they have these departments to help people go work in Korea, Japan, ETC.

Post by **pipoz4444** » January 16, 2019, 12:39 am

I might be wrong but having worked in Korea and seen similar offers for Thai and Philippine girls, while is was there and where some of them ended up, I would question how legitimate the offer is, Government backed or not. My suspicion tells me that the girls would end up in the escort or entertainment venues? I might be wrong

There are better options available than working in Japan and or Korea, if the Thai girl is fluent in English. If not fluent in English have your wife's daughter do a 2 year Uni course in Thailand in pure English, then apply for an Administrative position in the Middle East with a reputable Company. UAE, Qatar and Oman are safe for the younger girls to work with the right Companies and they all have Thai Embassies and reasonable size Thai Expat communities for help and assistance. =D>

My Indonesian and Philippine Secretaries and Document Control/Data Entry girls (26-35 years old), get paid the equivalent of TB 80,000 per month, plus they get a Company paid Flight home every year with 24 days paid annual leave, plus Company paid Medical Insurance/Cover, plus TB 60,000 gratuity for every Year of Service. Their Accommodation & Food && Transport costs are around TB 25,000 - 27,000 per month. 48 Hours work per week, during the days.

Have a Thai Architect (He is 40 years old) who gets TB 148,000 per month, plus get a Company paid Flight home every year with 24 days paid annual leave, plus Company paid Medical Insurance, plus TB 106,000 gratuity for every Year of Service. He has been here 6 years and just bought his first Condo in BKK. His Accommodation & Food & Transport to work, cost each TB 33,000 per month.

PS No Tax either. $\:D/$ $\:D/$

It is also illegal (here) for Agents to charge the Individual a Fee for the job, only the Company hiring that individual is allowed to pay a recruitment agency.

Just my two cents worth, but the girls need a good command of English, not a Perfect one.

pipoz4444

Post by **Hoopoe** » January 16, 2019, 7:09 am

On the dodgy side ,there's always (re Japan & Korea ) the tourist trip then disappear once you get there ,Korea was 15,000 bht 4 years ago , and i believe Japan 20,000bht , both for a 5 day guided tour ,i have 2 friends who went to Japan some 6 years ago did the disappearing trick and worked illegally for 5 years , clearing 50,000bht a month each ,(it's better if you have knowledge of people already there ,) They wern't short of brass to start with , but even more so now .
I don't have further info on this but it seem's all the Tour company's operate out of BKK ,
On the Korea side of it , My 2 step sons did the same tour disappearing trick ,1 worked for 2 year's (BUT , quite often they got paid very late ,and hired and fired at will ) The other 1 stayed there for 4 year's (came back October last year ,was tired of the cold /snowy winters there ) they both earned 40,000 - 50,000 bht per month clear ,( BUT there were a couple of times they didn't get paid ) The Immigration police in Korea seem to do the illegal working bust's around November each year .
On leaving Korea (this bit i find interesting ) both of them had funds to pay for the flights back ,( the second one his passport had run out ,He had to go to the Thai Embassy to get another one ) at the Airport /immigration , they both were questioned,only briefly ,AND NO RED STAMP OR REFUSAL TO RE_ ENTER was put in their passports ,i found this hard to believe so checked both passports , and it is FACT ,
Will it only become so if they ever apply for a visa again , Ie, it's only on the computer system , is anyone's guess ,
AS stated this is the dodgy way , flawed with possible problems ,Would i let my step daughter/ Daughter do this , hell no , but then would i get a say in the matter , TIT

Post by **sometimewoodworker** » January 16, 2019, 8:22 am

Natas wrote: ↑
January 16, 2019, 12:26 am

sometimewoodworker wrote: ↑
January 16, 2019, 12:03 am

jai yen yen wrote: ↑
January 15, 2019, 11:53 pm
I would contact the Japanese embassy or immigration. I know some Thais get ripped off by so called agencies charging fees to work in other countries. Probably the best route would be to apply directly for a work permit through Japanese immigration.
You need a job waiting for before you can get a work permit in Japan and your employer has to apply.
I was told that also and they will come over to get the Thai person.
My advice is to check with the Thai Government. There are reasons why they have these departments to help people go work in Korea, Japan, ETC.

Assuming a legal job the employer will have got a certificate of eligibility, this is then presented to the Japanese embassy in Bangkok with the visa application form, the embassy then checks that it is genuine (SWMBO's took almost a week) and decide if they want to issue a visa.

If visas are issued an employer may have someone escort the Thai group from here as part of the fee that is paid, not so likely for an individual.

There are certainly people who have overstayed a tour and worked in Japan, some have made good money before being picked up by immigration police, I know a few who are still there. It isn't a good life even if it isn't in a Yakusua controlled job. They can't move around freely (if they can go out at all) as the police do tend to know everyone in their area and visit occasionally (we had several visits over the years). Even traveling in Tokyo where there are millions of people using each of 7 or 8 biggest stations every day SWMBO had her ID checked on average twice a week, sometimes over 30 times a month.

Make sure that there is a visa issued in Bangkok if the person going gets it them self it's much less likely to be a fake offer. If it's all done by agencies be very suspicious.

Having said all that most of our friends were legal, many earned somewhere between reasonable to excellent money, quite a few have Japanese husbands, some will stay there permanently though for most it's only temporary.

Natas · Post by **Natas** » January 16, 2019, 7:24 pm

Instead of "my wife" said this or "cousin Din" said. Here is the actual link to the Udon Thani Gov site. https://www.doe.go.th/udonthani/

I am not sure this is an expat thing or whatever here. If you are going to talk legit info... Hearsay is hearsay. Post actual links to legit information..
Experiences are different for all.

Post by **sometimewoodworker** » January 16, 2019, 10:33 pm

Natas wrote: ↑
January 16, 2019, 7:24 pm
Instead of "my wife" said this or "cousin Din" said. Here is the actual link to the Udon Thani Gov site. https://www.doe.go.th/udonthani/

I am not sure this is an expat thing or whatever here. If you are going to talk legit info... Hearsay is hearsay. Post actual links to legit information..
Experiences are different for all.

Believe what you like, discount the experiences of the benefits and problems of people living there if you wish, the websites you are so keen to believe are not likely to tell you the downsides of living and working in Japan. Having lived in Tokyo for a while I have first hand knowledge.

Experiences of our friends living in Japan have many more similarities than differences despite the various jobs and situations they are in. This is unlike the situation of foreign residents in Thailand for obvious reasons.

Natas · Post by **Natas** » January 16, 2019, 11:47 pm

sometimewoodworker wrote: ↑
January 16, 2019, 10:33 pm

Natas wrote: ↑
January 16, 2019, 7:24 pm
Instead of "my wife" said this or "cousin Din" said. Here is the actual link to the Udon Thani Gov site. https://www.doe.go.th/udonthani/

I am not sure this is an expat thing or whatever here. If you are going to talk legit info... Hearsay is hearsay. Post actual links to legit information..
Experiences are different for all.
Believe what you like, discount the experiences of the benefits and problems of people living there if you wish, the websites you are so keen to believe are not likely to tell you the downsides of living and working in Japan. Having lived in Tokyo for a while I have first hand knowledge.

Experiences of our friends living in Japan have many more similarities than differences despite the various jobs and situations they are in. This is unlike the situation of foreign residents in Thailand for obvious reasons.

YOU ARE NOT THAI! YOU DO NOT WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT HERE!!
So keep your Expat Advice to Expats getting work in Japan. Leave the Thai people to go to the right Government Department to find out their options.
Seriously I care less how much time you spent in Japan or whereever you have lived. Your advice is for you and your passport you hold.
My GF works at a Government office actually. I let her read your thread.
I will not repeat what she said.
Have a good day and go preach to your wife or friends or whatever the hell you do in your spare time

Post by **sometimewoodworker** » January 17, 2019, 1:04 pm

Natas wrote: ↑
January 16, 2019, 11:47 pm

YOU ARE NOT THAI! YOU DO NOT WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT HERE!!
So keep your Expat Advice to Expats getting work in Japan. Leave the Thai people to go to the right Government Department to find out their options.
Seriously I care less how much time you spent in Japan or whereever you have lived. Your advice is for you and your passport you hold.
My GF works at a Government office actually. I let her read your thread.
I will not repeat what she said.
Have a good day and go preach to your wife or friends or whatever the hell you do in your spare time

You may now put your toys back into your pram, and your blinkers back on.

I made no comments on or about government programs or people going to Japan on government programs (other than to suggest that an individual escort is unlikely) as you will have seen had you actually bothered to read what was written.

You are not the only poster in this thread.

The experiences are of a substantial number of Thai passport holding friends living in various cities in Japan.

My experiences would be irrelevant as I am not of Asian descent so did not experience the Japanese anti Asian attitude that they were, and are, subjected to.

However "Plonk"

Natas · Post by **Natas** » January 17, 2019, 1:39 pm

sometimewoodworker wrote: ↑
January 17, 2019, 1:04 pm

Natas wrote: ↑
January 16, 2019, 11:47 pm

YOU ARE NOT THAI! YOU DO NOT WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT HERE!!
So keep your Expat Advice to Expats getting work in Japan. Leave the Thai people to go to the right Government Department to find out their options.
Seriously I care less how much time you spent in Japan or whereever you have lived. Your advice is for you and your passport you hold.
My GF works at a Government office actually. I let her read your thread.
I will not repeat what she said.
Have a good day and go preach to your wife or friends or whatever the hell you do in your spare time
You may now put your toys back into your pram, and your blinkers back on.

I made no comments on or about government programs or people going to Japan on government programs (other than to suggest that an individual escort is unlikely) as you will have seen had you actually bothered to read what was written.

You are not the only poster in this thread.

The experiences are of a substantial number of Thai passport holding friends living in various cities in Japan.

My experiences would be irrelevant as I am not of Asian descent so did not experience the Japanese anti Asian attitude that they were, and are, subjected to.

However "Plonk"

You are right you do not work for the Government. The original question was about the cost of 200k through an Agency. As I stated above I have had dealings with a family member yapping about wanting to go to Japan.
You had to add how your Wife, family, friends and yourself have worked there... That is great. But it still you did not add to the conversation except for "This is what it is like over there"..
Two months ago there was a line up of over 6000 people behind Landmark. My GF and her coworkers were there to help them get through paperwork for Job Placements in Korea.
I added to this post because my GF and I have these conversations about the people outside the "cities" want to work so badly overseas. We will not get into what country is the worst.
You are not the only poster on this Thread either.
So maybe you should start an agency, charge 200k to help Thai people to get jobs in Japan... Seeming you are so experienced with it.
Instead of trying to make "pram" jokes. Why do you stick to drinking Lao Kaow, spending another million baht on your silly fortress you built for your wife (or whatever), herd some Kwai or do whatever it is you do in the village.
Have a good day.

Post by **runrunshaw** » January 17, 2019, 2:28 pm

Here's a link about the new Japanese law allowing up to 345,000 foreign laborers into Japan.

https://www.apnews.com/f312b64eeaf2402d8f85733c35ce41bc

I imagine Japan could get 345,000 from Thailand, alone--forget about any other countries.

My TW has several male cousins who have worked for years in the agricultural industry in Korea. They're illegals and their employers have had to shuttle them around due to periodic raids from immigration. But none of the cousins want to come back to Thailand yet. BTW, they didn't use an agency, per se; someone in the village had a connection with a Korean outfit that needed labor. They had to buy their own plane ticket and pay a small fee to the village connection--not even remotely close to 200,000 baht. But no doubt the village connection got a spiff from the Korean boss.

In this way, a lot of Thai workers go to work overseas illegally without any agency being involved, just a de facto "agent."

Perhaps Japan holds more appeal over Korea; certainly sounds that way.

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